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Since returning to vegetarianism a couple years ago (I still eat eggs

and milk products) I have relied heavily on soy products for protein and

for providing a "meat-like" element to my diet (in the form of tofu). I

was under the impression that soy was pretty much a wonder food with no

negative side-effects (except for those people who are allergic).

Recently, I began substituting soy milk instead of cow milk on my cereal

in the morning. Then, I heard a dietitian on a public radio station this

morning recounting all sorts of negative effects of using soy products.

The "expert" warned that scientific studies show that soy robs bones of

calcium, can damage the thyroid, and even injure the optic nerves,

causing blindness. Is there any truth to this? Are those of you who are

informed about diet for ky practitioners concerned about the use of soy

products? Do you recommend limiting use of soy products?

 

Any insight would be appreciated.

 

Thanks, Steve Porter

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Kundaliniyoga, "A. Steven Porter" <asp@m...> wrote:

> Since returning to vegetarianism a couple years ago (I still eat

eggs

> and milk products) I have relied heavily on soy products for

protein and

> for providing a "meat-like" element to my diet (in the form of

tofu). I

> was under the impression that soy was pretty much a wonder

food with no

> negative side-effects (except for those people who are

allergic).

> Recently, I began substituting soy milk instead of cow milk on

my cereal

> in the morning. Then, I heard a dietitian on a public radio

station this

> morning recounting all sorts of negative effects of using soy

products.

> The "expert" warned that scientific studies show that soy robs

bones of

> calcium, can damage the thyroid, and even injure the optic

nerves,

> causing blindness. Is there any truth to this? Are those of you

who are

> informed about diet for ky practitioners concerned about the

use of soy

> products? Do you recommend limiting use of soy products?

>

> Any insight would be appreciated.

>

> Thanks, Steve Porter

 

EVERYTHING, good and bad, has been said about just about

EVERY food out there. Listen to your body. One note though- the

Japanese have not seemed to have suffered any ill effects, and

soy makes up a good portion of thier diet.

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I too heard our local holistic doctor say some encouraging words for

soy...products.

I'm sure there were other things that people do that would offset the

goodness of using soy products.

I think it's a balance; we need to eat a variety of foods, and I also eat

some tofu but have soy milk every day...

I will wait to hear any more news on that subject but believe soy milk is

much better than drinking cows milk...

Deanna

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John,

 

Thanks for your response. You wrote:

 

> the Japanese have not seemed to have suffered any ill effects, and

> soy makes up a good portion of thier diet.

 

The dietitian on the radio had a response for this -- at least as regards the

thyroid. She claimed that the Japanese eat sufficient amounts of sea

kelp to prevent the negative effects of soy on the thyroid. She also warned

about lifting individual elements from the diets of other cultures

without taking into the account the over all diet because of the danger of

missing the effects of the interactions of the various elements of the

overall diets.

 

Steve Porter

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The language used in communicating this info is important. Using the phrase

"negative effects" doesn't serve well. Soy may be lacking in Iodine and so

you will need another source but soy doesn't negatively effect the

thyroid....let's be clear on this. That being said, there is some validity

regarding the use of kelp when relying on a lot of soy.

I like her/your point on "lifting individual elements from the diets of other

cultures".

That makes so much sense, ayurveda eating being an enormous example.

Dharam

 

"A. Steven Porter" wrote:

 

> John,

>

> Thanks for your response. You wrote:

>

> > the Japanese have not seemed to have suffered any ill effects, and

> > soy makes up a good portion of thier diet.

>

> The dietitian on the radio had a response for this -- at least as regards the

thyroid. She claimed that the Japanese eat sufficient amounts of sea

> kelp to prevent the negative effects of soy on the thyroid. She also warned

about lifting individual elements from the diets of other cultures

> without taking into the account the over all diet because of the danger of

missing the effects of the interactions of the various elements of the

> overall diets.

>

> Steve Porter

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I did a quick search on Google and found the following article:

 

Calcium in the Vegan Diet

by Reed Mangels, Ph.D., R.D.

http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/calcium.htm

 

As well, speaking about milk, a nutritionist made the comment that soy milk

and cow's milk are both hard to regularly process through your body and that

rice milk would be a preferable choice when drinking on a regular basis.

 

Sat Nam,

Louis

 

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Kundaliniyoga

Kundaliniyoga

Re: Re: Soy beans

Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:40:38 -0500

 

I too heard our local holistic doctor say some encouraging words for

soy...products. I'm sure there were other things that people do that would

offset the goodness of using soy products. I think it's a balance; we need

to eat a variety of foods, and I also eat some tofu but have soy milk every

day... I will wait to hear any more news on that subject but believe soy

milk is much better than drinking cows milk...

Deanna

 

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I've been reading some very negative stuff about soy products, and the

problem seems to be with products that have not been fermented - the

traditional food - miso and tamari - are and the fermentation destroys

the anti nutritional factors. One study done on elderly janpanese men

linked a diet high in tofu with increasing levels of mental impairment as

they got older. It seems that reliance on tofu and the sort of soy

substitutes available as major protein sources may not be the best idea.

i would suggest researching the subject - there is plenty of information

on the net- and making your own decision. Personally, I switched to

almond milk and only use soy sparingly.

 

Avtar K.

 

On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:48:09 -0600 "A. Steven Porter" <asp

writes:

>

>

> John,

>

> Thanks for your response. You wrote:

>

> > the Japanese have not seemed to have suffered any ill effects,

> and

> > soy makes up a good portion of thier diet.

>

> >

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When all the paranoia is thrown into the ring with actual evidence

from credulent studies, the paranoia is usually beaten

senseless.

 

Link to article about studies on Soy by the NCTR:

 

http://www.beansupreme.co.nz/soyHealth/soy_and_thyroid_funct

ion.htm

 

Granted the article mentions that unaffected people were also

consuming a fair amount of minerals (which couteracts the

thyroid suppression) I should point out that any diet that features

a lot of proteins, but no minerals, will cause thyroid trouble. It is

NOT specific to soy.

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Sat Nam Steve,

 

Soy can have an effect on the thyroid. There was an article somewhere that

stated that.

 

I have an Akita (dog) who cannot have soy products because it will weaken

their thyroid.

 

In the morning, instead of using soy milk you can try oat milk.

 

Blessings, Samantha

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http://www.beansupreme.co.nz/soyHealth/soy_and_thyroid_funct

 

Has the above web site changed? I tried to access it and it cannot be

found.

 

Samantha

 

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"quaijohncain" <quaijohncain

<Kundaliniyoga>

Tuesday, January 15, 2002 2:23 PM

Re: Soy beans

 

 

> When all the paranoia is thrown into the ring with actual evidence

> from credulent studies, the paranoia is usually beaten

> senseless.

>

>

> Granted the article mentions that unaffected people were also

> consuming a fair amount of minerals (which couteracts the

> thyroid suppression) I should point out that any diet that features

> a lot of proteins, but no minerals, will cause thyroid trouble. It is

> NOT specific to soy.

>

..

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Looks like you're just missing an extension, here is the full URL

 

http://www.beansupreme.co.nz/soyHealth/soy_and_thyroid_function.htm

 

SAT NAM!

elle

 

 

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"Samantha" <star44

Kundaliniyoga

<Kundaliniyoga>

Re: Re: Soy beans

Tue, 2 Jul 2002 11:08:37 -0400

 

http://www.beansupreme.co.nz/soyHealth/soy_and_thyroid_funct

 

Has the above web site changed? I tried to access it and it cannot be

found.

 

Samantha

 

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"quaijohncain" <quaijohncain

<Kundaliniyoga>

Tuesday, January 15, 2002 2:23 PM

Re: Soy beans

 

 

> When all the paranoia is thrown into the ring with actual evidence

> from credulent studies, the paranoia is usually beaten

> senseless.

>

>

> Granted the article mentions that unaffected people were also

> consuming a fair amount of minerals (which couteracts the

> thyroid suppression) I should point out that any diet that features

> a lot of proteins, but no minerals, will cause thyroid trouble. It is

> NOT specific to soy.

>

..

 

 

 

 

 

 

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