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Sat Nam, All.

 

A few questions:

 

1. Could anyone tell me or point me to a source that could discuss the flow

of energy in the White Tantric context? I'm looking for more in-depth

discussion than "the energy flows diagonally": the role of the

participants' energy, the "filtering" process, how the strength of YB's

subtle body can impact the experience... to begin with. Where did White

Tantra come from? I have heard it was "given" to YB. If this is the case,

did Red Tantra and Black Tantra have names prior to the naming of White

Tantra? It seems the lines separating these tantric "types" and kundalini

yoga are fairly arbitrary.

 

2. Is there a resource that catalogues all of the

poses/exercises/meditations (not sets) of KY and includes modifications and

benefits? I would also be interested in critiques of the poses, as some of

them seem to be "inadvisable" (such as the knee projecting out past the toe

in archer pose).

 

3. I am curious to hear from people who practice KY, are aware of the

connection between KY mantras/prayers/etc. to sikhism, but do not follow

the Sikh path. How do you reconcile your practice with a practice that is

heavily influenced by an organized religion? You're welcome to email me

directly if you prefer not to post publicly.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Nina.

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Whoa girl, that's a lot of questions! Maybe you'll find some of it, but

generally I don't think it's all laid out so clearly.

 

 

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Wednesday, March 07, 2001 7:25 AM

Kundaliniyoga

Qs: Tantric Energy, KY pose catalogue,

Sikhism/KY

 

 

Sat Nam, All.

 

A few questions:

 

1. Could anyone tell me or point me to a source that could discuss the flow

of energy in the White Tantric context? I'm looking for more in-depth

discussion than "the energy flows diagonally": the role of the

participants' energy, the "filtering" process, how the strength of YB's

subtle body can impact the experience... to begin with. Where did White

Tantra come from? I have heard it was "given" to YB. If this is the case,

did Red Tantra and Black Tantra have names prior to the naming of White

Tantra? It seems the lines separating these tantric "types" and kundalini

yoga are fairly arbitrary.

 

I have not yet had the opportunity to practice white tantra, though my

husband has three times. I would say though, in my opinion, that if you

really want to know try an inward journey on the subject. It is about what

is really happening, and with wordless experiences such as that, trying to

put mental ideas and words to it all tends to take one out of the

experience. I know that it is fun to and can make it seem more real to

some, but I suggest becoming familiar with the inner reality of it. How

much does, "the energy flows diagonally" really mean if you have not

experienced that?

 

On the other hand there is Jnana Yoga, which is yoga of the mind. You might

be fond of it. Try _Vasistha's Yoga_ or the concise version, _The Yoga

Vasistha_, generally carried by Borders books if you are curious about it.

It sort of turns and blows out your mind.

 

 

2. Is there a resource that catalogues all of the

poses/exercises/meditations (not sets) of KY and includes modifications and

benefits? I would also be interested in critiques of the poses, as some of

them seem to be "inadvisable" (such as the knee projecting out past the toe

in archer pose).

 

I don't think there is. The resource I am familiar with for such things is

the golden chain of teachers and students. Also, as I have practiced over

time I find that I become more perceptive of what the exercises are doing

energetically.

 

 

3. I am curious to hear from people who practice KY, are aware of the

connection between KY mantras/prayers/etc. to sikhism, but do not follow

the Sikh path. How do you reconcile your practice with a practice that is

heavily influenced by an organized religion? You're welcome to email me

directly if you prefer not to post publicly.

 

Well, I think the answer to this question can have many aspects. For one, I

have encountered varying definitions of Sikhism. There is a book about it

at sikhnet which I've looked at. Also, my teacher has told me that a Sikh

is anyone who seeks the truth. Also, it is said of the Sanskrit language

that the words are vibrations of the actual things. So, when you chant,

"Krishna", He is dancing on your tongue. I assume that gurmuki is similar

in that point. That would be a reason for people of any faith to use these

languages for meditation and getting in touch with the divine. Another

aspect is, well, it works. That's what I've come down to. I practiced a

full morning sadhana with my teacher in Buffalo and was so moved by Japji.

Eventually I got the daily banis on tape and a nitnam book and for a while,

about a year, I chanted japji daily. It was always mysterious to me exactly

why, but it just made me feel so good I kept up. Then it just trailed off

for me, but I still think longingly of it and I'm sure I'll do it again. It

was contradictory to what I was following religiously at the time, since I

was practicing Krishna Consciousness with my husband (his very natural

calling). Now, it could have a lot to do with translation, but the common

way of viewing the two religions says that Krishna consciousness is personal

and Sikhism is impersonal, thus termed "mayavadi". I don't want to trudge

into this territory because I don't really agree that one is right and the

other wrong, or that they are even all that different. But, just for the

sake of example I am sharing this that I believed at the time. The point is

that even though the two religions could be viewed as oppositional by some,

especially by most ISKCON (International Society for Krishna Consciousness)

devotees, I continued with the practice of Japji just because it was

beautiful and made my heart swell. I should also mention on the note of the

two religions that Guru Nanak and Lord Chaitanya (the founding father of

chanting Hare Krishna) are said to have met and had an ecstatic kirtan

together once. Also, Yogi Bhajan thought very well of Srila Prabhupada, the

man who brought Krishna Consciousness to the west.

 

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Nina.

 

Your welcome, I hope I was of some help. You put a lot of questions out

here. I feel a lot of energy in them. I encourage you to look within as

well. All the answers are there too, probably in much more complete form.

 

 

Love Always,

littlebird Leslie

AKA Guru Chiter Kaur

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I really think you need to take some classes by a certified teacher. ( It

doesn't sound like you are right now). I am not a sikh, but I am a teacher of

KY. I was taught that Sikhism is a lifestyle not a religion. ( that is what

our sikh teachers told us in our training). I feel KY helps me to deal with

anything life throws at me. It has made a tremendous difference in my life,

and the life of my students.

Sat Nam,

Siri Ram K.

 

 

 

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Dear Nina,

 

It does not bother me that KY is associated with Sikhism - it is a

technology that in my experience works for the individual. I see the

mountain having many paths to the top - all different, but the final

destination is the same. Practising KY does not obligate me to embracing

the beliefs of any one system - it just helps me along my own path, and

for that I am exceedingly grateful.

 

Blessings,

Avtar K

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