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Dear Maria,

 

You can offer a person tools but you can't make them change. I would

caution you not to pressure your suffering friend to meditate.

Personally I find it challenging enough to make myself meditate even

though I WANT to do it. And as a very stubborn person myself, I can

tell you that there are some of us who, even when we know it would be

good for us, if we feel like someone is trying to MAKE us change, we

for sure won't do it. It can feel like admitting that we are wrong

and they are right (stubborn people hate that). If your friend sees

by your communication that you are clear, calm, happy and peaceful

THEN she may want to try it. (It will be her own idea that way). My

advice would be to pray for your friend and offer her unconditional

love and support. Then concentrate on keeping your own negativity at

bay and finding your own peace. It is my theory that when any one of

us becomes more positive and peaceful it helps to lift up those

around us.

 

Sat Nam

 

 

 

>

>

> > Hello everybody, I want to ask someone if they know how to

> > transmit positive energy to someone while they're online

> > with me. Is it possible? This someone that I talk to is

> > very negative and stubborn (wont meditate or find

> > peace)...I also feel her negativity when I'm talking to

> > her. She thinks about suicide, she's depressed and in

> > disillusionment with the world (with everything), she has

> > not transcended spiritually and she wont take my advice. I

> > cannot be in physical presence with her because she lives

> > overseas. Please help! ...I'd like to help others as well.

> > sat nam

> > maria.

> >

> > =====

> > SAT NAM

> >

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This makes alot of sense, my Intuition was telling me what

you said, thank you Peggy...

 

 

--- Peggy Sue <pmcrae wrote:

> Dear Maria,

>

> You can offer a person tools but you can't make them

> change. I would

> caution you not to pressure your suffering friend to

> meditate.

> Personally I find it challenging enough to make myself

> meditate even

> though I WANT to do it. And as a very stubborn person

> myself, I can

> tell you that there are some of us who, even when we know

> it would be

> good for us, if we feel like someone is trying to MAKE us

> change, we

> for sure won't do it. It can feel like admitting that we

> are wrong

> and they are right (stubborn people hate that). If your

> friend sees

> by your communication that you are clear, calm, happy and

> peaceful

> THEN she may want to try it. (It will be her own idea

> that way). My

> advice would be to pray for your friend and offer her

> unconditional

> love and support. Then concentrate on keeping your own

> negativity at

> bay and finding your own peace. It is my theory that when

> any one of

> us becomes more positive and peaceful it helps to lift up

> those

> around us.

>

> Sat Nam

>

>

>

> >

> >

> > > Hello everybody, I want to ask someone if they know

> how to

> > > transmit positive energy to someone while they're

> online

> > > with me. Is it possible? This someone that I talk to

> is

> > > very negative and stubborn (wont meditate or find

> > > peace)...I also feel her negativity when I'm talking

> to

> > > her. She thinks about suicide, she's depressed and in

> > > disillusionment with the world (with everything), she

> has

> > > not transcended spiritually and she wont take my

> advice. I

> > > cannot be in physical presence with her because she

> lives

> > > overseas. Please help! ...I'd like to help others as

> well.

> > > sat nam

> > > maria.

> > >

> > > =====

> > > SAT NAM

> > >

>

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I have a little something to add to this line of thought. Someone I work

with, who is a very positive influence on those around her, very generous,

has a reputation for being so, etc., recently found out she has leukemia.

There is no doubt she is in danger of dying, and of course the hospital

system has her eating out of their hands. I want very much for her to do

yoga, to tune in in some way; but she refuses to consider it. This is the

first time I have seen negativity come from her, and I'm thinking that,

being a very giving person, she must have always balanced her sympathies

toward others with self-directed feelings of the opposite cast. Nothing I

can say to her will make her think that yoga is anything but a freakshow. On

top of this, of course, is the advice of her doctors, who say that she is in

such bad shape that she should not under any circumstances do yoga.

 

I worked for a time as a 12-step counselor, and what I learned there about

no one ever being able to make someone else do anything has stayed with me

throughout my life. I see it's applicability now, even though it hurts. My

grandmother died of leukemia, and I have had an opportunity to see first

hand what the snake-oil salesmen do to people who think they have no

alternative but to trust doctors. However, all I can do is present the

option, which I consider a duty. Making someone do something is not an

option.

 

I also have had some experience with suicide, and would like to say that as

long as your friend maintains some channel of communication with others

(albeit a self-depreciating one), then there is probably not much to worry

about. Once the channel of communication is broken, there is cause for

worry.

 

I hope this helps,

-thomas

 

-

"Peggy Sue" <pmcrae

<Kundaliniyoga>

Wednesday, July 25, 2001 9:22 AM

stubborn people & change

 

 

> Dear Maria,

>

> You can offer a person tools but you can't make them change. I would

> caution you not to pressure your suffering friend to meditate.

> Personally I find it challenging enough to make myself meditate even

> though I WANT to do it. And as a very stubborn person myself, I can

> tell you that there are some of us who, even when we know it would be

> good for us, if we feel like someone is trying to MAKE us change, we

> for sure won't do it. It can feel like admitting that we are wrong

> and they are right (stubborn people hate that). If your friend sees

> by your communication that you are clear, calm, happy and peaceful

> THEN she may want to try it. (It will be her own idea that way). My

> advice would be to pray for your friend and offer her unconditional

> love and support. Then concentrate on keeping your own negativity at

> bay and finding your own peace. It is my theory that when any one of

> us becomes more positive and peaceful it helps to lift up those

> around us.

>

> Sat Nam

>

>

>

> >

> >

> > > Hello everybody, I want to ask someone if they know how to

> > > transmit positive energy to someone while they're online

> > > with me. Is it possible? This someone that I talk to is

> > > very negative and stubborn (wont meditate or find

> > > peace)...I also feel her negativity when I'm talking to

> > > her. She thinks about suicide, she's depressed and in

> > > disillusionment with the world (with everything), she has

> > > not transcended spiritually and she wont take my advice. I

> > > cannot be in physical presence with her because she lives

> > > overseas. Please help! ...I'd like to help others as well.

> > > sat nam

> > > maria.

> > >

> > > =====

> > > SAT NAM

> > >

>

>

>

> "OUR DESTINY IS TO BE HAPPY"

> - Yogi Bhajan

>

> You can UNSUBSCRIBE from this list at the Groups Member Center (My

Groups), or send mail to

> Kundaliniyoga

> NO UNSUBSCRIBE REQUESTS TO THE LIST PLEASE!

> WEB SITE: kundalini yoga

>

> KUNDALINI YOGA ON-LINE TRAINING. Details from

> kundalini yogaclasses.html

>

> Sponsored by YOGA TECHNOLOGY - Practical Books & Videos on Kundalini Yoga

& Meditation. Also Meditation & Mantra CDs.

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

>

>

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Dear Thomas,

 

> There is no doubt she is in danger of dying, and of course the hospital

> system has her eating out of their hands. I want very much for her to do

> yoga, to tune in in some way; but she refuses to consider it. This is the

> first time I have seen negativity come from her, and I'm thinking that,

> being a very giving person, she must have always balanced her sympathies

> toward others with self-directed feelings of the opposite cast. Nothing I

> can say to her will make her think that yoga is anything but a freakshow.

On

> top of this, of course, is the advice of her doctors, who say that she is

in

> such bad shape that she should not under any circumstances do yoga.

 

I spent quite some time researching yoga and meditation uses in cancer

therapy, having had a few friends and family members who had cancer.

Physical yoga and certainly meditation have gained a lot of respectability

in recent years as complementary therapies, both with remedial and

palleative uses. In fact there are a growing number of clinics and insurance

plans that cover yoga and meditation therapies. Even online resources such

as WebMD list yoga and meditation as recommendations both for improving body

conditions (many times adversely affected by chemotherapy, radiation therapy

and prolonged inactivity in the hospital) and for lessening pain (including

chronic and cancer pain) and other side-effects of medication (such as

nausea and dizziness).

 

There have been studies on these topics, and yoga and meditation are

increasingly recognized at least as ways to reduce pain and treatment

side-effects, as well as alleviating depression (which itself is conducive

to pain). Yoga and meditation are a part of the now well-known Dean Ornish

method (along with a vegetarian diet), which has been used highly

successfully in treating heart conditions and is now being used as an

integrative cancer treatment as well (not taking the place of conventional

treatments but in addition to them).

 

Physical yoga exercises may be contra-indicated in some cases, especially

very energetic exercises. Light exercise however can still act as a

pain-killer because even light exercise can cause the brain to release

endorfins. I have never heard of meditation being contra-indicated, quite

the contrary. The meditative state is in fact beyond ordinary consciousness,

and beyond pain. It is highly beneficial.

 

You can probably find enough good resources even online to be able to give

your friend some medically-approved information on the uses of yoga and

meditation. This might go a step towards convincing her to try.

 

Prayers and blessings,

Satsang Kaur

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