Guest guest Posted August 23, 2000 Report Share Posted August 23, 2000 Dear Gururattan Kaur: I was at Master's Touch 2 this year when Yogi Bhajan taught this meditation, and I am quite sure that the mantra is: Me within me is the purity. Me within me is the reality. Me within me is the grace. I am the master of the space. (No "The" to begin the first three lines) I always write down the mantras right after they are taught, and my memory of doing this meditation, as well as my notes, which I checked after reading your posting, agree on this. You might wish to check this with someone else who was there, of course, but this mantra really resonated with me, and I have a very strong memory of chanting this with the group (which agrees with my notes). Thanks! Sadhant Singh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2000 Report Share Posted August 24, 2000 curious... would forgetting the "THE" in front of that mantra make much difference if the meaning and the intent are the same? or is it the vibrational sound that matters... if this mantra was in Gurmukhi or Hindu would it not be just as effective? Love and Light Sat Nam Akire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2000 Report Share Posted August 24, 2000 Now.......whom is right???????Pls.clarifies this once and for alll.Thanks Lim - "Sadhant Singh" <kundaliniyoga <Kundaliniyoga > Thursday, August 24, 2000 10:23 AM LEO "I AM" MEDITATION TO BE THE SELF > Dear Gururattan Kaur: > > I was at Master's Touch 2 this year when Yogi Bhajan taught this > meditation, and I am quite sure that the mantra is: > > Me within me is the purity. > Me within me is the reality. > Me within me is the grace. > I am the master of the space. > > (No "The" to begin the first three lines) > > I always write down the mantras right after they are taught, and my > memory of doing this meditation, as well as my notes, which I checked > after reading your posting, agree on this. You might wish to check > this with someone else who was there, of course, but this mantra > really resonated with me, and I have a very strong memory of chanting > this with the group (which agrees with my notes). > > Thanks! > Sadhant Singh > > > > > "OUR DESTINY IS TO BE HAPPY" > - Yogi Bhajan > > You can UNSUBSCRIBE from this list at the ONElist Member Center (My ONElist), or send mail to > Kundaliniyoga- > NO UNSUBSCRIBE REQUESTS TO THE LIST PLEASE! > WEB SITE: kundalini yoga > > KUNDALINI YOGA ON-LINE TRAINING. Details from > kundalini yogaclasses.html > > Sponsored by YOGA TECHNOLOGY - Popular publishers since 1988 of books on Kundalini Yoga and Meditation. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2000 Report Share Posted August 24, 2000 but this discussion is funny.... mantras are music that takes us to that place of vision & clarity.....(as in music, so in life) everybody has there own music that vibrates with them.... only you will know what is right for you... patience...truth & compassion.... > > kslim99 [sMTP:kslim99] > Thursday, August 24, 2000 3:57 PM > Kundaliniyoga > Re: LEO "I AM" MEDITATION TO BE THE SELF > > Now.......whom is right???????Pls.clarifies this once and for alll.Thanks > Lim > > - > "Sadhant Singh" <kundaliniyoga > <Kundaliniyoga > > Thursday, August 24, 2000 10:23 AM > LEO "I AM" MEDITATION TO BE THE SELF > > > > Dear Gururattan Kaur: > > > > I was at Master's Touch 2 this year when Yogi Bhajan taught this > > meditation, and I am quite sure that the mantra is: > > > > Me within me is the purity. > > Me within me is the reality. > > Me within me is the grace. > > I am the master of the space. > > > > (No "The" to begin the first three lines) > > > > I always write down the mantras right after they are taught, and my > > memory of doing this meditation, as well as my notes, which I checked > > after reading your posting, agree on this. You might wish to check > > this with someone else who was there, of course, but this mantra > > really resonated with me, and I have a very strong memory of chanting > > this with the group (which agrees with my notes). > > > > Thanks! > > Sadhant Singh > > > > > > > > > > "OUR DESTINY IS TO BE HAPPY" > > - Yogi Bhajan > > > > You can UNSUBSCRIBE from this list at the ONElist Member Center (My > ONElist), or send mail to > > Kundaliniyoga- > > NO UNSUBSCRIBE REQUESTS TO THE LIST PLEASE! > > WEB SITE: kundalini yoga > > > > KUNDALINI YOGA ON-LINE TRAINING. Details from > > kundalini yogaclasses.html > > > > Sponsored by YOGA TECHNOLOGY - Popular publishers since 1988 of books on > Kundalini Yoga and Meditation. > > > > > > > > > > "OUR DESTINY IS TO BE HAPPY" > - Yogi Bhajan > > You can UNSUBSCRIBE from this list at the ONElist Member Center (My > ONElist), or send mail to > Kundaliniyoga- > NO UNSUBSCRIBE REQUESTS TO THE LIST PLEASE! > WEB SITE: kundalini yoga > > KUNDALINI YOGA ON-LINE TRAINING. Details from > kundalini yogaclasses.html > > Sponsored by YOGA TECHNOLOGY - Popular publishers since 1988 of books on > Kundalini Yoga and Meditation. > > > ___________________ IMPORTANT NOTICES: This message is intended only for the addressee. Please notify the sender by e-mail if you are not the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose, or distribute this message or its contents to any other person and any such actions may be unlawful. Banc of America Securities LLC("BAS") does not accept time sensitive, action-oriented messages or transaction orders, including orders to purchase or sell securities, via e-mail. BAS reserves the right to monitor and review the content of all messages sent to or from this e-mail address. Messages sent to or from this e-mail address may be stored on the BAS e-mail system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2000 Report Share Posted August 24, 2000 In regard to the mudra for the Leo, "I am" meditation, your description of the Venus lock is to place the right thumb over the left thumb with the other fingers alternately interlaced accordingly. The Venus Lock I have used is the right thumb (I am female) tip is placed just above the base of the thumb on the webbing between the thumb and index finger. The tip of the left thumb presses the fleshy mound at the base of the right thumb. Thumb positions are reversed for men. Please comment. I am confused. Sat Nam, Nirmal Kaur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2000 Report Share Posted August 24, 2000 i can not comment much on mantras and languages in which mantras are said, for i don't have formal training in any yogas or religions and moreover i don't speak hindi or sanskrit i think the mantras serve 2 purposes...one to bring balance to the chakras where the vibration matters and the second case is where in midst of mental turmoil, we could hold on to a personal mantra to calm us down... i use the *patience, truth, love* mantra where the meaning counts for me... i think everyone should have their own mantra that should be meaningful to them.... patience...truth & compassion.... > > LadyOStars [sMTP:LadyOStars] > Thursday, August 24, 2000 5:14 PM > Kundaliniyoga > Re: LEO "I AM" MEDITATION TO BE THE SELF > > curious... > > would forgetting the "THE" in front of that mantra make much difference > if the meaning and the intent are the same? > or is it the vibrational sound that matters... > > if this mantra was in Gurmukhi or Hindu would it not be just as effective? > > Love and Light > Sat Nam > Akire > > > "OUR DESTINY IS TO BE HAPPY" > - Yogi Bhajan > > You can UNSUBSCRIBE from this list at the ONElist Member Center (My > ONElist), or send mail to > Kundaliniyoga- > NO UNSUBSCRIBE REQUESTS TO THE LIST PLEASE! > WEB SITE: kundalini yoga > > KUNDALINI YOGA ON-LINE TRAINING. Details from > kundalini yogaclasses.html > > Sponsored by YOGA TECHNOLOGY - Popular publishers since 1988 of books on > Kundalini Yoga and Meditation. > > > ___________________ IMPORTANT NOTICES: This message is intended only for the addressee. Please notify the sender by e-mail if you are not the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose, or distribute this message or its contents to any other person and any such actions may be unlawful. Banc of America Securities LLC("BAS") does not accept time sensitive, action-oriented messages or transaction orders, including orders to purchase or sell securities, via e-mail. BAS reserves the right to monitor and review the content of all messages sent to or from this e-mail address. Messages sent to or from this e-mail address may be stored on the BAS e-mail system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2000 Report Share Posted August 24, 2000 Kundaliniyoga , "Madhavan, Sujith " > mantras are music that takes us to that place of vision & clarity.....(as in > music, so in life) > > everybody has there own music that vibrates with them.... only you will know > what is right for you... That is a lovely sentiment. Not to ruffle anybody's feathers, but I have some issues with it: 1. Yoga is a precise science, and every gesture (mudra), every posture (asana), every set (kriya), every mantra has a particular, carefully defined and specified effect. A master of yoga may have the right, even the responsibility to alter or create - but we as students and teachers (who are not masters) are better off following precise directions so that we get precise results. Note that this is one of the problems with hatha yoga as it is often practiced in this country - it is often haphazardly taught and the effects, therefore, are unpredictable. 2. The only master (that I know) of Kundalini yoga is Yogi Bhajan. We teachers of KY are committed to passing on his teachings as accurately as possible - getting the words right for a mantra is just as important as getting the sequence of asanas correct for a kriya: predictable effects follow from precise usage of the technology. If a student goes off and switches the sequence of postures around in a kriya, we have no idea what effect this will have. Altering a mantra is no different. Mantra is much more than music: it is a technology that uses a variety of tools, such as rhythm, vibration, sequence, meridian stimulation, meaning, and so forth, to achieve a particular effect. Adding a word would obviously alter most of these things, thereby changing the precise effect Yogi Bhajan was after when he taught it. 3. One of the points of doing this kind of work is to clear our internal blocks, get rid of karma, allow the energy within to flow freely - etc. A master has, by definition, done this work and knows the effects of his or her precise directions on us as students. Assuming that we are not masters, then by definition we are not perfectly clear. And so how can we truly know "what is right for you..." before we have mastered ourselves? The technology he provides gives us a path to self-mastery. I recommend achieving that using tools that are proven to work rather than taking a haphazard approach to one's personal practice and growth. Sat Nam! In the spirit of love and learning, Sadhant Singh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2000 Report Share Posted August 24, 2000 i am always concerned when people put excessive faith in one master, one religion, one god etc... we all are teachers and our ultimate teacher is within us...all yoga & meditation is there for us to find that teacher within us and have complete faith in that teacher... so my take is that listen to the masters & the teachers and finally go within and get in touch with your intuition to find the right answer. patience...truth & compassion.... ___________________ IMPORTANT NOTICES: This message is intended only for the addressee. Please notify the sender by e-mail if you are not the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose, or distribute this message or its contents to any other person and any such actions may be unlawful. Banc of America Securities LLC("BAS") does not accept time sensitive, action-oriented messages or transaction orders, including orders to purchase or sell securities, via e-mail. BAS reserves the right to monitor and review the content of all messages sent to or from this e-mail address. Messages sent to or from this e-mail address may be stored on the BAS e-mail system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2000 Report Share Posted August 24, 2000 Dear Sadhant Singh and friends, > Me within me is the purity. > Me within me is the reality. > Me within me is the grace. > I am the master of the space. > > (No "The" to begin the first three lines) Thanks so much for the correction. I got the mantra second hand, so I am glad for the precision. My thoughts on this discussion are Get the most accurate information and go with that. Then the best results are guarenteed. Do the best you can and don't get bent out of shape with slight imperfectons. Attitude counts for a lot. Then relax and enjoy the process, the mantra or the exercise. When we relax it is easier to tune into our inner master or intuition, which is the point of doing all this technology. Sat Nam, Gururattan Kaur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2000 Report Share Posted August 25, 2000 Kundaliniyoga , "Madhavan, Sujith " <smadhavan@b...> wrote: > > i am always concerned when people put excessive faith in one master, one > religion, one god etc... we all are teachers and our ultimate teacher is Something one of my teachers said has really come home to me in the last few years. It is fine to be a "spiritual window-shopper" for a while - that is how we find a path that really works for us. But at some point, to make significant progress, making a committment to a particular path will typically serve us better than flitting from one system to another. I spent years doing just that, flitting from one to another, and, in the long run, not making much progress - Kundalini yoga happens to be the path that really connects for me. I asked my teacher of that time why this particular stuff (and I had tried a lot of different approaches) worked so well, and she said that she felt the power of these tools came from their precision, which in turn stems from having been honed by many teachers over a long period of time. The analogy that we use, that yoga is a technology, is a good analogy. You don't have to know how it works, only that it does. You don't have to understand electricity or semi-conductor technology to use a computer - just plug it in and it works. But if you plug it into a 372-volt power system, or run Mac software on your Windows operating system - well, results may not be what you had hoped for. If you master the technology, you can, no doubt about it, build a computer which runs on 372 volts and runs Mac software under Windows. But until you reach that level of mastery, you are better off following the directions Note that KY is a huge system - thousands of kriyas, thousands of meditations - it is easy to personalize a practice to suit the needs of a particular person at a particular time. There is far more to the whole system than anybody could master in a single lifetime, given the idea that it takes 1000 days to master any given kriya. And, BTW, the committment is to the teachings - not the teacher. This is not about faith, nor a particular person, nor a religion. It is about a technology that works for many people, and all I'm saying is that we should try, to the best of our abilities, to maintain the precision of that technology. Love & light, Sadhant Singh PS: I checked with a number of people who attended that lecture, and they agree that the mantra in question starts with "Me". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2000 Report Share Posted August 25, 2000 i think i may have missed a very key element in all of this....that is * how evolved a person spiritually is * everybody comes in to this lifetime with a set of positive & negative qualities.... how young or how old a soul is, may determine the kind of learning or learning tools needed... patience...truth & compassion.... > > Sadhant Singh [sMTP:kundaliniyoga] > Friday, August 25, 2000 6:25 AM > Kundaliniyoga > Re: LEO "I AM" MEDITATION TO BE THE SELF > > Kundaliniyoga , "Madhavan, Sujith " > <smadhavan@b...> wrote: > > > > i am always concerned when people put excessive faith in one > master, one > > religion, one god etc... we all are teachers and our ultimate > teacher is > > Something one of my teachers said has really come home to me in the > last few years. It is fine to be a "spiritual window-shopper" for a > while - that is how we find a path that really works for us. But at > some point, to make significant progress, making a committment to a > particular path will typically serve us better than flitting from one > system to another. > > I spent years doing just that, flitting from one to another, and, in > the long run, not making much progress - Kundalini yoga happens to be > the path that really connects for me. I asked my teacher of that > time why this particular stuff (and I had tried a lot of different > approaches) worked so well, and she said that she felt the power of > these tools came from their precision, which in turn stems from > having been honed by many teachers over a long period of time. > > The analogy that we use, that yoga is a technology, is a good > analogy. You don't have to know how it works, only that it does. > You don't have to understand electricity or semi-conductor technology > to use a computer - just plug it in and it works. But if you plug it > into a 372-volt power system, or run Mac software on your Windows > operating system - well, results may not be what you had hoped for. > If you master the technology, you can, no doubt about it, build a > computer which runs on 372 volts and runs Mac software under > Windows. But until you reach that level of mastery, you are better > off following the directions > > Note that KY is a huge system - thousands of kriyas, thousands of > meditations - it is easy to personalize a practice to suit the needs > of a particular person at a particular time. There is far more to > the whole system than anybody could master in a single lifetime, > given the idea that it takes 1000 days to master any given kriya. > > And, BTW, the committment is to the teachings - not the teacher. > This is not about faith, nor a particular person, nor a religion. It > is about a technology that works for many people, and all I'm saying > is that we should try, to the best of our abilities, to maintain the > precision of that technology. > > Love & light, > Sadhant Singh > > PS: I checked with a number of people who attended that lecture, and > they agree that the mantra in question starts with "Me". > > > > > "OUR DESTINY IS TO BE HAPPY" > - Yogi Bhajan > > You can UNSUBSCRIBE from this list at the ONElist Member Center (My > ONElist), or send mail to > Kundaliniyoga- > NO UNSUBSCRIBE REQUESTS TO THE LIST PLEASE! > WEB SITE: kundalini yoga > > KUNDALINI YOGA ON-LINE TRAINING. Details from > kundalini yogaclasses.html > > Sponsored by YOGA TECHNOLOGY - Popular publishers since 1988 of books on > Kundalini Yoga and Meditation. > > > ___________________ IMPORTANT NOTICES: This message is intended only for the addressee. Please notify the sender by e-mail if you are not the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose, or distribute this message or its contents to any other person and any such actions may be unlawful. Banc of America Securities LLC("BAS") does not accept time sensitive, action-oriented messages or transaction orders, including orders to purchase or sell securities, via e-mail. BAS reserves the right to monitor and review the content of all messages sent to or from this e-mail address. Messages sent to or from this e-mail address may be stored on the BAS e-mail system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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