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hello group

 

i would appreciate your opinions as to whether the life force is present in

tobacco, since i noticed that some south american tribes smoke tobacco to

commune with the divine. also ethiopian people amungst others drink copious

amounts of very strong coffee for a similar reason. and then there are drugs

and alcohol all of which elevate the spirit to new dimensions. i realise that

a greater awarness can be achieved with regular meditation but my question is

as follows; are these substances taken in moderation and with discipline

necessarily bad.

 

sat nam

stephen

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> i would appreciate your opinions as to whether the

> life force is present in

> tobacco, since i noticed that some south american

> tribes smoke tobacco to commune with the divine.

north american tribes are also known for tobacco use,

especially the Lakota, who use the sacred pipe with

all seven of their holy rites, as well as praying, and

many other things. Dr. Alan Ross gives an explanation

for it in his excellent book , Mitakoye Oyassin. In it

he explains that the nicotine alters brain waves and

allows a clearer mind when praying to the Great

Mystery or when talking to the spirits.

 

> also ethiopian people amungst others drink copious

> amounts of very strong coffee for a similar reason.

 

considering that coffee was first discovered and

cultivated in the Middle East, this is no big

surprise. The Koran even talks about the sacredness of

coffee. I would assume that this, like the nicotine in

tobacco, causes a change in brain waves allowing a

feeling of closer connection to the divine.

 

> and then there are drugs

> and alcohol all of which elevate the spirit to new

> dimensions. i realise that

> a greater awarness can be achieved with regular

> meditation but my question is

> as follows; are these substances taken in moderation

> and with discipline

> necessarily bad.

 

i do not wish to condone any drug use what-so-ever,

however, my kundalini was awoken in february while on

LSD out the woods. while drugs can wreak havoc on our

bodies they can cause changes in consciousness,

elevation of energy vibrations, and opening up of

parts of the spirit that (while any serious practioner

of meditation and energy movement can do the same with

work and practice), would otherwise go untapped for a

regular person who knows nothing of these forces.

thats just my take on things...

--paul f.

 

 

 

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I can't say much about tobacco except that there is a Bach flower treatment made

from it that helps folks connect the heart and mind. I have had

it prescribed for me and some really old disconnections were brought to the

surface and resolved.

 

Dharam

 

sadhuyogi wrote:

 

> hello group

>

> i would appreciate your opinions as to whether the life force is present in

> tobacco, since i noticed that some south american tribes smoke tobacco to

> commune with the divine. also ethiopian people amungst others drink copious

> amounts of very strong coffee for a similar reason. and then there are drugs

> and alcohol all of which elevate the spirit to new dimensions. i realise that

> a greater awarness can be achieved with regular meditation but my question is

> as follows; are these substances taken in moderation and with discipline

> necessarily bad.

>

> sat nam

> stephen

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Kundaliniyoga, <tibetman> wrote:

>

> > i would appreciate your opinions as to whether the

> > life force is present in

> > tobacco, since i noticed that some south american

> > tribes smoke tobacco to commune with the divine.

> north american tribes are also known for tobacco use,

> especially the Lakota, who use the sacred pipe with

> all seven of their holy rites, as well as praying, and

> many other things. Dr. Alan Ross gives an explanation

> for it in his excellent book , Mitakoye Oyassin. In it

> he explains that the nicotine alters brain waves and

> allows a clearer mind when praying to the Great

> Mystery or when talking to the spirits.

>

Interestingly the effect on a regular smokers body is opposite to

that of someone who doesn't smoke. I can't remember which way round

it is, but in one the parasympathetic nervous system is stimulated

and for the other the sympathetic nervous system.

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I can't say much about tobacco except that there is a Bach flower

treatment made from it that helps folks connect the heart and mind. I

have had

it prescribed for me and some really old disconnections were brought to

the surface and resolved.

 

Dharam

 

sadhuyogi wrote:

 

> hello group

>

> i would appreciate your opinions as to whether the life force is present in

> tobacco, since i noticed that some south american tribes smoke tobacco to

> commune with the divine. also ethiopian people amungst others drink copious

> amounts of very strong coffee for a similar reason. and then there are drugs

> and alcohol all of which elevate the spirit to new dimensions. i realise that

> a greater awarness can be achieved with regular meditation but my question is

> as follows; are these substances taken in moderation and with discipline

> necessarily bad.

>

> sat nam

> stephen

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