Guest guest Posted January 14, 2002 Report Share Posted January 14, 2002 Since returning to vegetarianism a couple years ago (I still eat eggs and milk products) I have relied heavily on soy products for protein and for providing a "meat-like" element to my diet (in the form of tofu). I was under the impression that soy was pretty much a wonder food with no negative side-effects (except for those people who are allergic). Recently, I began substituting soy milk instead of cow milk on my cereal in the morning. Then, I heard a dietitian on a public radio station this morning recounting all sorts of negative effects of using soy products. The "expert" warned that scientific studies show that soy robs bones of calcium, can damage the thyroid, and even injure the optic nerves, causing blindness. Is there any truth to this? Are those of you who are informed about diet for ky practitioners concerned about the use of soy products? Do you recommend limiting use of soy products? Any insight would be appreciated. Thanks, Steve Porter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2002 Report Share Posted January 14, 2002 Kundaliniyoga, "A. Steven Porter" <asp@m...> wrote: > Since returning to vegetarianism a couple years ago (I still eat eggs > and milk products) I have relied heavily on soy products for protein and > for providing a "meat-like" element to my diet (in the form of tofu). I > was under the impression that soy was pretty much a wonder food with no > negative side-effects (except for those people who are allergic). > Recently, I began substituting soy milk instead of cow milk on my cereal > in the morning. Then, I heard a dietitian on a public radio station this > morning recounting all sorts of negative effects of using soy products. > The "expert" warned that scientific studies show that soy robs bones of > calcium, can damage the thyroid, and even injure the optic nerves, > causing blindness. Is there any truth to this? Are those of you who are > informed about diet for ky practitioners concerned about the use of soy > products? Do you recommend limiting use of soy products? > > Any insight would be appreciated. > > Thanks, Steve Porter EVERYTHING, good and bad, has been said about just about EVERY food out there. Listen to your body. One note though- the Japanese have not seemed to have suffered any ill effects, and soy makes up a good portion of thier diet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2002 Report Share Posted January 14, 2002 I too heard our local holistic doctor say some encouraging words for soy...products. I'm sure there were other things that people do that would offset the goodness of using soy products. I think it's a balance; we need to eat a variety of foods, and I also eat some tofu but have soy milk every day... I will wait to hear any more news on that subject but believe soy milk is much better than drinking cows milk... Deanna ~*~If anything were possible (quickly, easily & now), what would my life look like? Who would be in it? What would I be doing? Where would I be living? What would I look & feel like? I must take this person into the future with me & let her become everything she ever dreamed she would be. ~ C.N. @( * * )@ & Nizhoni Tipsoo 'Woof!' @==@ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2002 Report Share Posted January 14, 2002 John, Thanks for your response. You wrote: > the Japanese have not seemed to have suffered any ill effects, and > soy makes up a good portion of thier diet. The dietitian on the radio had a response for this -- at least as regards the thyroid. She claimed that the Japanese eat sufficient amounts of sea kelp to prevent the negative effects of soy on the thyroid. She also warned about lifting individual elements from the diets of other cultures without taking into the account the over all diet because of the danger of missing the effects of the interactions of the various elements of the overall diets. Steve Porter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2002 Report Share Posted January 14, 2002 The language used in communicating this info is important. Using the phrase "negative effects" doesn't serve well. Soy may be lacking in Iodine and so you will need another source but soy doesn't negatively effect the thyroid....let's be clear on this. That being said, there is some validity regarding the use of kelp when relying on a lot of soy. I like her/your point on "lifting individual elements from the diets of other cultures". That makes so much sense, ayurveda eating being an enormous example. Dharam "A. Steven Porter" wrote: > John, > > Thanks for your response. You wrote: > > > the Japanese have not seemed to have suffered any ill effects, and > > soy makes up a good portion of thier diet. > > The dietitian on the radio had a response for this -- at least as regards the thyroid. She claimed that the Japanese eat sufficient amounts of sea > kelp to prevent the negative effects of soy on the thyroid. She also warned about lifting individual elements from the diets of other cultures > without taking into the account the over all diet because of the danger of missing the effects of the interactions of the various elements of the > overall diets. > > Steve Porter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2002 Report Share Posted January 14, 2002 I did a quick search on Google and found the following article: Calcium in the Vegan Diet by Reed Mangels, Ph.D., R.D. http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/calcium.htm As well, speaking about milk, a nutritionist made the comment that soy milk and cow's milk are both hard to regularly process through your body and that rice milk would be a preferable choice when drinking on a regular basis. Sat Nam, Louis ----Original Message Follows---- crescentia Kundaliniyoga Kundaliniyoga Re: Re: Soy beans Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:40:38 -0500 I too heard our local holistic doctor say some encouraging words for soy...products. I'm sure there were other things that people do that would offset the goodness of using soy products. I think it's a balance; we need to eat a variety of foods, and I also eat some tofu but have soy milk every day... I will wait to hear any more news on that subject but believe soy milk is much better than drinking cows milk... Deanna _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2002 Report Share Posted January 14, 2002 I've been reading some very negative stuff about soy products, and the problem seems to be with products that have not been fermented - the traditional food - miso and tamari - are and the fermentation destroys the anti nutritional factors. One study done on elderly janpanese men linked a diet high in tofu with increasing levels of mental impairment as they got older. It seems that reliance on tofu and the sort of soy substitutes available as major protein sources may not be the best idea. i would suggest researching the subject - there is plenty of information on the net- and making your own decision. Personally, I switched to almond milk and only use soy sparingly. Avtar K. On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:48:09 -0600 "A. Steven Porter" <asp writes: > > > John, > > Thanks for your response. You wrote: > > > the Japanese have not seemed to have suffered any ill effects, > and > > soy makes up a good portion of thier diet. > > > ______________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2002 Report Share Posted January 15, 2002 When all the paranoia is thrown into the ring with actual evidence from credulent studies, the paranoia is usually beaten senseless. Link to article about studies on Soy by the NCTR: http://www.beansupreme.co.nz/soyHealth/soy_and_thyroid_funct ion.htm Granted the article mentions that unaffected people were also consuming a fair amount of minerals (which couteracts the thyroid suppression) I should point out that any diet that features a lot of proteins, but no minerals, will cause thyroid trouble. It is NOT specific to soy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2002 Report Share Posted January 15, 2002 Greetings, All: Here is a link to an article about soy from Nexus Magazine: http://www.nexusmagazine.com/soydangers.html Sat nam, Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2002 Report Share Posted January 15, 2002 Sat Nam Steve, Soy can have an effect on the thyroid. There was an article somewhere that stated that. I have an Akita (dog) who cannot have soy products because it will weaken their thyroid. In the morning, instead of using soy milk you can try oat milk. Blessings, Samantha - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2002 Report Share Posted January 15, 2002 > I like her/your point on "lifting individual elements from the diets of other cultures". This also sounds along the lines of Microbotic philosophy. Samantha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2002 Report Share Posted July 2, 2002 http://www.beansupreme.co.nz/soyHealth/soy_and_thyroid_funct Has the above web site changed? I tried to access it and it cannot be found. Samantha - "quaijohncain" <quaijohncain <Kundaliniyoga> Tuesday, January 15, 2002 2:23 PM Re: Soy beans > When all the paranoia is thrown into the ring with actual evidence > from credulent studies, the paranoia is usually beaten > senseless. > > > Granted the article mentions that unaffected people were also > consuming a fair amount of minerals (which couteracts the > thyroid suppression) I should point out that any diet that features > a lot of proteins, but no minerals, will cause thyroid trouble. It is > NOT specific to soy. > .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2002 Report Share Posted July 3, 2002 Looks like you're just missing an extension, here is the full URL http://www.beansupreme.co.nz/soyHealth/soy_and_thyroid_function.htm SAT NAM! elle ----Original Message Follows---- "Samantha" <star44 Kundaliniyoga <Kundaliniyoga> Re: Re: Soy beans Tue, 2 Jul 2002 11:08:37 -0400 http://www.beansupreme.co.nz/soyHealth/soy_and_thyroid_funct Has the above web site changed? I tried to access it and it cannot be found. Samantha - "quaijohncain" <quaijohncain <Kundaliniyoga> Tuesday, January 15, 2002 2:23 PM Re: Soy beans > When all the paranoia is thrown into the ring with actual evidence > from credulent studies, the paranoia is usually beaten > senseless. > > > Granted the article mentions that unaffected people were also > consuming a fair amount of minerals (which couteracts the > thyroid suppression) I should point out that any diet that features > a lot of proteins, but no minerals, will cause thyroid trouble. It is > NOT specific to soy. > .. _ om on the web: www.nirvana-yoga.com join an online yoga discussion list! email: yogalist- breathe in love, breathe out joy _ _______________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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