Vibration and cold

[Guest guest]

Satsang,

I have somewhat the opposite problem. Once in deep meditation, vibrations begin.

not chills nor heat but vibratoins. i get cold when meditating for more than 10

minutes and have to put socks and loose covers around me. i'm listening to

healing mantras while meditating. once the vibrations become extremely intense,

they stop and i feel like i've been "launched" into a void, almost like the

feeling of diving into water where sight, sound and normal feelings are

suspended. what does this mean? the vibrations happen every time i meditate and

i am embarassed to meditate in a group.

k

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Dear Kathy,

 

> I have somewhat the opposite problem. Once in deep meditation, vibrations

begin. not chills nor heat but vibratoins. i get cold when meditating for

more than 10 minutes and have to put socks and loose covers around me. i'm

listening to healing mantras while meditating. once the vibrations become

extremely intense, they stop and i feel like i've been "launched" into a

void, almost like the feeling of diving into water where sight, sound and

normal feelings are suspended. what does this mean? the vibrations happen

every time i meditate and i am embarassed to meditate in a group.

 

If it weren't for our mind putting the label "problem" on things, we

wouldn't have any problems ; )! How about calling them "experiences"? Cold

and heat symptoms are equally frequent with Kundalini. It is recommended to

wear a warm shawl for meditation or at least cover your back with a warm

sweater, even if it is the middle of summer. That is because all the energy

in your body moves into the sushumna and so while you might find your spine

heating up the rest of the body might feel very cold.

 

Don't even think about being embarassed to meditate in a group. People have

the strangest experiences while meditating, and it is all fine. But take

your shawl with you.

 

The vibrations are very good. There are many ways in which Kundalini

manifests. Let us remember that Kundalini is energy. Energy manifests as

vibrations, or heat, or sound. In fact, they are all one. The void you

mention seems to be a sort of savikalpa samadhi, in which most of the normal

world and senses disappear but you are still aware of your mind and your

identity. It is very good. One step further is nirvikalpa samadhi, where you

go beyond the mind, beyond form. You will know you have been there if you

come out of meditation with a most exquisite feeling of bliss and realize it

is 3 hours later than you thought... But all will happen at the right time.

 

Many blessings,

Satsang Kaur

[Guest guest]

This sounds awfully like an out-of-body experience. I feel the same way when I

am extremely relaxed, and I think this is what's happening to you. It feels like

a void, like you say, and the vibrations are there, too. I see white behind my

eyes.

 

 

 

> Satsang,

>I have somewhat the opposite problem. Once in deep meditation, vibrations

begin>. not chills nor heat but vibratoins. i get cold when meditating for more

than >10 minutes and have to put socks and loose covers around me. i'm listening

to h>ealing mantras while meditating. once the vibrations become extremely

intense, >they stop and i feel like i've been "launched" into a void, almost

like the fee>ling of diving into water where sight, sound and normal feelings

are suspended.> what does this mean? the vibrations happen every time i

meditate and i am emb>arassed to meditate in a group.

>k

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Sat Nam,

 

I have to say that my first instinct on this one was out-of-body experience

too. When one is doing a lot of meditation without a lot of physical

grounding yoga one can get very spaced out. It can become difficult to

function in society. The fact that your instinct was to cut back on your

practice also says that perhaps something wasn't right. OBEs can be good I

think, but it seems like you would need a very solid connection to your body

in order to return properly and also avoid allowing unbeneficial energies

from entering it.

 

We are in human bodies here and me must realize the importance of using the

vehicle of these bodies in our spiritual practices. Thus we must be in

them.

 

I think a good program for someone who has done a lot of meditation and

feels very ungrounded would be to cut way back on meditation times and add

some good grounding physical yoga sets to their daily practice- maybe Nabhi

Kriya or something.

 

Samadhi is very advanced state. It requires a lot of prerequisites. My

feeling is that you can have experiences relating to our higher chakras

without them being samadhi. We can feel great peace and connection, etc.

Personally I really don't think about attaining samadhi. That could be a

distraction, too. My understanding of samadhi from my husband's

experiences is that one experiences extreme bliss, and the mind is withdrawn

from the senses, thus one wouldn't be having bodily sensations. He also

experienced the sensation of his heart stopping.

 

I am curious what mantras Glen was practicing.

 

Love Always,

 

littlebird Leslie

AKA Guru Chiter Kaur

[Guest guest]

Dear friends,

 

> I have to say that my first instinct on this one was out-of-body

experience

> too. When one is doing a lot of meditation without a lot of physical

> grounding yoga one can get very spaced out. It can become difficult to

> function in society.

 

I am curious to see what yoga scriptures mention OBEs as opposed to a light

samadhi state... I personally haven't found the expression "out-of-body

experience" in any such resources, except some Western books. To my

knowledge, samadhi has different degrees, just like Shaktipat and Kundalini

awakening. What we call OBEs can be such a "light" samadhi state. Feelings

of vastness and deep peace are not simple out-of-body experiences.

 

> Samadhi is very advanced state. It requires a lot of prerequisites.

 

Hmmmm... There is a yoga scripture I love very much called Vijnana Bhairava

(Divine Consciousness). It has no less than 112 short techniques for

attaining nirvikalpa samadhi and liberation. It says, in fact, that it is

very very easy... God dwells within you, and you are already liberated. How

much does it take you to realize the truth that is already within you? The

prerequisites (ie, the grace of God) are already there, loved ones. You have

everything you need to be liberated RIGHT NOW.

 

> My

> feeling is that you can have experiences relating to our higher chakras

> without them being samadhi. We can feel great peace and connection, etc.

> Personally I really don't think about attaining samadhi. That could be a

> distraction, too. My understanding of samadhi from my husband's

> experiences is that one experiences extreme bliss, and the mind is

withdrawn

> from the senses, thus one wouldn't be having bodily sensations. He also

> experienced the sensation of his heart stopping.

 

Again, samadhi has different degrees. Your husband could be experiencing

nirvikalpa samadhi, which is a deeper state then savikalpa. Most people when

talking about samadhi mean nirvikalpa samadhi because for some reason this

has been more written and talked about.

 

One other thing. Samadhi, or turiya, is a natural state, just like dreaming,

the waking state or deep sleep. These are known as "the four states". There

is nothing at all that prevents anyone from entering the fourth state. What

it takes is not to disturb yourself, really, but we are so very used to

disturbing ourselves all the time that we can't just be quiet! Why shouldn't

you want to experience samadhi? It is right there, it is yours, it is

natural. You have a right to it. Don't go thinking you have to practice

austerities in a cave for twenty years before you can qualify for samadhi!

You are already qualified.

 

Blessings,

Satsang Kaur

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Mallesons Stephen Jaques

Confidential communication

 

Friends,

 

I have found lately that when I sit up to meditate that I either can't

concentrate or I drift off to find myself 3 or 4 hours later like it was

only 1 minute.

I was not dreaming since I would remember since I usually lucid dream.

Is this ok. Is it normal to lose hours to meditation like this, with not

a single thought during that period.

 

Anzac,

 

 

kathy mueller [ladebug79]

Sunday, 15 July 2001 2:42 AM

Kundaliniyoga

Vibration and cold

 

 

Satsang,

I have somewhat the opposite problem. Once in deep meditation,

vibrations begin. not chills nor heat but vibratoins. i get cold when

meditating for more than 10 minutes and have to put socks and loose

covers around me. i'm listening to healing mantras while meditating.

once the vibrations become extremely intense, they stop and i feel like

i've been "launched" into a void, almost like the feeling of diving into

water where sight, sound and normal feelings are suspended. what does

this mean? the vibrations happen every time i meditate and i am

embarassed to meditate in a group.

k

 

 

 

"OUR DESTINY IS TO BE HAPPY"

- Yogi Bhajan

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Anzac,

 

> I was not dreaming since I would remember since I usually lucid dream.

> Is this ok. Is it normal to lose hours to meditation like this, with not

> a single thought during that period.

 

Ask not whether it is normal... ask whether it is good! One of the purposes

of meditation is to still the mind, ie, not having any thoughts. So you are

doing very well when you don't have any thoughts. This gives your mind and

body time to regenerate and your soul time to connect to the best and the

highest.

 

> I have found lately that when I sit up to meditate that I either can't

> concentrate or I drift off to find myself 3 or 4 hours later like it was

> only 1 minute.

 

If there are times when you can't concentrate, this may indicate that you

are not getting enough proper nourishment and you may be meditating for too

long. Meditation actually takes up quite a lot of resources. It may look

like you are doing nothing, but on the inside very many things happen, even

while you may not be aware of them. It is very important for a meditator to

get proper food, with enough nutrients and very easily assimilable.

Vegetarian (or mostly vegetarian) diets are very easy to assimilate, but you

need to get good amounts of lecithin, non-saturated oils and minerals (oats

and nuts are a good natural source, especially cashew nuts). You may want to

take some supplements as well. Avoid meditating right after you eat.

 

It is also important to lead a disciplined life (hold on to a daily

schedule, and try to avoid staying up too late). Until you are able to have

good meditations on a regular basis (not up and down as you seem to right

now), it would be good to set a timer so that you don't meditate for more

than 1 hour on 1 hour and a half at a time. It is very good that you are

able to let go of your thoughts. So you should try to make this a regular

experience.

 

Many blessings,

Satsang Kaur