Guest guest Posted March 25, 2000 Report Share Posted March 25, 2000 hello, my name is jack...and i need some input/information on something that is bothering me. i recently was really seriously ill, and joined a group that was about people with simular illness's. lo......a lot were nurses and hospital workers, such as myself. and i found out after a little research, that the heart chakra can be the seat of autoimmune problems......a lite went off with me.........this was a christian list and noone but i was knowledgeable of kundalini. it has been a about 20 years since i had anything to do with k.y. so here i am........i have no fear with reinvestigating k.y. but i hope someone can help with the disease part of the chakras.....why do so many health care workers and people with hearts as big as all outdoors have problems with this chakra? with auto immunedisease problems in particular..... hangin tough.....jack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2000 Report Share Posted March 25, 2000 HI Jack, You are in a profession where you have the ability to really open up and love and learn what it means to flow. Whenever an individual is self involved, I, me, mine...it is very difficult to do this. So there are moments of compassion and love and moments of simply doing the job and not liking what is involved. Those who work around illness, who also get self involved, are wide open to taking on what others have. It may not happen over night but over a period of time it will show up because the individual is not conscious of the subtle workings of the spirit/creation world. Doctors die young, they burn themselves out...especially those who are moving from case to case without having that love and compassion for the patient. It is possible that the impersonality that is needed to do these professions can open the door. What is needed is detachment not impersonality, in detachment one can observe and remove the thoughts and emotions but the love is there and the compassion. When people are made non/people so that the individual can protect him/herself from attachment, something quite different happens. Then it is a case where the person is soon doing the work for money and security, the love and compassion go out the door and all of the feelings of I, me, mine enter into the picture. Are you having kundalini symptoms? Gloria john (jack) kidd wrote: > "john (jack) kidd" <blue > > hello, > my name is jack...and i need some input/information on something > that is bothering me. i recently was really seriously ill, and joined > a group that was about people with simular illness's. lo......a lot > were nurses and hospital workers, such as myself. and i found out > after a little research, that the heart chakra can be the seat of > autoimmune problems......a lite went off with me.........this was a > christian list and noone but i was knowledgeable of kundalini. > it has been a about 20 years since i had anything to do with k.y. so > here i am........i have no fear with reinvestigating k.y. but i hope > someone can help with the disease part of the chakras.....why do so > many health care workers and people with hearts as big as all > outdoors have problems with this chakra? with auto immunedisease > problems in particular..... > hangin tough.....jack > > ------ > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 2.9% > Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! > http://click./1/936/2/_/505222/_/953986399/ > ------ > > "OUR DESTINY IS TO BE HAPPY" > - Yogi Bhajan > > You can UNSUBSCRIBE from this list at the ONElist Member Center (My ONElist), or send mail to > Kundaliniyoga- > NO UNSUBSCRIBE REQUESTS TO THE LIST PLEASE! > WEB SITE: kundalini yoga > > KUNDALINI YOGA ON-LINE TRAINING. Details from > kundalini yogaclasses.html > > Sponsored by YOGA TECHNOLOGY - Popular publishers since 1988 of books on Kundalini Yoga and Meditation. > -- Enter The Silence to know God Accept life as the teacher Gloria Joy Greco e-mail me at: dennisgloria visit my homepage & internet retreat at: http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2000 Report Share Posted March 25, 2000 HI Jack, You are in a profession where you have the ability to really open up and love and learn what it means to flow. Whenever an individual is self involved, I, me, mine...it is very difficult to do this. So there are moments of compassion and love and moments of simply doing the job and not liking what is involved. Those who work around illness, who also get self involved, are wide open to taking on what others have. It may not happen over night but over a period of time it will show up because the individual is not conscious of the subtle workings of the spirit/creation world. Doctors die young, they burn themselves out...especially those who are moving from case to case without having that love and compassion for the patient. It is possible that the impersonality that is needed to do these professions can open the door. What is needed is detachment not impersonality, in detachment one can observe and remove the thoughts and emotions but the love is there and the compassion. When people are made non/people so that the individual can protect him/herself from attachment, something quite different happens. Then it is a case where the person is soon doing the work for money and security, the love and compassion go out the door and all of the feelings of I, me, mine enter into the picture. Are you having kundalini symptoms? Gloria gloria, yes, i have a working knowledge of the kundalini in action.........i am/was a follower/seeker of the paths of hatha, kriya, karma, kundalina, and tantric........and yes, reached bliss with tantra...........was at least to the heart chakra and higher but not to crown, but that was years ago.........i left the paths for the following reason,...........at that time, there was no teachers/gurus in my area, so all i had was book knowledge, but was young enough and foolish at times, in retrospect, in that i found the teachings easy enough to follow and bein impatient, went ahead......some very funny, and very scary things are some of my experiences......like the time at church (religious science) i was discussin a beutiful woman's aura with a male friend and i said notice the red around her loins.........and said i thought it was because she was a sexy lady.........he laughed and said jack, look again, she just had surgery...........yes, i have had some symtoms. i have had solicited o.b.e.'s. i still do. i found out the biggest lie perpetuated on people is that death is a final thing........not true. and living is the hardest thing to do........dieing is easy. i found out that i have/had the healin touch..........at the time i was enrolled in a nursin school with the idea of becoming a nurse antithesiologist..........and some nurse's who was my friends found out about a freinds wife who had final stage hodgkins disease, and on the "death ward", when i went to see her........and she became well.......her doctor told her she was rejecting death, and she told him, i am accepting life.........then the nurse's started sneakin me into the death ward.........to talk of "do my magic" as some of them said on some of the patients who showed a desire to live. i meet a woman i shall call "clee" there. she had cancer of the stomach.....terminal........and in a matter of a couple of visits, she was up and about.......i even talked to the doctor's.......they hoo hooed, and went there way. suffice it to say, about 18 months later she had a major replapse.......and at that time told me not to hold her here anymore.........i realized then that it was the strenth of my belief holdin her here......i was stunned.......she was in a situation with her husband of 30 plus years and she wanted out.......divorce was not a option.....so the only option left was death.........she could not stomach him anymore. i turned away and never looked back.........it was a hard lesson to learn......i went into a hospital to work.........and again was stunned at the unspoken pain, the earth bound spirits that was roamin the halls........the silent screams.................i had to learn real quick how to put my shields up so to speak......to do other wise was to go crazy from it all. i did what i could at times, if someone wanted help, i tried by showin them how to help theirselves........tried to help the disembodied ones go to the light........ i feel that most of the people that i meet that work in hospitals (27 years) are decent carin people......not in for the money, but are carin people.........they are there because of the fact they care.......are caretakers in the first degree.......true some doctors are in it for the money, but not the nurses and tech's..........the are the grunts, or infantry, if you will, not the generals. maybe the question i ask can not be answered .......but i cannot except that some of the most carin, kindest people i know are hard hearted.......includin my self. i can/could not do it all.....and neither could they........ > i am left with only the fact that it must be karma, for god is not mocked, you reap what you sow...........if not now, then later..........if you are a son of a bitch in this lifetime, you must pay retribution in anouther life.......that is all i have left.... i know i was a vikin at one time, and a dam good one.......(smile) as it took about 7 lifetimes to even it all out.......i lived by the sword......and i died by the sword.....i took and had taken from me. thanx for lettin me rant and rave........venting is good for the soul..... hangin tough.......the old hippy, jack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2000 Report Share Posted March 25, 2000 jack wrote: > "jack" <blue > > HI Jack, > You are in a profession where you have the ability to really open up and love and learn what it means > to flow. Whenever an individual is self involved, I, me, mine...it is very difficult to do this. So there > are moments of compassion and love and moments of simply doing the job and not liking what is involved. > Those who work around illness, who also get self involved, are wide open to taking on what others have. It > may not happen over night but over a period of time it will show up because the individual is not > conscious of the subtle workings of the spirit/creation world. Doctors die young, they burn themselves > out...especially those who are moving from case to case without having that love and compassion for the > patient. It is possible that the impersonality that is needed to do these professions can open the door. > What is needed is detachment not impersonality, in detachment one can observe and remove the thoughts and > emotions but the love is there and the compassion. When people are made non/people so that the individual > can protect him/herself from attachment, something quite different happens. Then it is a case where the > person is soon doing the work for money and security, the love and compassion go out the door and all of > the feelings of I, me, mine enter into the picture. Are you having kundalini symptoms? Gloria > > gloria, > yes, i have a working knowledge of the kundalini in action.........i am/was a follower/seeker of the paths of hatha, kriya, karma, kundalina, and tantric........and yes, reached bliss with tantra...........was at least to the heart chakra and higher but not to crown, but that was years ago.........i left the paths for the following reason,...........at that time, there was no teachers/gurus in my area, so all i had was book knowledge, but was young enough and foolish at times, in retrospect, in that i found the teachings easy enough to follow and bein impatient, went ahead......some very funny, and very scary things are some of my experiences......like the time at church (religious science) i was discussin a beutiful woman's aura with a male friend and i said notice the red around her loins.........and said i thought it was because she was a sexy lady.........he laughed and said jack, look again, she just had surgery...........yes, i have had some symtoms. i have had solicited o.b.e.'s. i still do. i found out the biggest lie perpetuated on people is that death is a final thing........not true. and living is the hardest thing to do........dieing is easy. Death is also a part of life, death of self comes first and then the dieing which is the easy part. What has been missing in eastern teaching here in the west is the preparation for the training which is detachment. One must become the witness and allow spirit to work through things so that the head is out of the picture. Even what you describe in the above paragraph is you were bright and thought you understood it but since it is not about the mind...one really has to find the way to get beyond it which can be a trick for the western mentality. > > i found out that i have/had the healin touch..........at the time i was enrolled in a nursin school with the idea of becoming a nurse antithesiologist..........and some nurse's who was my friends found out about a freinds wife who had final stage hodgkins disease, and on the "death ward", when i went to see her........and she became well.......her doctor told her she was rejecting death, and she told him, i am accepting life.........then the nurse's started sneakin me into the death ward.........to talk of "do my magic" as some of them said on some of the patients who showed a desire to live. i meet a woman i shall call "clee" there. she had cancer of the stomach.....terminal........and in a matter of a couple of visits, she was up and about.......i even talked to the doctor's.......they hoo hooed, and went there way. suffice it to say, about 18 months later she had a major replapse.......and at that time told me not to hold her here anymore.........i realized then that it was the strenth of my belief holdin her here......i was stunned.......she was in a situation with her husband of 30 plus years and she wanted out.......divorce was not a option.....so the only option left was death.........she could not stomach him anymore. This can be a problem for folks who are natural healers due to their faith system but don't have that consciousness of Divine Will yet. I learned quite young that if someone was going to die they didn't need me around. When I was a young girl my grandmother was on her death bed with everyone around saying their goodbye's and I had a sister in Germany, we lived in Virginia City Nevada. Anyway, I could see grandma way down in this tunnel in her eyes. I spontaneously said...grandma, hold on, Jeanne is on her way from Germany. I felt her follow me back into her body so I literally drew her back in. I wasn't trying to do anything of the sort but it happened anyway. Grandma lived three or four more years. When I knew it was her time to go I actually told my father that I felt she would go when I went on a trip to Mexico, I told him I could stay home if he wished but I kind of thought Grandma would want me to go. He agreed that she would want me to have a good time. But that wasn't what I meant at all. I needed to be gone so that I didn't give her energy when she was shutting down. I am acutely aware of this now and when I'm working with people who are preparing to go we talk about how easy it is to make this transference so that it is up to them to work this out through the individuals soul intention so that when it is time it is just letting go and moving on. So you can be a blessing and a curse for someone who is actually working to get out of that body. > i turned away and never looked back.........it was a hard lesson to learn......i went into a hospital to work.........and again was stunned at the unspoken pain, the earth bound spirits that was roamin the halls........the silent screams.................i had to learn real quick how to put my shields up so to speak......to do other wise was to go crazy from it all. i did what i could at times, if someone wanted help, i tried by showin them how to help theirselves........tried to help the disembodied ones go to the light........ Great place to have this training isn't it? > > i feel that most of the people that i meet that work in hospitals (27 years) are decent carin people......not in for the money, but are carin people.........they are there because of the fact they care.......are caretakers in the first degree.......true some doctors are in it for the money, but not the nurses and tech's..........the are the grunts, or infantry, if you will, not the generals. > > maybe the question i ask can not be answered .......but i cannot except that some of the most carin, kindest people i know are hard hearted.......includin my self. i can/could not do it all.....and neither could they........ No certainly not, but when you are in that position as a way of life you have to be very conscious spiritually to 1...not take on from others 2...not interfere in the individuals soul intention...3 have the ability to know the difference and work in Divine Will. From our conversation the people you work with are deeply caring and loving folks who probably fall into the first situation more often then they would like to recognize. Then the second situation comes up if you actually became attached to someone who is saying I don't want to die because he/she is not connecting up to the soul awareness, this would be like walking a very narrow line with perfect detachment in order to stay on the line. I often have people come and ask me to heal them and have worked with people in preparation for going over quite frequently. My first responce is that spirit will do what it does which has nothing to do with me, it is always between that soul and his/her Higher Self to make that decision. What the individual really needs help with his learning how to accept and surrender into the moment, then whatever happens is a blessing because he/she will connect up to that bliss consciousness. One person had liver cancer which had spread pretty much through her body. She had months to live. I knew her from the past when she learned meditation many years ago. Although she had the ability to meditate she had given up on it because she felt she left the path from her decisions. When we came together again she asked if I could help her. I told her I could help her get clear and accept God's Will ...whatever that was, but not to think that it meant she would be healed or any thing that she wanted at the present moment. She had choosen not to go to the traditional medical treatments until a few months earlier. Those were out of the picture and she was very sick. So we worked on detachment and observing her body like she was watching a movie. Once she connected into this, the pain and discomfort was gone for the biggest part of a year. She was going to mass daily, going to lunch, back driving her car, enjoying her family. She had learned to accept whatever would come down one moment at a time. I worked with her giving what I call light transfusions, which she was clear that it was up to her soul working with Divine Will for her to make the decisions how it was to be used, it may just be to give her sometime to get herself prepared to leave or it could be to heal, that wasn't something I got involved with one way or the other. As the disease progressed which created this huge liver she noticed that her body begin to wretch and she would wake up like she was in terrible pain. She didn't have pain but her body was wretching. She went to the doctor who said you have to be on morphine and your body is in great pain, I don't know how you have convinced yourself your not in pain but you are, trust me. He had hospice come in to take care of her. Once she was on the morphine she asked me to come to see her. She said...now what do I do, all I want to do is sleep. I guess they just put you to sleep now, is that what is next? I said...who knows, lets work on your detachment again. Perhaps you can witness your body enough to really detach from the morphine as well, remember you are not this body, although it is a part of you, you as the True Self is beyond this. Three days later she called and said I'm ready to go to lunch, I'm starved. She was a walking example of letting go and total faith in God, her whole family and friends came to her side and had their lives changed in this. The day before she died she got up out of bed and told her husband that people were going to be coming to the funeral and she wanted the house picked up. He kept standing in her way trying to get her back to bed. She said...Bill, your pushing me, I know what I'm doing. He moved aside and let her do her thing. She passed in her sleep. When she ran into the doctors who gave her a couple of months max to live and they saw her out at lunch and happy as can be, they took a double take. All because she found that source within and worked with it. This is what it is all about. Don't you agree? > > > > i am left with only the fact that it must be karma, for god is not mocked, you reap what you sow...........if not now, then later..........if you are a son of a bitch in this lifetime, you must pay retribution in anouther life.......that is all i have left.... You have to consider one other thing. You may have agreed to be used for Divine Will which can also mean taking on what would appear to be mass karma to relieve the suffering so that in this process your battery runs down, this would account for the immune system becoming weak. When I'm in the hospital I have seen this happen with folks the energy is passing back and forth, over years as you say the etheric body which is where health comes from becomes less energized. What I would suggest is that the medical profession have a three months on and a month off to recharge as a policy. This isn't practical is it in this system we live but in a more conscious environment we might find it necessary to keep the health workers healthy. i know i was a vikin at one time, and a dam good one.......(smile) as it took about 7 lifetimes to even it all out.......i lived by the sword......and i died by the sword.....i took and had taken from me. > thanx for lettin me rant and rave........venting is good for the soul..... > hangin tough.......the old hippy, jack Yes, that old hippy would love to step in and take the sins of the world on his shoulders, I can see you do that it goes with that enthusiam for life and change. God speed. Gloria > > > > > ------ > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 2.9% > Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. 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Guest guest Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 Hello I have had a break from Flexible Spine exercise, which seemed to be having a moving effect - first my right knee, then my right hip, then my right kidney. My kidney became inflamed so had to have antibiotics. I am wondering whether to start all over again or would it be better to do another exercise set first. I am a beginner in kundalini yoga and without a teacher, so find the website invaluable, as well as the group. I notice that I have what seems to be a heart chakra problem - it is long standing and goes back a number of years. My heart area always feels as if there is a heavy weight on it. My numerology reading says I am soul of 6 with karma of 10. Can anyone out there advise me please. Sat Nam Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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