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This is clearly not the case of a genuine religious issue going

on... no one "sells their soul" or trades it and "forgets" who he

gives it to. In fact, no one sells their soul, period, in the

literal sense. What this is, is some sort of coping/adjustment

mechanism in someone with a very powerful mind. Look at the age this

happened - adolescent onset. Lots of folks that age think about

suicide, trading away their "souls," etc. I have a backround in

anthropology and psychology and this is not uncommon.

 

Hindu gods have no tradition, like the western devil, of bargaining

for souls. Further, the Hindu tradition is that we are all part of

God, all Gods being different faces of God (not the Christian God at

all, but a much more universal - in fact the Universe itself - God).

No Hindu god would need anyone's soul. It would be like bargaining

for your own toe.

 

I suggest that you read the Bhagavad Gita as a concise, clear

introduction for yourself into some basic Hindu thought. You can get

it free online, there are many, many sites concering it, or

inexepensively in the bookstore. The Barbara Stoller Miller

translation is very accessable and the Winthop Sargeant translation

is good too.

 

It would be good if your friend could unravel the cirumstances of

his memories... his motivations and what he feels he can or cannot

do now because of them... there is a knot in his psyche which it may

be beneficial to unravel. But I would not try it yourself... its

going to be too raw in there...

 

Yours,

 

Dan

 

 

Kali_Ma, "celtix1234" <barbara@c...> wrote:

> Hi folx:

>

> I know but the basics of Hinduism, but I have a question, and I

just

> KNOW someone on here could probably give me an answer.

>

> I have an extremely intelligent 19 year old friend, Seth. My

husband

> and I have

> pretty much adopted him; he lives with us. Even though we live in

the

> same house, we occassionally send each other email. So I was

sending

> him something about how I think that if two people are friends,

true

> friends, they ought to make some sort of "trust pact" or

a "watching

> each other's back/soul pact" (long story). Anyway, he sent me this

> email (spacing/punctuation is his): "I have given up my soul for

> something I don't wanna talk about in accordance with an ancient

> Hindu belief that after this death my soul is taken out of the

loop

> of things in exchange for one thing and one thing only

> Usually that thing is the death of you

> It almost got me"

>

> He feels that when he was 12-13 he gave his soul to a Hindu god -

he

> doesn't remember whom. And he really believes this! He says that

> what he asked for happened almost immediately, and it wasn't one

of

> those things that could have been coincidence. He won't tell me

what

> it was. He says that you don't get anything for free, and thus he

> has to pay. I tell him that he was too young to be held

accountable

> for something like that. He says that he DEFINITELY knew what he

was

> doing. And, knowing what a genius he is, I would have to believe

it.

>

> He also says that someone would have to have a great grasp of

> Hinduism to understand this....kind of like the Kabbalists of the

> Jewish faith.

>

> I talked to Seth further about the whole thing...I guessing he

asked

> for something like "extreme intelligence" or something - he

wouldn't

> say exactly what, and I don't know why. Anyway, he said that

> his "gift" almost killed him - he went crazy and had to be

> hospitalized. He has blocked that extreme side of himself off in

> order to live as a sane person.

>

> He says that his friend's father was Hindu, and VERY wealthy and

> successful, and HE's the one who told Seth what to do in order to

> have his wish fulfilled. Seth said that this man probably worded

his

> wish better, with lots of loopholes. Seth thinks he didn't word

his

> carefully enough. Geez! He was just 12!

>

> I don't know what to make of this!! Any thoughts?

>

> -Barbara

[Guest guest]

Hi Barbara,

 

I think your friend should stay off the crack. I think you need to

enroll him into the Betty Ford Clinic.

 

 

 

 

Kali_Ma, "taoshanrider" <dan_rider@c...> wrote:

> This is clearly not the case of a genuine religious issue going

> on... no one "sells their soul" or trades it and "forgets" who he

> gives it to. In fact, no one sells their soul, period, in the

> literal sense. What this is, is some sort of coping/adjustment

> mechanism in someone with a very powerful mind. Look at the age

this

> happened - adolescent onset. Lots of folks that age think about

> suicide, trading away their "souls," etc. I have a backround in

> anthropology and psychology and this is not uncommon.

>

> Hindu gods have no tradition, like the western devil, of bargaining

> for souls. Further, the Hindu tradition is that we are all part of

> God, all Gods being different faces of God (not the Christian God

at

> all, but a much more universal - in fact the Universe itself -

God).

> No Hindu god would need anyone's soul. It would be like bargaining

> for your own toe.

>

> I suggest that you read the Bhagavad Gita as a concise, clear

> introduction for yourself into some basic Hindu thought. You can

get

> it free online, there are many, many sites concering it, or

> inexepensively in the bookstore. The Barbara Stoller Miller

> translation is very accessable and the Winthop Sargeant translation

> is good too.

>

> It would be good if your friend could unravel the cirumstances of

> his memories... his motivations and what he feels he can or cannot

> do now because of them... there is a knot in his psyche which it

may

> be beneficial to unravel. But I would not try it yourself... its

> going to be too raw in there...

>

> Yours,

>

> Dan

>

>

> Kali_Ma, "celtix1234" <barbara@c...> wrote:

> > Hi folx:

> >

> > I know but the basics of Hinduism, but I have a question, and I

> just

> > KNOW someone on here could probably give me an answer.

> >

> > I have an extremely intelligent 19 year old friend, Seth. My

> husband

> > and I have

> > pretty much adopted him; he lives with us. Even though we live in

> the

> > same house, we occassionally send each other email. So I was

> sending

> > him something about how I think that if two people are friends,

> true

> > friends, they ought to make some sort of "trust pact" or

> a "watching

> > each other's back/soul pact" (long story). Anyway, he sent me

this

> > email (spacing/punctuation is his): "I have given up my soul for

> > something I don't wanna talk about in accordance with an ancient

> > Hindu belief that after this death my soul is taken out of the

> loop

> > of things in exchange for one thing and one thing only

> > Usually that thing is the death of you

> > It almost got me"

> >

> > He feels that when he was 12-13 he gave his soul to a Hindu god -

> he

> > doesn't remember whom. And he really believes this! He says that

> > what he asked for happened almost immediately, and it wasn't one

> of

> > those things that could have been coincidence. He won't tell me

> what

> > it was. He says that you don't get anything for free, and thus he

> > has to pay. I tell him that he was too young to be held

> accountable

> > for something like that. He says that he DEFINITELY knew what he

> was

> > doing. And, knowing what a genius he is, I would have to believe

> it.

> >

> > He also says that someone would have to have a great grasp of

> > Hinduism to understand this....kind of like the Kabbalists of the

> > Jewish faith.

> >

> > I talked to Seth further about the whole thing...I guessing he

> asked

> > for something like "extreme intelligence" or something - he

> wouldn't

> > say exactly what, and I don't know why. Anyway, he said that

> > his "gift" almost killed him - he went crazy and had to be

> > hospitalized. He has blocked that extreme side of himself off in

> > order to live as a sane person.

> >

> > He says that his friend's father was Hindu, and VERY wealthy and

> > successful, and HE's the one who told Seth what to do in order to

> > have his wish fulfilled. Seth said that this man probably worded

> his

> > wish better, with lots of loopholes. Seth thinks he didn't word

> his

> > carefully enough. Geez! He was just 12!

> >

> > I don't know what to make of this!! Any thoughts?

> >

> > -Barbara

[Guest guest]

What you describe sounds more like traditonal psychosis. I wold suggest having

him evaluated by a competent professional. Years ago I asked my guru about the

different between a true spiritual experience and a psychotic delusion. He said

that the person who has had a true spiritual experience comes back more

integrated and loving while the psychotic person is more fragmented and

disconnected. This has tallied with the experiences I have had working as a

professional with sometimes severely disturbed mental paitents

Arjunashady_5254 <shady_5254 (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote:

Hi Barbara,I think your friend should stay off the crack. I think you need to

enroll him into the Betty Ford Clinic.Kali_Ma,

"taoshanrider" <dan_rider@c...> wrote:> This is clearly not the case of a

genuine religious issue going > on... no one "sells their soul" or trades it

and "forgets" who he > gives it to. In fact, no one sells their soul, period,

in the > literal sense. What this is, is some sort of coping/adjustment >

mechanism in someone with a very powerful mind. Look at the age this > happened

- adolescent onset. Lots of folks that age think about > suicide, trading away

their "souls," etc. I have a backround in > anthropology and psychology and

this is not uncommon. > > Hindu gods have no tradition, like the western devil,

of

bargaining > for souls. Further, the Hindu tradition is that we are all part of

> God, all Gods being different faces of God (not the Christian God at > all,

but a much more universal - in fact the Universe itself - God). > No Hindu god

would need anyone's soul. It would be like bargaining > for your own toe.> > I

suggest that you read the Bhagavad Gita as a concise, clear > introduction for

yourself into some basic Hindu thought. You can get > it free online, there are

many, many sites concering it, or > inexepensively in the bookstore. The Barbara

Stoller Miller > translation is very accessable and the Winthop Sargeant

translation > is good too. > > It would be good if your friend could unravel

the cirumstances of > his memories... his motivations and what he feels he can

or cannot > do now because of them... there is a knot in his psyche which it

may

> be beneficial to unravel. But I would not try it yourself... its > going to be

too raw in there...> > Yours,> > Dan> > > Kali_Ma,

"celtix1234" <barbara@c...> wrote:> > Hi folx:> > > > I know but the basics of

Hinduism, but I have a question, and I > just > > KNOW someone on here could

probably give me an answer.> > > > I have an extremely intelligent 19 year old

friend, Seth. My > husband > > and I have > > pretty much adopted him; he lives

with us. Even though we live in > the > > same house, we occassionally send each

other email. So I was > sending > > him something about how I think that if two

people are friends, > true > > friends, they ought to make some sort of "trust

pact" or > a "watching > > each other's back/soul pact"

(long story). Anyway, he sent me this > > email (spacing/punctuation is his): "I

have given up my soul for > > something I don't wanna talk about in accordance

with an ancient > > Hindu belief that after this death my soul is taken out of

the > loop > > of things in exchange for one thing and one thing only> >

Usually that thing is the death of you> > It almost got me" > > > > He feels

that when he was 12-13 he gave his soul to a Hindu god - > he > > doesn't

remember whom. And he really believes this! He says that > > what he asked for

happened almost immediately, and it wasn't one > of > > those things that could

have been coincidence. He won't tell me > what > > it was. He says that you

don't get anything for free, and thus he > > has to pay. I tell him that he was

too young to be held > accountable > >

for something like that. He says that he DEFINITELY knew what he > was > >

doing. And, knowing what a genius he is, I would have to believe > it.> > > >

He also says that someone would have to have a great grasp of > > Hinduism to

understand this....kind of like the Kabbalists of the > > Jewish faith.> > > >

I talked to Seth further about the whole thing...I guessing he > asked > > for

something like "extreme intelligence" or something - he > wouldn't > > say

exactly what, and I don't know why. Anyway, he said that > > his "gift" almost

killed him - he went crazy and had to be > > hospitalized. He has blocked that

extreme side of himself off in > > order to live as a sane person. > > > > He

says that his friend's father was Hindu, and VERY wealthy and > > successful,

and HE's the one who told Seth what to do

in order to > > have his wish fulfilled. Seth said that this man probably worded

> his > > wish better, with lots of loopholes. Seth thinks he didn't word > his

> > carefully enough. Geez! He was just 12! > > > > I don't know what to make

of this!! Any thoughts?> > > > -BarbaraTo from this group, send an

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