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Dear Joe,

 

A long time ago I went to a Silent Retreat for a weekend, I learned that

there were 5 distractions to meditation. Unfortunately I do not remember

all of them, but the fidgeting and itching are apart of those distractions.

Even pain can sometimes be apart of it. It is another way for the mind to

try and get you to stop what you are doing. Try to relax. Take note of

what is happening and let it pass. Keep Up and You'll be kept up.

 

Hang in there. This too shall pass.

 

Sat Nam,

Samantha

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"Joe Estes" <jestes1

<Kundaliniyoga>

Friday, August 03, 2001 7:08 AM

Fidgeting and itching

 

 

> The questions continue....

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> About 15 minutes into my meditation I find it difficult to maintain the

position where your hands are relaxed on your knees in gyan mudra. My hands

start to slide off my knees. I want to bend my elbows. I start to shift

trying to find a comfortable position. This as you can imagine plays havoc

with the concentration.

>

> And then there are the itches. If I try to ignore they just become worst,

though sometimes they will go away. Oftentimes I give in and scratch and

that's the blissful end of it. Then again, sometimes they break out into a

veritable plehora of itches.

>

> Such mundane problems, but they are a hinderance and any suggestions on

how to deal w/ them would be appreciated.

>

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The questions continue....

 

About 15 minutes into my meditation I find it difficult to maintain the position

where your hands are relaxed on your knees in gyan mudra. My hands start to

slide off my knees. I want to bend my elbows. I start to shift trying to find

a comfortable position. This as you can imagine plays havoc with the

concentration.

 

And then there are the itches. If I try to ignore they just become worst,

though sometimes they will go away. Oftentimes I give in and scratch and that's

the blissful end of it. Then again, sometimes they break out into a veritable

plehora of itches.

 

Such mundane problems, but they are a hinderance and any suggestions on how to

deal w/ them would be appreciated.

 

Joe

 

 

 

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Joe,

Try just sitting still .Try and estimate about 5 minutes of stillness,

I mean don't move a muscle even if it feels like it is killing you to

stay still.

When you think that 5 minutes is up open your eyes and look at the

clock, you will most likely find that you've only been there a minute or

two. Try this once a day for a maximum of 5 minutes.

then when you find that you can reach 5 minutes easily extend this to 6

minutes. You will find that after a while you will have a good sense of

time and will be able to spend as long as you like in this state, You

may even lose the sense of your body altogether. This will also build up

your ability to concentrate or focus.

Then your meditations will be better focused and more effective.

 

 

Joe Estes [jestes1]

Friday, 3 August 2001 9:09 PM

Kundaliniyoga

Fidgeting and itching

 

 

The questions continue....

 

About 15 minutes into my meditation I find it difficult to maintain the

position where your hands are relaxed on your knees in gyan mudra. My

hands start to slide off my knees. I want to bend my elbows. I start

to shift trying to find a comfortable position. This as you can imagine

plays havoc with the concentration.

 

And then there are the itches. If I try to ignore they just become

worst, though sometimes they will go away. Oftentimes I give in and

scratch and that's the blissful end of it. Then again, sometimes they

break out into a veritable plehora of itches.

 

Such mundane problems, but they are a hinderance and any suggestions on

how to deal w/ them would be appreciated.

 

Joe

 

 

 

 

 

 

"OUR DESTINY IS TO BE HAPPY"

- Yogi Bhajan

 

You can UNSUBSCRIBE from this list at the Groups Member Center (My

Groups), or send mail to

Kundaliniyoga

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Hi All,

 

My name is Mel and I'm new here (been lurking for a

week or so...)and this is a problem I have off and on.

Here are some suggestions that work for me most of

the time.

 

First, I just try to sit perfectly still and work

through the annoyance--whatever it is. Often it will

dissipate on it's own within a minute or so. If that

doesn't work and I am really uncomfortable, I will

shift 'ever so slightly', like barely even a movement.

I try to do this without giving it too much

attention. This very small movement is often enough

to releave the discomfort and without distracting me

too much. I will then sit perfectly still again and

usually all is well. After trying the above, if the

discomfort continues to be extremely persistent and

distracting, I will sometimes stand and do a little

walking meditation for a few minutes, but it rarely

comes to that.

 

For itches or minor muscle twinges, ignoring them

usually works, but if not I try to pause my

meditation, not to scratch, but to give the itch or

twinge my full attention for a couple of minutes. Try

to concentrate, feel the itch, understand why and

where it's coming from. This usually makes it go

away--then I gently return to meditation. If this

doesn't work, I'll go ahead and give it a small,

slight scratch or adjustment, without worrying about

it and get on with meditation. In my opinion it's

better to break concentration for just a sec and get

over it than to blow 30 minutes of meditation worrying

about not scratching or fidgeting.

 

That's just my take, hopefully you can find some of it

useful.

 

Namaste,

--Mel

 

 

--- Joe Estes <jestes1 wrote:

> The questions continue....

>

> About 15 minutes into my meditation I find it

> difficult to maintain the position where your hands

> are relaxed on your knees in gyan mudra. My hands

> start to slide off my knees. I want to bend my

> elbows. I start to shift trying to find a

> comfortable position. This as you can imagine plays

> havoc with the concentration.

>

> And then there are the itches. If I try to ignore

> they just become worst, though sometimes they will

> go away. Oftentimes I give in and scratch and

> that's the blissful end of it. Then again,

> sometimes they break out into a veritable plehora of

> itches.

>

> Such mundane problems, but they are a hinderance and

> any suggestions on how to deal w/ them would be

> appreciated.

>

> Joe

 

 

 

 

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Dear Joe,

 

I know how you feel, maybe i can give u some idea of how i

deal with this. However, I dont do gyan mudra, i just put

my palms together facing up with thumbs touching, (what is

this mudra called anyway?) this is practical and peaceful

for me. About the itching *S, that does interrupt me from

time to time and it's annoying. Well, my suggestion to you

is think of bodily interruptions like your own thoughts.

What do we do with thoughts? we observe them pass with the

current of a river so to speak, we just watch them come and

go but dont identify with them. A bodily interruption

becomes a thought thats why it interrupts you, it's telling

you I'm itchy scratch meee!, and in a more psychological

level a thought just says I'm fantizising come with meee,

noooo just let them drown in the river! *s, sorry just

being silly. Well, the trick is the more you want to get

rid of the itch, the worse it will get and then you will

scratch. Like a thought, the mind gets tense when you make

it do something it's not used to. So what is the solution?

all these mind games are confusing to me too. Be an

observer, that is my best suggestion, observe the itch,

observe the thought of the itch, and it will go away on its

own. One good technique is trying to put more awareness to

your breath, mantra, whatever it may be that is your focus.

This wont happen overnite, mental power grows over time.

Everytime i have to scratch I usually just scratch, but

I've been getting more focused since I started, no rush *S

 

Love,

maria.

 

 

 

 

--- Joe Estes <jestes1 wrote:

> The questions continue....

>

> About 15 minutes into my meditation I find it difficult

> to maintain the position where your hands are relaxed on

> your knees in gyan mudra. My hands start to slide off my

> knees. I want to bend my elbows. I start to shift

> trying to find a comfortable position. This as you can

> imagine plays havoc with the concentration.

>

> And then there are the itches. If I try to ignore they

> just become worst, though sometimes they will go away.

> Oftentimes I give in and scratch and that's the blissful

> end of it. Then again, sometimes they break out into a

> veritable plehora of itches.

>

> Such mundane problems, but they are a hinderance and any

> suggestions on how to deal w/ them would be appreciated.

>

> Joe

>

>

>

>

>

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Dear Joe,

 

Try allowing instead of resisting.

 

Also you may need to stop and do more KY. Maybe the energy needs to move

and be used.

 

Sat Nam,

 

Gururattan Kaur

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