karma

[Guest guest]

I have restled with this issue alot myself. I read alot from individuals who

seem to be knowledeable in "universal law" though whatever situations in their

life that led them to persue this subject.

 

I believe that "GOD", or higher power you belive in may have a plan for your

life because of the lessons you still need to learn. However, I believe you can

learn these lessons in more ways than getting back what you have done in this

lifetime or others. I think you can transcend it by spirtual practise and "fast

track" to a higher conscienceness than by living out your Karmic debt. In other

words the hard, long way; or an easier, less bumpy one.

 

On that note forever. I wholeheartedly believe that if you want something, give

it. Which is so well stated in many KY books. Love, wealth, joy, peace, anything

is yours if you can let others have it from you. Now THATS Karma i can like

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Sat Nam Sadhant,

 

Friday, December 08, 2000, 1:03:46 AM, you wrote:

 

>> Here we found a very valuable idea: karma doesn't apply to our Soul.

 

SS> I'm not sure I would interpret it that way, in that I see us as

SS> carrying karma from lifetime to lifetime, which implies, I think,

SS> that the soul is the mechanism that carries our karma between

SS> reincarnations.

 

Could you please tell me more about that mechanism?

My thoughts about this issue are:

When we die we carry with us our other bodies and ego also. Our karma

remain stored in our egos, the mental and emotional bodies.

Karma is a physical law that applies only to our denser bodies.

If self-realization really is to fully express the purposes of our Soul

through our personalities then our Soul is free from any bondage, from

any karma. I really don't think It carries the burden of our egos. It

simply IS and we, as egos, must learn to consciously express this IS.

 

>> Personally, I think that self-realization is liberation. Liberation

>> has many meanings but in terms of self-realization I feel that it

>> means the ability to flow our energies, well oriented, so that we

SS> can

>> have a balanced development towards our own evolution. Evolution is

>> to gain by some effort ( to conquer) our latent qualities, that is,

SS> our

>> Soul qualities. In others words, evolution would be to get conscious

 

SS> I do agree with what you are saying here, but I think the key word

SS> is conscious. Most of us are asleep, most of the time. We are on

SS> cruise control, on automatic pilot, primarily doing things (and

SS> everything we do is an action, every action has a karmic consequence)

SS> without thinking about them, or why we do things.

 

Here we come back to free will. Freedom isn't so free as we think

because it is conditioned to its effects! Yes, we always have the

freedom to make our choices but we can't escape from the effects of our

choices. Then we can conclude that there is some determinism in the

universe.

Back to that example I gave in my last email. To boil a

glass of water you *have to* use any kind of heating device to get

what you want. Things are as some laws oblige them to be. We are

limited by the universal order, by the the nature laws. Taking all in all

we are part of the nature, we are not above nor beyond nature.

 

I am writing all that just to exemplify that we live in a world - and

in an evolutionary stage - that we have *some* free will and we are

conditioned to *some* determinism.

 

SS> I know I do that far too much of the time - but less than when I

SS> began to practice meditation & yoga...

 

Great! Here we can see a kind of determinism. The more we practice

meditation, yoga or any kind of spiritual practice that includes

self-knowledge, the more we gain free will because we learn to be

responsible for what we do instead of looking up to the sky and ask

for some explanations from God. "Oh My! Why does it always happens to

me?"

The poor guy gives place to the wise guy!

 

SS> For me, it is clear that practicing the yoga/meditation skills is

SS> supremely important. When I have just finished a powerful sadhana,

SS> my mind is clear and light, and I can do what I know is right without

SS> thinking about it. But later, when my mind starts acting up, and

SS> throwing out the endless "but if this", but if that", then I fail to

SS> do what I should be doing, then I feel cloudy and confused, then I am

SS> not sure what to do because I know my ego is playing it's games, and

SS> the only thing I know to do then is run off and meditate, and that

SS> isn't always an option.

 

Exactly the same happens to me. But one thing I already learned: the

spiritual practices have a cumulative effect. The more I do them the

more my ego likes to serve "our" Soul purposes. (I can clearly see me

and my ego. He, my ego, still doesn't like very much to do KY&meditation,

but I know what's better for us.)

 

SS> I see knowing, in the sense I think you refer to above, not as

SS> knowing in the logical "if-then" way I usually think, all controlled

SS> by my ego, and my experiences, but knowing in the intuitive sense,

SS> where all that thinking stuff doesn't even come into play. But I am

SS> not there very much. I need more practice...

 

So do I.

 

 

Love&Sat Nam,

Gabyclau

claudiagiovani

[Guest guest]

Sat Nam Deb,

 

Thanks for joining us.

 

Friday, December 08, 2000, 11:09:30 AM, you wrote:

 

d> I believe that "GOD", or higher power you belive in may have a plan

d> for your life because of the lessons you still need to learn.

 

Ok. So God has a plan for my life. Is it different from the plan He

has for you? How can we know what plan is it?

If He has a plan for me I'd be glad to follow it as fast as I can, but

I need to know what he is planning for me.

In other words, how do I recognize my lessons?

Let me tell also that I believe in a very loving God. I really don't

believe He will ever teach me lessons by punishing me or ruining my

life. I really don't believe in a Celestial Court judging us all the

time.

 

d> On that note forever. I wholeheartedly believe that if you want

d> something, give it. Which is so well stated in many KY books. Love,

d> wealth, joy, peace, anything is yours if you can let others have it

d> from you. Now THATS Karma i can like

 

Well, I am able to give just what I have. I don't like when I am sad,

for instance. But I want to be happy. When I am feeling sad, how can I give

happiness to receive it back? When I am sick, how can I cure someone

to be cured?

 

 

 

Love&Sat Nam

Gabyclau

claudiagiovani