Lower back pain

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Hi, my name is Cameron and i just joined the list a little while ago. Since

marching band season (from last september to november), i have expeirecned

lower back pain. I think the combined weight of the drums we had to carry,

plus my heavy backpack this school year, mainly contributed to the problem.

I had been fine up until these last two weeks. I went to see a doctor and

all he did was say that it was probably inflamed and perscribed for me to

take 600mg of motrin 3 times a day. That combined with a muscle relaxant he

prescribed. I have taken at one to two motrin a day for the past 5 days and

have yet to fill the prescription for the muscle relaxant. This is because

i neccisarily think that too much medicine of this kind can be good for me.

I am planning to get the muscle relaxant filled tomrrow, because my back has

just gotten worse. So far, in order to help my back i have done a yoga

workout which i got from a video titled "Total Yoga." It's produced by

Living Arts. It is about an hour long, and when i do it by myself without

the tape it takes me about an hour and 20 minutes. I did this three days in

a row. My back hurt while doing it, (i took it easy, and concentrated on

relaxing my back), but afterwords i felt much better. However on the third

day, i had to stop midway through the session because of back pain. For the

last two days i have done any excersize other than maybe 50 crunches. I

don't know what to do and any suggestions would be helpful. I shouldn't

have this kind of pain seeing as how i am only 16 years old and i am fairly

short (i have heard that short people are less likely to get back pain

because of the way they are built). Other than this pain, i am a fairly

healthy kid. I have been a vegetarian for about a year now (taking a

vitamin supplement everyday, to make up for any nutrients i don't get), and

i'd say i have a fairly balanced and nutrious diet. Over the past year i

have grown 4 inches and have put on over 20 pounds. (I don't know if this

helps you but i'll give you whatever i can to work with). That makes me 120

pounds, 5 foot 4. My back is aggravated if i run whatsoever, and handstands

hurt a lot too, so i've refrained from these. I could use any advice at

this point, i really don't want it to get worse. Does anyone have any

opions on a chiropractor? I don't know much about them, if it actually

helps you, or if its temporary relief or what? I am starting a summer job

next monday and it will be working on a manuel assembly line in a box

factory. We are putting together back to school display cases and i will be

on my feet all day long. Right now i have almost constant back pain and i

don't want to suffer on the job. Well i've gone on for a while now, thanks

for your time.

 

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Hi Cam,

 

I posted this a while back, but don't mind posting again---it's so

easy to copy and paste these days;-) Anyway, it was written by a

virtual-friend who studies Ryukyu-Kempo and Kyusho-Jitsu (pressure-

points), which are Okinawan Martial Arts. Let me know if they work

for you. Be careful, and I would lay off the crunches and any hard

exercise until the pain eases up. Also try alternating cold and heat

on the spots that are most sore. Don't apply heat for more than

about 20 minutes. Also muscle-rubs like "Banalg" or "Flex-all" are

good, if you have someone at home who can assist you;-)

 

I know several Chiropractors, some are geniuses, some are morons

(between which there is a fine line). Trust you instincts (and watch

some of their patients in the waiting-room;-)

 

Mal Wagner

 

"Lower Back Pain

 

I have had 100% effective results for folks with lower back pain. It

is a one point method that does not "cure" the problem, but

dissipates the pain and tightness for hours.

 

The point is Bladder 60 located at the ouside of the ankle between

the ankle bone and Achilles tendon, just on top of the heel bone.

 

 

This point should be massaged downward fo 1 to 3 minutes each side

depending on the amount of pain the person is experiencing. You will

find that the point that is more sensitive, is the same side of the

back that has the most distress.

 

I have worked with hundreds of people (as a matter of fact I am quite

surprised just how many people have this difficulty...what are you

doing out there folks?).

 

Keep the questions coming folks so we can address your concerns.

 

I think by now we have shown that this pressure point stuff isn't

going away because it's real...now how you integrate it into your

methods is the question."

 

------------------

Evan Pantazi

www.kyusho.com

 

 

 

Kundaliniyoga, "Cameron Meyer" <kundalini83@h...> wrote:

> Hi, my name is Cameron and i just joined the list a little while

ago. Since

> marching band season (from last september to november), i have

expeirecned

> lower back pain. I think the combined weight of the drums we had

to carry,

> plus my heavy backpack this school year, mainly contributed to the

problem.

> I had been fine up until these last two weeks. I went to see a

doctor and

> all he did was say that it was probably inflamed and perscribed for

me to

> take 600mg of motrin 3 times a day. That combined with a muscle

relaxant he

> prescribed. I have taken at one to two motrin a day for the past 5

days and

> have yet to fill the prescription for the muscle relaxant. This is

because

> i neccisarily think that too much medicine of this kind can be good

for me.

> I am planning to get the muscle relaxant filled tomrrow, because my

back has

> just gotten worse. So far, in order to help my back i have done a

yoga

> workout which i got from a video titled "Total Yoga." It's

produced by

> Living Arts. It is about an hour long, and when i do it by myself

without

> the tape it takes me about an hour and 20 minutes. I did this

three days in

> a row. My back hurt while doing it, (i took it easy, and

concentrated on

> relaxing my back), but afterwords i felt much better. However on

the third

> day, i had to stop midway through the session because of back

pain. For the

> last two days i have done any excersize other than maybe 50

crunches. I

> don't know what to do and any suggestions would be helpful. I

shouldn't

> have this kind of pain seeing as how i am only 16 years old and i

am fairly

> short (i have heard that short people are less likely to get back

pain

> because of the way they are built). Other than this pain, i am a

fairly

> healthy kid. I have been a vegetarian for about a year now (taking

a

> vitamin supplement everyday, to make up for any nutrients i don't

get), and

> i'd say i have a fairly balanced and nutrious diet. Over the past

year i

> have grown 4 inches and have put on over 20 pounds. (I don't know

if this

> helps you but i'll give you whatever i can to work with). That

makes me 120

> pounds, 5 foot 4. My back is aggravated if i run whatsoever, and

handstands

> hurt a lot too, so i've refrained from these. I could use any

advice at

> this point, i really don't want it to get worse. Does anyone have

any

> opions on a chiropractor? I don't know much about them, if it

actually

> helps you, or if its temporary relief or what? I am starting a

summer job

> next monday and it will be working on a manuel assembly line in a

box

> factory. We are putting together back to school display cases and

i will be

> on my feet all day long. Right now i have almost constant back

pain and i

> don't want to suffer on the job. Well i've gone on for a while

now, thanks

> for your time.

>

> Cam

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One more thing: Switch from drums to triangle next band-season;-)

 

Mal

 

Kundaliniyoga, "Cameron Meyer" <kundalini83@h...> wrote:

> Hi, my name is Cameron and i just joined the list a little while

ago. Since

> marching band season (from last september to november), i have

expeirecned

> lower back pain. I think the combined weight of the drums we had

to carry,

> plus my heavy backpack this school year, mainly contributed to the

problem.

> I had been fine up until these last two weeks. I went to see a

doctor and

> all he did was say that it was probably inflamed and perscribed for

me to

> take 600mg of motrin 3 times a day. That combined with a muscle

relaxant he

> prescribed. I have taken at one to two motrin a day for the past 5

days and

> have yet to fill the prescription for the muscle relaxant. This is

because

> i neccisarily think that too much medicine of this kind can be good

for me.

> I am planning to get the muscle relaxant filled tomrrow, because my

back has

> just gotten worse. So far, in order to help my back i have done a

yoga

> workout which i got from a video titled "Total Yoga." It's

produced by

> Living Arts. It is about an hour long, and when i do it by myself

without

> the tape it takes me about an hour and 20 minutes. I did this

three days in

> a row. My back hurt while doing it, (i took it easy, and

concentrated on

> relaxing my back), but afterwords i felt much better. However on

the third

> day, i had to stop midway through the session because of back

pain. For the

> last two days i have done any excersize other than maybe 50

crunches. I

> don't know what to do and any suggestions would be helpful. I

shouldn't

> have this kind of pain seeing as how i am only 16 years old and i

am fairly

> short (i have heard that short people are less likely to get back

pain

> because of the way they are built). Other than this pain, i am a

fairly

> healthy kid. I have been a vegetarian for about a year now (taking

a

> vitamin supplement everyday, to make up for any nutrients i don't

get), and

> i'd say i have a fairly balanced and nutrious diet. Over the past

year i

> have grown 4 inches and have put on over 20 pounds. (I don't know

if this

> helps you but i'll give you whatever i can to work with). That

makes me 120

> pounds, 5 foot 4. My back is aggravated if i run whatsoever, and

handstands

> hurt a lot too, so i've refrained from these. I could use any

advice at

> this point, i really don't want it to get worse. Does anyone have

any

> opions on a chiropractor? I don't know much about them, if it

actually

> helps you, or if its temporary relief or what? I am starting a

summer job

> next monday and it will be working on a manuel assembly line in a

box

> factory. We are putting together back to school display cases and

i will be

> on my feet all day long. Right now i have almost constant back

pain and i

> don't want to suffer on the job. Well i've gone on for a while

now, thanks

> for your time.

>

> Cam

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Cameron,

 

I have been doing various types of yoga, taichi, chi-kung since 1974 and

am also a vegetarian (since 1974). From your description of symptoms, I do

not believe that your difficulties will be alleviated by _adding_ still

more exercise. I feel you should go in the other direction, by eliminating

exercise for a while (at least a week or two). Just everyday motions like

walking (without carrying heavy backpack and drums) should suffice during

this rest. If you _must_ do other exercise, gentle swimming in a pool--if

available--should not be harmful. Speed laps are not what is called for

here.

 

Once your back returns to its own natural equilibrium and the pain has

abated, _then_ is the time to strengthen it with moderate exercise

including half-situps. In all exercise programs (including the active

methods of kundalini yoga) learn to distinguish between the discomfort of

exerting yourself to the limit and the pain of crossing the limit. When

pain is experienced, back off. Don't try to work _through_ pain. Pain is a

signal that you're crossing the line toward injury.

 

It sounds like you're an extremely energetic and conscientious young

person willing to take upon yourself commitments to many activities. This

is wonderful. It's equally important, though, to learn how to relax.

The tension of overcommitment--in my experience--often manifests in back

pain.

 

Practical methods of dealing with lower back pain should also be

mentioned. Heat, as in warm baths or use of a heating pad can be helpful.

Turning over one's mattress or getting another one may help. Getting a

reasonable amount of sleep seems to be a factor--with pain increasing from

excessive immobility if you sleep say for 12 hours; and conversely, also

increasing if you don't get _enough_ sleep, like under 7 hours. Strangely,

many have found that a change of shoes brings surprising results since the

way feet are supported within shoes affects the conformation of the spine.

I claim no special expertise in treating lower back pain--but these are

things that have worked for me personally over the years.

 

All best wishes/SB

sbernst

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Dear Cameron,

 

Besides switiching to triangle, when the pain eases up strengthen your navel

center and do spinal flexes. They are all in the KYTraining lessons.

 

Sat Nam,

 

GururattanKaur

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Dear Cameron,

 

Just a few more thoughts to add to the good advice that has already been

posted. If you used to carry drums and heavy backpacks this could have

slightly displaced a few vertebrae in your back. The lower back is the most

vulnerable with regard to weight because for most people the lower back

muscles are not sufficiently strong and also because the lower back is

naturally curved in. If you add weight, the curvature can get out of shape

and the vertebrae can slide out of place, enough to cause you pain.

 

One thing you can try is to consciously keep your back aligned. This is what

chiropractors would do, but if you can't find a good one nothing stops you

from doing it yourself. To get an idea of what needs to be done, you could

stand up and look in a mirror, from the front and also from a side. If your

shoulders are not at the same level or if from the side you see that your

back is more curved in than it should be, then something needs to be done.

 

Some time ago for a short while I had a (mostly) standing job as well and I

had pretty bad lower back pain. I have to tell you that standing all day

will not help your back, but don't worry too much, you can work around it. I

would recommend a gentle exercise that helped me quite a lot: lie on your

back, inhale and slowly bring the right knee as close to the chest as you

can comfortably get without causing pain. Then exhale and slowly bring the

leg down. Continue on the other side. Make sure to do this slowly and do not

cause pain. You can continue doing this exercise for a few minutes. If you

do this in the morning and evening it should be enough exercise to help the

lower back muscles keep flexibility and also to keep the spine aligned (the

movement of the legs in this one helps keep the back straight). You can also

do it if you have a short break at work, and don't feel shy about asking for

a five minute break to do this if your back starts hurting.

 

After doing this exercise don't lie on the floor on your back with your legs

extended, instead if you want to relax bring both knees to the chest and

hold them there for a minute, or lie on a side also bringing you knees up.

You may also want to avoid sleeping on your back because this position puts

a strain on the lower back if it is not strong enough.

 

This little exercise will also help you get used to how a straight back

feels like. This may sound like a strange thing to say, but the fact is that

most of us aren't aware of how straight we keep our backs, and can't even

tell. Once you get used to how it feels you can then consciously align your

back even when you are standing and doing work.

 

Many blessings to you and your back : )!

 

Satsang Kaur

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Dear Cameron,

 

You do not mention the kind of pain you are experiencing. If the pain is a

burning one, a mri or cat scan should be done to rule out a disc problem.

 

Chiropractors are helpful. So is massage therapy. You might also look at

the way the heel of you shoes are wearing. If they wear at the corners on

the right side, that could be contributing to you problem. The heels should

be replaced or the shoes tossed. When the heels wear, mechanically the leg

is not moving correctly. Therefore, there is pressure placed at the hips

and it relates to the lower back.

 

There is a book out Heal Your Back Now1 by Nirvair Singh Khalsa. see

www.KundaliniYoga.net It might be of help.

 

Good Luck to you.

 

Sat Nam,

Samantha

 

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"Cameron Meyer" <kundalini83

<Kundaliniyoga>

Tuesday, May 29, 2001 5:32 PM

Lower back pain

 

 

> Hi, my name is Cameron and i just joined the list a little while ago.

Since

> marching band season (from last september to november), i have expeirecned

> lower back pain. I think the combined weight of the drums we had to

carry,

> plus my heavy backpack this school year, mainly contributed to the

problem.

> I had been fine up until these last two weeks. I went to see a doctor and

> all he did was say that it was probably inflamed and perscribed for me to

> take 600mg of motrin 3 times a day. That combined with a muscle relaxant

he

> prescribed. I have taken at one to two motrin a day for the past 5 days

and

> have yet to fill the prescription for the muscle relaxant. This is

because

> i neccisarily think that too much medicine of this kind can be good for

me.

> I am planning to get the muscle relaxant filled tomrrow, because my back

has

> just gotten worse. So far, in order to help my back i have done a yoga

> workout which i got from a video titled "Total Yoga." It's produced by

> Living Arts. It is about an hour long, and when i do it by myself without

> the tape it takes me about an hour and 20 minutes. I did this three days

in

> a row. My back hurt while doing it, (i took it easy, and concentrated on

> relaxing my back), but afterwords i felt much better. However on the

third

> day, i had to stop midway through the session because of back pain. For

the

> last two days i have done any excersize other than maybe 50 crunches. I

> don't know what to do and any suggestions would be helpful. I shouldn't

> have this kind of pain seeing as how i am only 16 years old and i am

fairly

> short (i have heard that short people are less likely to get back pain

> because of the way they are built). Other than this pain, i am a fairly

> healthy kid. I have been a vegetarian for about a year now (taking a

> vitamin supplement everyday, to make up for any nutrients i don't get),

and

> i'd say i have a fairly balanced and nutrious diet. Over the past year i

> have grown 4 inches and have put on over 20 pounds. (I don't know if this

> helps you but i'll give you whatever i can to work with). That makes me

120

> pounds, 5 foot 4. My back is aggravated if i run whatsoever, and

handstands

> hurt a lot too, so i've refrained from these. I could use any advice at

> this point, i really don't want it to get worse. Does anyone have any

> opions on a chiropractor? I don't know much about them, if it actually

> helps you, or if its temporary relief or what? I am starting a summer job

> next monday and it will be working on a manuel assembly line in a box

> factory. We are putting together back to school display cases and i will

be

> on my feet all day long. Right now i have almost constant back pain and i

> don't want to suffer on the job. Well i've gone on for a while now,

thanks

> for your time.

>

> Cam

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Thanks everyone for the input so far. You've helped clarifying many things

for me. If only i COULD play triangle...I didn't realize it but my sleep

patterns could have also contributed to the pain. It seems that on weekends

i had slept over 12 hours and on weekdays under 7. I am now trying to get

about 8 or 9 hours every night. My mom just an erganomically correct

sleeping pad to put on your mattress to sleep with. I don't anyting about

it, but i guess we'll have to find out. If it doesn't help we could return

it. I have been taking the muscle relaxants right before i sleep and this

helps too. Not only does it stop spasms, but i don't think i wake up once

until my alarm goes off. heh. I took one when i got home from school

yesterday and couldn't help but stumble around for a few hours.

 

 

just a few questions:

 

>You do not mention the kind of pain you are experiencing. If the pain is a

>burning one, a mri or cat scan should be done to rule out a disc problem.

 

Well it is not a burning pain. It is more like i strained it. It is tense

and it hurts when i bend over to a certain angle, like to touch my toes.

 

> Chiropractors are helpful. So is massage therapy."

 

So i hear, but i'll see how things go the next two weeks...i'm taking it

realy easy. And then i might think about finding a chiropractor.

 

>the way the heel of you shoes are wearing. If they wear at the corners on

>the right side, that could be contributing to you problem. The heels

>should

>be replaced or the shoes tossed."

 

Well i recently (last two months) bought a new pair of shoes. They are New

Balance 703's and they were really comfortable i thought. Can you explain

better what you mean by the heel wearing? I looked at my shoes and on the

outside by the heel, not underneatht the shoe, on the sides, the material is

beat up pretty good. It is foam though, and it is slightly beat up all over

the shoe, but specifically in the area i mentioned.

 

>When the heels wear, mechanically the leg

>is not moving correctly.

 

Well the doctor had me walk for him and he didn't see any problems, but then

again he didn't look very long.

 

Also, is there any way i could tell if one of my vertebrae were out of

place? I have been concentrating on my posture, both standing and sitting,

but i suppose it could be possible with all of the heavy stuff i've had to

carry.

 

Thanks again for all of your help.

 

Cam

 

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"Cameron Meyer" <kundalini83

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Thursday, May 31, 2001 7:50 AM

Re: Lower back pain

 

 

> Thanks everyone for the input so far. You've helped clarifying many

things

> for me. If only i COULD play triangle...I didn't realize it but my sleep

> patterns could have also contributed to the pain. It seems that on

weekends

> i had slept over 12 hours and on weekdays under 7. I am now trying to get

> about 8 or 9 hours every night. My mom just an erganomically correct

> sleeping pad to put on your mattress to sleep with. I don't anyting about

> it, but i guess we'll have to find out. If it doesn't help we could

return

> it. I have been taking the muscle relaxants right before i sleep and this

> helps too. Not only does it stop spasms, but i don't think i wake up once

> until my alarm goes off. heh. I took one when i got home from school

> yesterday and couldn't help but stumble around for a few hours.

>

You can play triangle if you chose to. Remember, you always have a choice!

 

> just a few questions:

>

> >You do not mention the kind of pain you are experiencing. If the pain is

a

> >burning one, a mri or cat scan should be done to rule out a disc problem.

>

> Well it is not a burning pain. It is more like i strained it. It is

tense

> and it hurts when i bend over to a certain angle, like to touch my toes.

>

> > Chiropractors are helpful. So is massage therapy."

>

> So i hear, but i'll see how things go the next two weeks...i'm taking it

> realy easy. And then i might think about finding a chiropractor.

>

> >the way the heel of you shoes are wearing. If they wear at the corners

on

> >the right side, that could be contributing to you problem. The heels

> >should

> >be replaced or the shoes tossed."

>

> Well i recently (last two months) bought a new pair of shoes. They are

New

> Balance 703's and they were really comfortable i thought. Can you explain

> better what you mean by the heel wearing? I looked at my shoes and on the

> outside by the heel, not underneatht the shoe, on the sides, the material

is

> beat up pretty good. It is foam though, and it is slightly beat up all

over

> the shoe, but specifically in the area i mentioned.

>

 

When you buy new shoes, the bottom of the shoe is all new, the heels have

straight or level planes. If you were to put them on a flat surface, eye

level and look at them from the back of the shoe, they would be level with

the surface. When the heels are worn, and you put them of a level surface,

you will see that the shoe is no longer level. It is worn to either the

outside or inside. Even thought the material may be made of a foam, foam

can become dense or compressed, thus no longer doing its job.

 

 

> >When the heels wear, mechanically the leg

> >is not moving correctly.

>

> Well the doctor had me walk for him and he didn't see any problems, but

then

> again he didn't look very long.

>

> Also, is there any way i could tell if one of my vertebrae were out of

> place? I have been concentrating on my posture, both standing and

sitting,

> but i suppose it could be possible with all of the heavy stuff i've had to

> carry.

>

If you were in tune with you body, it would be easier to know is a vertebrae

was out of alignment. You best bet is to see a good chiropractor to start.

 

With regards to sitting. To sit straight, sit on a good chair. you have two

boney points, known as sits bones, bones that you will feel. Roll around

on them. Sit in front of them, behind them and finally right on top of them.

When you are sitting on them. It will feel different. (Most of the time we

have a tendency to sit on our sacram, the triangular bone that is at the

base of the spine and separates the bottocks.) At first, this will not feel

very comfortable. When it becomes to uncomfortable, relax or slump for a

bit and go back to the correct position. After awhile it will become second

nature to sit properly.

 

Any other ?s e me.

 

Samantha

 

 

> Thanks again for all of your help.

>

> Cam

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Kundaliniyoga, "Samantha" <star44@w...> wrote:

 

[...snipped a bit ....]

 

>

> With regards to sitting. To sit straight, sit on a good chair. you

have two

> boney points, known as sits bones, bones that you will feel. Roll

around

> on them. Sit in front of them, behind them and finally right on top

of them.

> When you are sitting on them. It will feel different. (Most of

the time we

> have a tendency to sit on our sacram, the triangular bone that is

at the

> base of the spine and separates the bottocks.) At first, this will

not feel

> very comfortable. When it becomes to uncomfortable, relax or slump

for a

> bit and go back to the correct position. After awhile it will

become second

> nature to sit properly.

>

> Any other ?s e me.

>

> Samantha

 

 

This is a very good tip Samantha!

Just reminded me to it myself - thank you :-)

 

Sat Nam - Hari Har Singh

__________________________

 

Truth is hidden in the subtle nature of the heart of everything,

although it is invisible.

One cannot see it from inside and neither from the surface.

One can only live and experience it.

 

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Sat Nam Hari Har Singh,

 

Glad you enjoyed the tip.

 

The neck/head and sacram are so entwined. Sitting correctly will also help

upper back problems.

 

Where do I find your Heart Sutras????

 

Blessing to you and yours,

Samantha

 

-

<hari_har_singh

<Kundaliniyoga>

Friday, June 01, 2001 12:36 PM

Re: Lower back pain

 

 

> Kundaliniyoga, "Samantha" <star44@w...> wrote:

>

> [...snipped a bit ....]

>

> >

> > With regards to sitting. To sit straight, sit on a good chair. you

> have two

> > boney points, known as sits bones, bones that you will feel. Roll

> around

> > on them. Sit in front of them, behind them and finally right on top

> of them.

> > When you are sitting on them. It will feel different. (Most of

> the time we

> > have a tendency to sit on our sacram, the triangular bone that is

> at the

> > base of the spine and separates the bottocks.) At first, this will

> not feel

> > very comfortable. When it becomes to uncomfortable, relax or slump

> for a

> > bit and go back to the correct position. After awhile it will

> become second

> > nature to sit properly.

> >

> > Any other ?s e me.

> >

> > Samantha

>

>

> This is a very good tip Samantha!

> Just reminded me to it myself - thank you :-)

>

> Sat Nam - Hari Har Singh

> __________________________

>

> Truth is hidden in the subtle nature of the heart of everything,

> although it is invisible.

> One cannot see it from inside and neither from the surface.

> One can only live and experience it.

>

> Heart Sutra

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>

>

>

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Kundaliniyoga, "Samantha" <star44@w...> wrote:

 

[...]

 

 

> Where do I find your Heart Sutras????

>

> Blessing to you and yours,

> Samantha

 

 

Dear Samantha, I recomend to to the "Meditation Tip of the

day" at www.deeshan.com

 

Everyday an inspirational thought in your mailbox - very nice!

 

 

Sat Nam - Hari Har Singh

[Guest guest]

Greetings Hari Har Singh

 

Many thanks. I'll log on.

 

I enjoyed they ones that were attached to your e's. If more people could

read these, what a difference could be made.

 

Blessing,

Samantha

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<hari_har_singh

<Kundaliniyoga>

Monday, June 04, 2001 4:13 AM

Re: Lower back pain

 

 

> Kundaliniyoga, "Samantha" <star44@w...> wrote:

>

> [...]

>

>

> > Where do I find your Heart Sutras????

> >

> > Blessing to you and yours,

> > Samantha

>

>

> Dear Samantha, I recomend to to the "Meditation Tip of the

> day" at www.deeshan.com

>

> Everyday an inspirational thought in your mailbox - very nice!

>

>

> Sat Nam - Hari Har Singh

>

>

>

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> - Yogi Bhajan

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Sat Nam,

 

I have pain around my L4 and L5, and I have been told that my L5 thinks it is

part of my sacrum. I have sacralization (spelling?). Please tell me which

kriya would be best for me.

 

By the way, thank you for the recommendations for the eyes. The Tratakam

information is included with Yogiji's photo. I bought mine at Golden Temple

in Espanola a couple of years ago.

 

Blessings,

Nirmal Kaur (Pamela Nixon)

 

 

 

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In a message dated 1/21/02 1:06:12 PM Pacific Standard Time,

PamENixon writes:

 

 

> I have pain around my L4 and L5, and I have been told that my L5 thinks it

> is

> part of my sacrum. I have sacralization (spelling?). Please tell me which

>

> kriya would be best for me.

 

Thanks for writing this question. I too have been told that I had a

"partially sacralized disc" at L5 and didn't know what that meant. Now I

know, and yes, I have L4/L5 pain too. I have found relief doing the

cat-camel, starting off slowly and then moving faster and faster until the

breath is thrusting in and out, pumping almost like breathe of fire. Of

course, inhale as the back arches and exhale as it rounds. All poses that

lengthen the lumbar spine help me too, like down dog and child's pose. Or if

you have something stable you can grab onto - waiste level or lower, it feels

pretty nice to hold on, stand with feel hip width apart and lean your

tailbone back, pulling your weight behind you. So, its like a downward dog,

only assisted. I know its not a kundalini solution (I'm a hatha yoga

teacher), and I eagerly await the response as well, but just figured I'd tell

you what's worked for me.

 

Susan