Knee pain after KY session

April 27, 2001

Hope several of our experts here can advise me about something: About a

month ago I was practicing KY exercises that included crow squats and frog

pose. The next day my right knee was very painful when I walked down a

flight of stairs. The pain has not lessened, and now I feel it both walking

up and down stairs.

On my father's side of the family, everyone gets arthritis in their knees by

the time they reach their 70s. I have many years to go before I reach that

age! I have felt the occasional knee twinge during other hatha yoga classes

over the past few years, particularly in bridge pose, but nothing much.

A hatha yoga teacher told me that, in her opinion, the KY crow and frog

poses put the knees in an unnatural and possible jeopardizing position. I

don't know anything about anatomy so I can't judge one way or another. All

I know is that my knee has been paining me relentlessly.

Any suggestions - please? I started drinking Yogi Tea's Joint Comfort

herbal tea yesterday in the hopes that this will help. I am using a heating

pad for about 1/2 hour at night, as well.

Thanks very much!

Blessings,

Jiwan Mukta Kaur

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April 27, 2001

Hi Jiwan, list-

Regarding knee pain- I have also heard that the KY exercises

mentioned in previous posts are not a good idea for people with troubled

knees. The KY version of the archer pose also has the shin

extending forward of vertical- knee out over big toe- which

I was taught was not ideal for the knee joint. I do find that

the KY version engages the muscles in my thigh and knee

much more actively than the hatha yoga version, so I do it mindfully

(since I am not currently having knee problems).

I don't find it necessary to avoid poses that cause some people

problems, if they don't cause me problems. I find that

nearly ever pose is wrong for somebody, and a basic goal/outcome

of asana practice is the development of personal physical

wisdom and physical intuition.

I have had arthritic knees in the past, and bringing down my

body weight and avoiding daily wear of even moderate

shoe heels (less than 2 inches)

promptly resolved the knee pain. I think if I

put on 20 lbs and regularly wore even medium height heels,

my knee pain would promptly return- it would simply

be more stress on the joints than mine are constitutionally

able to bear.

Ardas Kaur

April 27, 2001

I know what you are talking about when it comes to frog pose and as much as

I love Kundalini Yoga, this pose is not the best if you do have a tendency

to have knee problems. Because of the position of the feet, 1st position

for all you ballet enthusiasts, the knee joints are actually twisted while

you are bending and straightening your legs. If the strength is not there

to begin with, injuries can happen.

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JiwanMukta Kaur [jiwanmukta_kaur]

Friday, April 27, 2001 8:12 AM

Kundaliniyoga

Knee pain after KY session

Hope several of our experts here can advise me about something: About a

month ago I was practicing KY exercises that included crow squats and frog

pose. The next day my right knee was very painful when I walked down a

flight of stairs. The pain has not lessened, and now I feel it both walking

up and down stairs.

On my father's side of the family, everyone gets arthritis in their knees by

the time they reach their 70s. I have many years to go before I reach that

age! I have felt the occasional knee twinge during other hatha yoga classes

over the past few years, particularly in bridge pose, but nothing much.

A hatha yoga teacher told me that, in her opinion, the KY crow and frog

poses put the knees in an unnatural and possible jeopardizing position. I

don't know anything about anatomy so I can't judge one way or another. All

I know is that my knee has been paining me relentlessly.

Any suggestions - please? I started drinking Yogi Tea's Joint Comfort

herbal tea yesterday in the hopes that this will help. I am using a heating

pad for about 1/2 hour at night, as well.

Thanks very much!

Blessings,

Jiwan Mukta Kaur

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April 27, 2001

Dear fellow knee-pain sufferers:

Perhaps it depends on the type of knee problem and the knees in

question. I've had knee problems all my life (primarily cartilage-

related), but since I started doing frogs on a regular basis, my knee

problems have diminished. They still get sore from time to time, but

it seems less frequent and less severe.

Turmeric is very helpful, I find. Also, anyone with tendencies

toward joint-structure problems and/or osteoarthritis should look

into the latest research on glucosamine sulfate, which, particularly

in combination with chondroitin 4- and 6-sulfates shows significant

improvements in symptoms (that is, pain relief and imflammation) as

well as improved structure & function, improved ability to build

cartilage, increased blood supply and more antioxidant protection for

joints. This is a followup study to those using N-acetylglucosamine,

which is effective, but not as effective as glucosamine sulfate

(these are not pharmaceuticals, but nutritional supplements)

Many blessings,

Sadhant

April 27, 2001

There's a wonderful article about knees in this month's issue of Yoga Journal.

Included are some good suggestions on proper alignment in

various asanas.

I ruined my knees 25 years ago while training to run marathons. I was unable to

walk without pain for several years. I began practicing

hatha yoga and believe that it is what has kept me on my feet. I'm able to

walk 15-20 miles a week now.

I have found ice packs to be soothing and healing when my knees do become sore.

They can be a bit uncomfortable at first, but one gets

used to them quickly. I'd be interested to hear of more healing therapies for

knees.

Many blessings to you all,

Charlotte

Sadhant Singh wrote:

> Dear fellow knee-pain sufferers:

>

> Perhaps it depends on the type of knee problem and the knees in

> question. I've had knee problems all my life (primarily cartilage-

> related), but since I started doing frogs on a regular basis, my knee

> problems have diminished. They still get sore from time to time, but

> it seems less frequent and less severe.

>

> Turmeric is very helpful, I find. Also, anyone with tendencies

> toward joint-structure problems and/or osteoarthritis should look

> into the latest research on glucosamine sulfate, which, particularly

> in combination with chondroitin 4- and 6-sulfates shows significant

> improvements in symptoms (that is, pain relief and imflammation) as

> well as improved structure & function, improved ability to build

> cartilage, increased blood supply and more antioxidant protection for

> joints. This is a followup study to those using N-acetylglucosamine,

> which is effective, but not as effective as glucosamine sulfate

> (these are not pharmaceuticals, but nutritional supplements)

>

> Many blessings,

> Sadhant

>

> "OUR DESTINY IS TO BE HAPPY"

> - Yogi Bhajan

>

> You can UNSUBSCRIBE from this list at the eGroups Member Center (My Groups),

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> Kundaliniyoga-

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>

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>

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Chakras, Womens' Empowerment. Meditation & Mantra CDs.

>

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April 27, 2001

In a message dated 4/27/2001 10:57:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

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