accident question

[Guest guest]

Pam

Your email made me smile (well, not the unkind private email you

received) I fell in love with physics in university and I love to

discover that many civilizations came to such complex theories without

the complex math;-)

When I read about your dog, I wondered with bemusement what was up with

that? The nature of these dogs is to police, herd, protect, to keep

their charges on the right path... I was wondering if something in your

life was affecting you in a way that created a disruption in your life

and your dog was responding to a shift in your presence.

Quantum mechanics never awed me, it seemed so basic. When you consider

existence on a molecular/energy level, the effect of energy levels on

discrete shifts; the concept that the shift in air from a butterflies

wing can effect a rock is not so strange. Extrapolate to the energy

fields of our chakras, it isn't so odd to think a creature with senses

finely tuned to minute changes linked to primal survival, would not tune

into a shift in someone he loves and naturally feels protective. I

remember once sitting in my yard at night, when my wolf/malamute began

growling, with hackles raised -frankly she freaked me out and I went

inside -a few moments later lightning struck very near where I was

sitting!

Anyway, that's my two cents, if I were you I would exam what was

happening in my life.

walk in beauty, find harmony and rest

-cris

 

On Thursday, May 2, 2002, at 02:34 AM, PamENixon wrote:

 

> But, I was

> examining how order governs all things, and that in nature there are no

> accidents. In a closed system the probability of things happening can

> be

> calculated by math and physics. This Universe in which we live is

> such a

> closed system. The basic premise being that all things large or small

> are in

> motion.

 

Cris Naugle

SpiralXdesign, Inc

http://www.spiralxdesign.com

 

Walk in Beauty

[Guest guest]

Hello Pam,

 

I work with protection dogs. It is quite a high to interact with such

intelligent, athletic creatures. However, they are very powerful, not your

normal pet type of movements. I try to match my actions to that of the dog.

Learn to think and move like the dog. This comes from within you and from

reading the dog. Also, each one is different so you must adapt.

 

It is the highest compliment that your dog wants to play like this and is

full out running happy. He has accepted you as one of his own. If you

don't feel up to the match, try deflecting the attention elsewhere like to a

ball, frisbee or pull toy. That way he can exert his happiness and you stay

in one piece. Also, when things get out of hand, try calming yourself way

down, again from deep within (dogs sense this) and speak softly "easy, easy"

and maybe produce a small bit of food from your pocket. Round your

shoulders, soften your knees and relax way down. You may have to wait him

out the first few times you do this. Now you will have a soft command

"easy" for when things get rough and you both can calm down the mood a bit.

Another tactic is the old bull fighter move of turning sideways as he tries

to ram into you, then immediately go soft and calm.

 

I hope you heal soon. I hope I wasn't way off point. Just trying to help

you and your doggie. Congratulations on having a happy, healthy canine

friend.

 

-Heidi

[Guest guest]

Heidi,

 

Thank you for your comments. I usually respond and move with my border

collies, but not that day! I grew up with collies, and recently did rescue

work. However, I am examining whether I am attracting things to happen to me

to prevent me from teaching KY--some resistance. I have been feeling lately

like I need to choose between teaching KY and doing all of my animal advocacy

work, like it is an either/or decision. I realize I can do both, but I have

thrown myself into animal rescue and education work, and it has literally

consumed me--emotionally and time wise. Kundalini Yoga and animal advocacy

are both my path and passion.

 

I was wondering what other KY teachers have encountered along their paths in

terms of resistance, or feeling unworthy of teaching.

 

Sat Nam,

Nirmal Kaur

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Heidi B. Sanner

 

Sat Nam

 

With all your expertise on dogs, maybe you could also help me with my cat?

Not sure that I should be asking you about this, but I want to ask someone.

I want to do Sat Nam Rasayam with my cat, but I hesitate. I know just

experiment.

 

I have been very busy working and don't have much time to cuddle with my cat

or scratch her. During Kundalini class, I remove her if she insists on

sitting on people's laps or trying to get a scratch out of Gian Mudra. So I

think she is mad at me. She now takes every opportunity to pee on my

clothes. She has a wide choice of people's clothes to pee on, but she is

focused on me now. (She does this to other people too at other times.) She

is a small Siamese. Also, I am the animal trainer in the family. So no one

is as strict as me. I have let out my wrath on her by bundling her up in

the sheets that she urinated on and yelling at her. Now I just give up

because getting mad does nothing. She understands how frustrated I am and

even talking to her about it, she looks a bit embarassed. But she does not

stop.

 

Does a cat have sacred space? The anwer that everything including inanamate

objects have sacred space seems possible. I do reiki and shiatsu on my

animals, but Sat Nam Rasayam seems different. To me, sacred space seems

distinctly human. My animals are very sensitive and enjoy pranna. Is there

more that they enjoy?

 

Gian Kaur

[Guest guest]

Hello Pam,

 

I'm glad you received my message. I notice it did not make it to the list.

Gordon must have forwarded it to you. I hope you do not think my

suggestions were beneath your experience.

 

I am also torn between my work with animals that I love and my demanding job

as an accountant. I really only work so I can afford the farm, equipment,

food ect. necessary to provide for the animals. I also have one rescue, a

Belgian Malinois :-)

 

However, the job suffers. Employers expect long hours and weekends these

days and that is not fair to my furry friends, or to me come to think of it.

 

Your reply lets me know that I am not alone in this balancing act. I hope

you find a way to combine your passions. I'm trying to learn to recognize

what blocks I put in front of my way. I do know that it is me putting them

there. It is time to feel worthy and break through.

 

Blessings to you and your choices,

-Heidi

 

 

PamENixon <PamENixon

Kundaliniyoga <Kundaliniyoga>

Thursday, May 02, 2002 4:16 PM

Re: accident question

 

 

>Heidi,

>

>Thank you for your comments. I usually respond and move with my border

>collies, but not that day! I grew up with collies, and recently did rescue

>work. However, I am examining whether I am attracting things to happen to

me

>to prevent me from teaching KY--some resistance. I have been feeling

lately

>like I need to choose between teaching KY and doing all of my animal

advocacy

>work, like it is an either/or decision. I realize I can do both, but I

have

>thrown myself into animal rescue and education work, and it has literally

>consumed me--emotionally and time wise. Kundalini Yoga and animal advocacy

>are both my path and passion.

>

>I was wondering what other KY teachers have encountered along their paths

in

>terms of resistance, or feeling unworthy of teaching.

>

>Sat Nam,

>Nirmal Kaur

>

>

>

>

>

>

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> - Yogi Bhajan

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Heidi

 

Your message was on the list this morning. I do not forward messages - they

either get passed to the list or they don't!

:-)

 

In any case, Mehtab (Brian) is on duty this week.

 

Sat Nam!

Gordon

 

-

"Heidi B. Sanner" <hbsanner

 

> Hello Pam,

>

> I'm glad you received my message. I notice it did not make it to the

list.

> Gordon must have forwarded it to you. I hope you do not think my

> suggestions were beneath your experience.

[Guest guest]

Dear Gian Kaur,

 

Do Sat Nam Rasayan on yourself and your cat. Animals do have sacred space

and it is fine to do SNR on them. She is asking for respect, attention and

love. Someone else might have more animal specific insights than me.

Change your space and she will change.

 

SAt Nam,

 

Gururattan Kaur

[Guest guest]

Hello Gian Kaur,

 

I am not an authority on cats. However, I do relate well with all animals

and know a bit about animal behavior. These are my opinions based on my

experience addressing what I see in your email.

 

First, please, please remember that "wrath" or anger or disrespect of any

sort has no place or meaning in the animal kingdom. As such, they are far

ahead of humans. I expell students from my training classes if they show

any signs of anger or loss of control with their animals. No, not, never do

this. That said, wrapping a cat in a urine soaked article and yelling at it

is certainly embarrassing and demeaning to the animal. It also further

serves to rub the smell all over her and force her to become accustomed to

this being the norm. Not the result you want to obtain. Animals are by

nature very clean about theirselves and their surroundings. Especially

cats. I must ask, what do you think you accomplish by such an action.

Would you wrap a child in its urine soaked sheets and yell at her to expect

her to behave differently? No, the child would probably be a neurotic,

nervous nut case as a result of such treatment. The same is with all

creatures. They deserve the preservation of dignity. What would you think

of a parent who wrapped you in urine soaked articles and yelled at you. I

think I would urinate more and more out of total confusion, fright and

mental illness. This may be hard for you to hear but I say these things to

help you understand.

 

Why does the cat urinate on your clothes? Simple, you are the leader, the

caregiver, the one whose attention and affection she craves. She is marking

you, selecting you, doing what you do. Try to think of it as a kind of

compliment...albite a rather strange one :-)

 

Is a clean, and I mean spotless, scraped, rinsed out and dried, litter

available to her at ALL times? She should never be denied access to this

for any reason. Do not lock her in a room for even short amounts of time.

She knows she can not get to the box and it plays mind games with her.

 

I suspect she needs more constructive play and true attention on her terms,

not yours. This means not forcing your chosen paths upon her. Perhaps

Reiki, shiatsu or KY is not her thing. Animals are far ahead of us in these

areas. They know more and are more in touch than us. Believe me. It is

amazing what they can share if you are truly open. It is a nice thought for

you to want to share these things with your cat. However, I don't think you

are sending the signals you intend. You could indeed be messing around with

her energies. Would you want someone imposing these things on you without

your say?

 

If the animals want to investigate or participate, they will come to you as

you practice. It sounds like she does this. Requests a "scratch" and you

remove her. What kind of signal is that? I come to you pure in spirit to

share in what you are doing and you throw me out? I ask what are you doing,

it looks like fun and you shun me? How can I get close and relate? Ah, the

one thing and most potent way I know. To share my scent with you. Pee on

your clothes. Then surely you will accept me for my beautiful self. My

purr, my love, my fur, the way I smell. Then surely you will quit trying to

impose your human undrstandings upon me and accept me for who I am. Isn't

that what KY is all about. Don't you see?

 

Sometimes when I practice, I let the animals remain in the room. However,

this is with the understanding that if they approach me. I will be

receptive, let them sniff about or sometimes they get real enthused and jump

upon me or bite at me and then we play and have a good belly laugh. This is

a special, happy time.

 

If I need some serious practice time for myself. I put them in their

kennels or crates in an area where they can not see or hear me (or as best

removed as you can). They get a toy or treat or chew to keep them occupied.

Sometimes they fuss a bit. That is O.K., I let them fuss. Then I work on

myself. You see, they are removed before I start, not as a punishment for

attempted interaction. In the latter, they would probably run over and tear

up my shoes. In the former, we are all happily doing our own thing. I hope

you are getting the picture.

 

If you are having a class. Please remove the animals before you start. You

do not want them to think of the removal as a punishment, but rather as a

private time with a nice treat reward. Isn't this the kind of environment

you are trying to establish with KY practice anyway? Private time with a

nice reward? I can't imagine having a class and expecting people to tune

into theirselves with animals and distractions around.

 

As you can see, I love animals. I am very passionate about their treatment

and well being. I am not one of those ouchy, couchy, puppy, kitty types.

However, I treat my animal friends with true respect, dignity and appreciate

them for what they are. I also expect a lot from them in return. They are

champions in obedience, tracking and protection. They escort me through

crowded hotels, public stations and shopping malls. They will play with

children, yet take the jugular out of an assailant. And they conduct

theirselves beautifully to the amazement of the public, seasoned judges and

vets. I often have parents stop me to ask if I can train their children

like that :-)

 

I do beg of you, if you can not control your thoughts of dominance over the

cat, or feelings of anger or frustration. Please find it a home where such

does not exist. This is not helping you or the animal. If you wish to keep

her. Please try to think like a cat. Understand her actions in her terms,

not human terms. Do a lot of reading. A lot of reading. Just because

something is in a book, does not mean it is true. It was just put down to

make money for the author. Mostly, try to love and respect her for what she

is. Please do not impose your practices on her unless she solicits them.

And then, most importantly then, show her the love, light and play that KY

practice intends.

 

Best of luck to you and give the cat loving attention for me when SHE asks

for it,

-Heidi

 

 

Ellen Madono <vze3dssf

Kundaliniyoga <Kundaliniyoga>

Thursday, May 02, 2002 8:39 PM

Re: accident question

 

 

>Heidi B. Sanner

>

>Sat Nam

>

>With all your expertise on dogs, maybe you could also help me with my cat?

>Not sure that I should be asking you about this, but I want to ask someone.

>I want to do Sat Nam Rasayam with my cat, but I hesitate. I know just

>experiment.

>

>I have been very busy working and don't have much time to cuddle with my

cat

>or scratch her. During Kundalini class, I remove her if she insists on

>sitting on people's laps or trying to get a scratch out of Gian Mudra. So

I

>think she is mad at me. She now takes every opportunity to pee on my

>clothes. She has a wide choice of people's clothes to pee on, but she is

>focused on me now. (She does this to other people too at other times.)

She

>is a small Siamese. Also, I am the animal trainer in the family. So no

one

>is as strict as me. I have let out my wrath on her by bundling her up in

>the sheets that she urinated on and yelling at her. Now I just give up

>because getting mad does nothing. She understands how frustrated I am and

>even talking to her about it, she looks a bit embarassed. But she does not

>stop.

>

>Does a cat have sacred space? The anwer that everything including

inanamate

>objects have sacred space seems possible. I do reiki and shiatsu on my

>animals, but Sat Nam Rasayam seems different. To me, sacred space seems

>distinctly human. My animals are very sensitive and enjoy pranna. Is

there

>more that they enjoy?

>

>Gian Kaur

>

>

>

>

>"OUR DESTINY IS TO BE HAPPY"

> - Yogi Bhajan

>

>You can UNSUBSCRIBE from this list at the Groups Member Center (My

Groups), or send mail to

>Kundaliniyoga

>NO UNSUBSCRIBE REQUESTS TO THE LIST PLEASE!

>WEB SITE: kundalini yoga

>

>KUNDALINI YOGA ON-LINE TRAINING. Details from

>kundalini yogaclasses.html

>

>Sponsored by YOGA TECHNOLOGY - Practical Books & Videos on Kundalini Yoga &

Meditation. Also Meditation & Mantra CDs.

>

>Your use of is subject to

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Just for TODAY

DO NOT anger

 

Show GRATITUDE

to ALL living things...(even cats)

 

Namaste'

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thank you for bringing fun and wisdom into a rainy day!

Sonja

 

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<Mosaicart2

<Kundaliniyoga>

Saturday, May 04, 2002 4:19 AM

Re: accident question

 

 

> Just for TODAY

> DO NOT anger

>

> Show GRATITUDE

> to ALL living things...(even cats)

>

> Namaste'