Guest guest Posted September 23, 2001 Report Share Posted September 23, 2001 Since I was very young, until now (I'm 48), I've had anger feelings like if an independent entity that lives inside me suddenly appears taking control, blinding my consciousness, and making a disaster, and after those anger expressions when I get calmed, my consciousness is back and sad feelings appear. In the last 10 years I've called this part of me "the monkey" , ... this monkey knows how and when, and never stops, it's always there, lives in the senses and the inner talk, always watching, waiting, inciting, showing a false reality. This inner talk is "his" favorite weapon, it's always repeating the same things, and in this way holds my world. And as Pieter wrote on one of his postings; --"the predispositions towards certain behavior in acting and reacting to situations that arise, which behaviour become more and more solidified as an identity that all actions and reactions are built around, such that the continued emergence of the True Man and True Woman (the Possible Human) becomes more and more restricted and bound."-- When I am centered , and my consciousness is on, I can see clearly that what pulls the trigger and makes this monkey alive is: FEAR Fear is the real enemy, and what gives life to this monkey, what makes it strong through the inner talk, and finally what lets him take control. I've watched myself after an anger episode, and always fear is hidden behind. Gururattan wrote a few days; --"fear, anger and sadness are the lions that block the gates to the heart"-- ¿Are these 3 negative emotions related to the lower triangle? ¿Could someone post the chakras involved in these 3 emotions in order of influence? ie, The first chakra has the same influence than third on fear issues? Peace and Light to All, Carlos Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Messenger. http://im. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2001 Report Share Posted September 26, 2001 Sat Nam Carlos, << Are these 3 negative emotions related to the lower triangle? Yes, the dormant energy that resides at the base of the spine, the serpent power or pure energy or Shakti as opposed to Shiva, pure consciousness; and it is the meeting of the of Shiva and Shakti, energy and consciousness, that is the aim of all yoga practice. Kundalini Shakti is the power of the Goddess, the synthesizer of the forces while the soul is within a physical body. ¿Could someone post the chakras involved in these 3 emotions in order of influence? ie, The first chakra has the same influence than third on fear issues? >> The Indian rishis have identified three knots or granthi which tend to create obstructions to the process of unification. These knots are located in the lower abdomen, at the heart and between the eyebrows, each having its root within the spinal cord. The first knot is the Brahma Granthi, the knot of Brahma, who is known as the Creator. It is related to the physical body and the material world, the world of name and form, that we can grasp with the five senses, desires and ambitions. Untying this knot is said to free us from the bonds of attachment to the material world, be it possessions, sex, to security. The second knot is the knot of Vishnu. This knot concerns our emotional attachments. Vishnu is the god of preservation. Devotion, faith ad love are the qualities of the heart chakra. Emotional attachment includes attachment to compassion, attachment to helping others, attachments that become a bond that prevent personal evolution. It must be untied by knowledge, wisdom and true discrimination. This is a knowledge or breadth of vision which is able to see the real purpose of the universe, the divine plan behind all traditions. It is also regarding detachment from deep-seated patterns within the individual, possibly the inherited patterns within the genetic code. Finally, the third knot is the knot at the brow centre, the knot of Rudra or the Knot of Shiva. This is the Ajna chakra, where the Ida and Pingala, the two nadis, meet. It is seen beyond duality, beyond the distinctions of the five elements(water, air, fire, metal and wood), beyond the confines of time and space. It is related to the causal body and the world of thought, ideas and visions. In yoga, the knot that must be untied is the one atached to intuitive vision and psychic powers. At each level it is the very mechanism of growth and development that must be left behind in order to move on. These three knots correspond to the second, fourth and sixth chakras. In understanding their interdimensional nature, we can understand the true mechanisms of healing. I will post more on all the chakras, as soon as I am done with them... Blessings to you, Sat Nam, Chama Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2001 Report Share Posted September 26, 2001 Sat Nam Chama, Thank you so much for your response, sometimes I find a little hard to put words to my inner life. About this "monkey" on endless movement, is a way that I've found to add some humor to those requests that come through the inner talk and the five senses, like desires and ambitions, that most of the time become automatic, until one stops and says, "¿who really is asking for this?" "¿do I really need it?" ... and then I realize what is going on, and say to myself; "oh, the monkey wants this, the monkey wants that". Through yoga, I've been able to experience that one, really needs very few things to live and to be happy, beyond to the perception of life through the five senses and the inner talk. When this inner talk together with the five senses stop, even for a few seconds, one can experiment being in contact with something that has no words to be expressed. Light and Peace to You, Carlos ................................... --- chamarel28 wrote: > Sat Nam Carlos, > > << Are these 3 negative emotions related to the > lower > triangle? > > Yes, the dormant energy that resides at the base of > the spine, the serpent > power or pure > energy or Shakti as opposed to Shiva, pure > consciousness; and it is the > meeting of the > of Shiva and Shakti, energy and consciousness, that > is the aim of all yoga > practice. Kundalini Shakti is the power of the > Goddess, the synthesizer of > the forces while the soul is within a physical body. > > > ¿Could someone post the chakras involved in these 3 > emotions in order of influence? > ie, The first chakra has the same influence than > third > on fear issues? >> > > > The Indian rishis have identified three knots or > granthi which tend to create > obstructions to the process of unification. These > knots are located in the > lower abdomen, at the heart and between the > eyebrows, each having its root > within the spinal cord. The first knot is the > Brahma Granthi, the knot of > Brahma, who is known as the Creator. It is related > to the > physical body and the material world, the world of > name and form, that we can > grasp with the five senses, desires and ambitions. > Untying this knot is said > to free us from the bonds of attachment to the > material world, be it > possessions, sex, to security. > > The second knot is the knot of Vishnu. This knot > concerns our emotional > attachments. > Vishnu is the god of preservation. Devotion, faith > ad love are the qualities > of the heart > chakra. Emotional attachment includes attachment to > compassion, attachment to > helping others, attachments that become a bond that > prevent personal > evolution. It must be > untied by knowledge, wisdom and true > discrimination. This is a knowledge or > breadth of vision which is able to see the real > purpose of the universe, the > divine plan behind all > traditions. It is also regarding detachment from > deep-seated patterns within > the individual, > possibly the inherited patterns within the genetic > code. > > Finally, the third knot is the knot at the brow > centre, the knot of Rudra or > the Knot of Shiva. This is the Ajna chakra, where > the Ida and Pingala, the > two nadis, meet. It is seen beyond duality, beyond > the distinctions of the > five elements(water, air, fire, metal and > wood), beyond the confines of time and space. It is > related to the causal > body and the world of thought, ideas and visions. > In yoga, the knot that > must be untied is the one > atached to intuitive vision and psychic powers. > > At each level it is the very mechanism of growth > and development that must > be left > behind in order to move on. These three knots > correspond to the second, > fourth and sixth chakras. In understanding their > interdimensional nature, we > can understand the true > mechanisms of healing. I will post more on all the > chakras, as soon as I am > done with them... > > Blessings to you, > Sat Nam, > Chama Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Messenger. http://im. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2001 Report Share Posted October 1, 2001 Hi Carlos Did you read the first lesson (or maybe the second) where the Gururattan described that while attending an ashram she had to get up very early in the morning 4.00, that she realized she had to just do it instead of remaking the decision and have lengthy internal dialogues with herself every morning. Sometimes this is the best way to deal with annoying inner dialogue. There is a Zen Buddhist story A forester was in the wood and he came to a glade. There was a strange animal that he had never seen before. The animal looked at him and said "I know what you are thinking, you are thinking what a strange animal I am and you have never seen a creature like me before." The woodsman was amazed and thought this talking animal is amazing, if I could catch it I could become rich. The animal said, "You are now thinking that you would like to catch me so that you can become rich" The woodsman became afraid - this animal could read his thoughts. It could get him into trouble, he should kill it. The animal looked at him and said "Now you want to kill me" Thereupon the woodsman tried to chase the animal and kill it. But the animal knew the woodsman's every thought and could anticipate his every move. The woodsman eventually gave up and returned to felling a tree. The animal appeared behind him and said. "I am still here, you are trying to ignore me" The woodsman went on felling the tree. "I won't go away, I am watching you." But the woodsman went on chopping the tree. Chop, chop, chop and after a while the strange creature disappeared. ---------------------------- It sounds like you might be having trouble with this creature! Your observations tie in with mine, the key for me is FEAR. I sometimes try and work out exactly what I am afraid of and then try to face it. Would it be so bad etc. I am not an expert but as I understand the lowest chakra is related to fear. The second is related to sexual/spiritual energy and the third to determination, will and anger. For me fear is the key emotion and at the source of other negative emotions - anger/hate etc. There are several meditations relating to opening the heart. Remember anger is just an intense energy arising. We tend to try and justify it or feel guilty because it arises but a baby gets angry when it is hungry. However we need to learn to hold that energy and not just get lost into it. Take a few cooling breaths and try to act wisely in the situation. Face the energy and learn to control it. Kundaliniyoga, Carlos Giacoman <cclx> wrote: > > Since I was very young, until now (I'm 48), I've had > anger feelings like if an independent entity that > lives inside me suddenly appears taking control, > blinding my consciousness, and making a disaster, and > after those anger expressions when I get calmed, > my consciousness is back and sad feelings appear. > > In the last 10 years I've called this part of me > "the monkey" , ... this monkey knows how and when, > and never stops, it's always there, lives in the > senses and the inner talk, always watching, waiting, > inciting, showing a false reality. > > This inner talk is "his" favorite weapon, it's always > repeating the same things, and in this way holds my > world. And as Pieter wrote on one of his postings; > > --"the predispositions towards certain behavior in > acting and reacting to situations that arise, which > behaviour become more and more solidified as an > identity that all actions and reactions are built > around, such that the continued emergence of the True > Man and True Woman (the Possible Human) becomes more > and more restricted and bound."-- > > When I am centered , and my consciousness is on, I can > see clearly that what pulls the trigger and makes this > monkey alive is: FEAR > > Fear is the real enemy, and what gives life to this > monkey, what makes it strong through the inner talk, > and finally what lets him take control. > I've watched myself after an anger episode, and always > fear is hidden behind. > > Gururattan wrote a few days; --"fear, anger and > sadness are the lions that block the gates to the > heart"-- > > ¿Are these 3 negative emotions related to the lower > triangle? > > ¿Could someone post the chakras involved in these 3 > emotions in order of influence? > ie, The first chakra has the same influence than third > on fear issues? > > Peace and Light to All, > > Carlos > > > > > > > > Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Messenger. http://im. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2001 Report Share Posted October 1, 2001 --- css01fr wrote: > Gururattan described that while attending an ashram > she had to get up very early in the morning 4.00, > that she realized she had to just do it instead of > remaking the decision and have lengthy internal > dialogues with herself every morning. Yes ,that's true, taking action is always better than getting lost dealing with annoying inner dialogue. > There is a Zen Buddhist story ..... > "I am still here, you are trying to ignore me" > The woodsman went on felling the tree. > "I won't go away, I am watching you." > But the woodsman went on chopping the tree. > > Chop, chop, chop and after a while the strange > creature disappeared. A very illustrative history about how this strange creature is always present in the inner dialogue, and the more you pay attention to, the more it grasps you. I think fear is our most primitive emotion, and I've noticed that most of the time appears through the inner dialogue with a mask like anger, low self esteem, sadness, etc. But the best part of all this :-) , it's that we are here in KY, supporting each other with our experiences, emotions, etc. and definitively we have a chance to make a change in our lives. Light & Peace to you, Carlos ............................................ > A forester was in the wood and he came to a glade. > There was a strange animal that he had never seen > before. The animal looked at him and said "I know > what you are thinking, you are thinking what a > strange animal I am and you have never seen a > creature like me before." > > The woodsman was amazed and thought this talking > animal is amazing, if I could catch it I could > become rich. > > The animal said, "You are now thinking that you > would like to catch > me so that you can become rich" > > The woodsman became afraid - this animal could read > his thoughts. It > could get him into trouble, he should kill it. > > The animal looked at him and said "Now you want to > kill me" > Thereupon the woodsman tried to chase the animal and > kill it. But > the animal knew the woodsman's every thought and > could anticipate his > every move. The woodsman eventually gave up and > returned to felling > a tree. The animal appeared behind him and said. > "I am still here, you are trying to ignore me" > The woodsman went on felling the tree. > "I won't go away, I am watching you." > But the woodsman went on chopping the tree. > > Chop, chop, chop and after a while the strange > creature disappeared. > > -------------------- > It sounds like you might be having trouble with this > creature! Your > observations tie in with mine, the key for me is > FEAR. I sometimes > try and work out exactly what I am afraid of and > then try to face > it. Would it be so bad etc. I am not an expert but > as I understand > the lowest chakra is related to fear. The second > is related to > sexual/spiritual energy and the third to > determination, will and > anger. For me fear is the key emotion and at the > source of other > negative emotions - anger/hate etc. There are > several meditations > relating to opening the heart. Remember anger is > just an intense > energy arising. We tend to try and justify it or > feel guilty because > it arises but a baby gets angry when it is hungry. > However we need > to learn to hold that energy and not just get lost > into it. Take a > few cooling breaths and try to act wisely in the > situation. Face the > energy and learn to control it. > > Kundaliniyoga, Carlos Giacoman > <cclx> wrote: > > > > Since I was very young, until now (I'm 48), I've > had > > anger feelings like if an independent entity that > > lives inside me suddenly appears taking control, > > blinding my consciousness, and making a disaster, > and > > after those anger expressions when I get calmed, > > my consciousness is back and sad feelings appear. > > > > In the last 10 years I've called this part of me > > "the monkey" , ... this monkey knows how and when, > > and never stops, it's always there, lives in the > > senses and the inner talk, always watching, > waiting, > > inciting, showing a false reality. > > > > This inner talk is "his" favorite weapon, it's > always > > repeating the same things, and in this way holds > my > > world. And as Pieter wrote on one of his > postings; > > > > --"the predispositions towards certain behavior in > > acting and reacting to situations that arise, > which > > behaviour become more and more solidified as an > > identity that all actions and reactions are built > > around, such that the continued emergence of the > True > > Man and True Woman (the Possible Human) becomes > more > > and more restricted and bound."-- > > > > When I am centered , and my consciousness is on, I > can > > see clearly that what pulls the trigger and makes > this > > monkey alive is: FEAR > > > > Fear is the real enemy, and what gives life to > this > > monkey, what makes it strong through the inner > talk, > > and finally what lets him take control. > > I've watched myself after an anger episode, and > always > > fear is hidden behind. > > > > Gururattan wrote a few days; --"fear, anger and > > sadness are the lions that block the gates to the > > heart"-- > > > > ¿Are these 3 negative emotions related to the > lower > > triangle? > > > > ¿Could someone post the chakras involved in these > 3 > > emotions in order of influence? > > ie, The first chakra has the same influence than > third > > on fear issues? > > > > Peace and Light to All, > > > > Carlos Listen to your Mail messages from any phone. http://phone. 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