In the Name of Kali, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

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....and how many Christians kill because

"God told me to do it" ?

 

 

 

 

 

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I believe your question would be all the more provocative were you

to change the word "Christians" to "other lunatics".

 

I am no friend to Xtianity but fair is fair - much blood is shed in

the name of Spirit by misguided souls planet wide.

 

What I find stunning is that these souls and their bloodshed were

cultivated in a milieu with spiritual claims surpassing that of any

other, with the possible exception of Rome. Or Atlantis.

 

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Hari Om Oz Yogiji,

My humble salutation to all those who have read this interesting yet disappointing article.

This article is not for the faint hearted in fact it could only satisfy those

with no heart and mind as well, as it has a lot of area left unanswered showing

the author did not have the heart to do Her own research before jumping into

conclusion but rely on those who believe they understood better.

 

With all due respect I do not think Samata Ullah knows what she is talking (or

rather repeating like parrot about just like most who are fast to judge rather

than to understand) Firstly her starting line refers to Kali as Goddess of

Destruction. I do not know which scripture said so neither do Kali Purana nor

Srimad Devi Bhagavatham , Devi Gita nor other related tantric shashtras said so

at least not without inner meaning . The author stated Goddess of Destruction

does she mean destruction of inner ego or destruction of the world or

destruction of arising thought in our mind!!!!!

But she is right to say many things are not known about this Goddess this is

because many have not learnt under proper guru with proper understandings of

the Sanskrit language.

 

Firstly Kalika Purana is not a tantric book but a puranic book scripture. There

is a vast difference between vedic, tantric and puranic scriptures. The

shastras are divided into sruthi and smirthi. Thus we would not classify this

purana as "divinely revealed". As a metaphor I would say vedas are the textbook

and the puranic text are the glossary which helps its understanding. Whilst the

tantrik text are those which is applicable today for practicality of this age.

In Principle of Tantra Volume 1 Arthur Avalon have listed out the group of

books that are still available then (most of tantra scriptures was lost even at

his time) but now I wonder how many tantrikas would have read any one of

them(those in that list). Arthur Avalon who translated Mahanirvana Tantra

himself asserts in the foreword of the same book that he have not completely

translated the entire Mahanirvana text itself. So what we have is a

half-finished book. To understand more about tantra shahstra please refer to

Sir Arthur Avalon books on the subject matter because today a lot of

practitioners claim they are tantrikas without understanding the basic

scripture of tantrism.

An example is the author stated "in a tantrik book dedicated to Kali worship

called Kalika Purana ". Mind you this is purana and there is a Kali Tantra book

as well. Both are not the same!

 

She stated "human sacrifice to appease Kali" . I admire the authors conviction

that it appease Kali Maa as if she met Kali Maa yesterday in the market and

Kali Maa told her…Even Bhagwan Ramakrishna Paramahamsa never made such a claim

that Kali Maa was appease by human sacrifice ……….If her contention is the

scripture say so than I would say if I write water on a paper and squeeze the

paper will I get water. And if Maa was so appeased by what those did in

reported case then I do not know why most of them end in jail or lost their

loved one’s………..

Please look further my dear author. When Bhagawan Ramakrishna wanted to offer

himself she stopped him. When a Brahmana was offered to Her in Srimad

Bhagavatham she arose and killed the offerers. When Kalidasa hit his head with

view of taking his life for his dumbness on the Kali Maa temple she stopped him

and gave him jnana siddhi. When Tenali Ramakrishnan had Her vision and laughed

at the idea of Maa getting cold which nose she will sneeze (She gave darshan in

form of Mahakali) with she gave him the boon of wisdom . All these people above

offered their life at Her feet but She gave Her love instead. Why ???

 

Secondly I wonder why the author did not realize the thugees of British India

are not hindus but muslims who was actually killing the wealthy man who happens

to be British man who was squandering India once . I wonder why she did not talk

of the possibility of the wisdom of governor then to get the public mass support

who are largely Hindus this was propagated to catch the robbers and destroy the

robbers. See how easy for me to create another speculation and use the

historical circumstances to substantiate it . (Anyway I am not alone in this

assertion some are already doing research in this area as well, even the text

book principle of aryan – dravidian myth in India are being re-studied as it

was written by researcher in post colonial era)

Thirldy her citation of Bhagavad Gita 2;26-28 was not meant for this purpose

(reincarnation cycle to justify human sacrifice!!!) .A proper guru from proper

lineage would have corrected Her pre- conceived idea. This verse was not meant

to justify human sacrifice at all. It is easy to take a statement of it’s

original context and interpret it according to one’s own limited mind. It was

meant to show the true inner soul does not die nor takes birth. Thus grieve of

death was caused by attachment to the outer garment called body. In order for

you to grieve you mind must have made perception based on the message sent by

physical eyes (which is not the correct perception of reality) attachment

between the physical body and the beginningless and endless Brahman who with

the limitation are bound in the body as Atman .

 

Even based on this doctrine alone it baffles me what is the purpose of

sacrificing the body, blood, goat, animal etc. etc. made out of filth , liquid

and mucus and why on earth will Maa be interested in that ??? Because if I am

Her I will be more interested in the emancipation of soul rather than the body

that is changed like clothes in each cycle of birth and death. Why would giving

this cloth(body) that will go off anyway should please Her ………Strangely not a

single author stated on the article have given a reason for that …………..Instead

they have chosen to merely echo what is the rest of the authors stated ………….And

non of them are from proper Guru parampara nor proper lineage …………

She stated "hindu fatalism plays important role in the mentality behind human

sacrifice since people think they will see the sacrificed person again. Oh.my

dear author this I believe is your own reasoning because none of the Hindus

kill anybody thinking the reincarnation will work for them and they will meet

back later . Because the reincarnation cycle works according to karma and by

bad action you would be born lower and does not promise that you will meet the

same person again……….

 

She further stated" human sacrifice to Kali………….(which is not followed by all

hindus ,only by choice by people who want to worship Devi, Durga better known

as Kali) " . Once again the author have not gone to Dakhneswar temple nor

Kalighat temple . A lot of people are under impression that the human sacrifice

are stopped at Kalighat because of moral obligation .Why non have asked the

priest who have followed traditional worship whether they have actually changed

anything? If so why ? Every time there is will be a writer who claims there is

evidence at Kalighat but they have not done proper research to back this claim

..Yet the traditional priest do not do such things today. Bhagawan Ramakrishna

worshiped Maa Kali did he offer human sacrifice ? Ramprasad prayed to Maa did

he offer human sacrifice ? Kamalakanta prayed to Kali Maa ,did he offer human

sacrifice? Actually we do not know but they didi not say so in any of their

teaching to us did they ? The author have so many saints footstep to follow yet

the author choose to use some person who offered a child !!!!!!!This is what

happens without proper guru guidance. Today only those without proper guru

lineage are offering blood (inetrpreting the text on their own) some even offer

whatever they feel "nice" without thinking what is the end result they want to

achieve( like liberation or pleasure for thousand years !!). They claim they

love mother and following bhakthi path but they would have not read Narada

Bhakthi Sutra or Sandilya Bhakthi Sutra nor Srimad Bhagavatham . Theirs is what

I feel good I do attitude not backed up by scriptural authority or proper guru

lineage . At kalima2 proper sanskrit interpretation are given in

English including English transliteration of each mantras used in Kali Puja

according to their tradition supported by other traditional scriptures like

Chandi Path, Srimad Devi Bhagavatham and Devi Gita as well that is what ideally

a traditional approach should be ………

 

Author said "Human sacrifice …………..practiced in vedic India …………………a male child

was sacrificed every Friday evening " was taken from Encyclopedia Britannica

Standard Edition CD which clearly show that it is not even stated in Kalika

Purana .Why Friday ? Why not no moon day or eclipse day only the encyclopedia

writer knows the truth of this assertion not even the author!!!!!

The 55 year old trader story had a lot of similarity with other religious

fanatics in other religion .Ram Sevak was clearly not even doing what was

stated in Kalika Purana like smear his body with blood, chopped of his

daughters tongue and ate the flesh(where is this in Kalika Purana). Why can’t

one see this was not even according to literal interpretation of Kalika Purana

……………The story itself gave the real doer of the entire tragedy not

interpretation of Kalika Purana by her loving devotee but supposedly spirit

that possessed Chowhan’s daughter in law !!!Look how the author has used it to

make her point. This like saying Charles Manson followed bible to do what he

did !!!!

 

Then the author jumped to Mithun Naskar case and another religious fanatic was

alleged to use Kalika Purana to achieve his objectives. And the list

continues…………………….But did they follow the actual Kalika Purana text ? No! I

will explain why below ……..

 

The author than goes on to cite BR Ambedkar in his book" Riddles to Hinduism" to

justify the literal translation of the Kalika Purana text itself. The author

realizing BR Ambedkar is neither from proper religious institution nor from

proper guru lineage what more in Kali or kaulic worship tradition uses his

credibility as writer of modern constitution of India to justify his

credibility in this interpretation.

Every scriptural text has inner meaning which can only be realized by sadhana

(spritual practice) guided by authentic guru .But instead this author have

followed a layman interpretation . Have you heard a blind leading a blind? Next

time I want to learn religious scripture I will look for a constitution writer

to teach me ………The author would say Krishna has thousand lovers instead of

gopis .Kartikeya has two views. Kali is naked .Ganesa is a god with elephant

face .5 pandavas enjoyed one Draupadi……We can go on and on with literal

interpretations but it will not give any spiritual significance to any one of

us . Instead let us try to obtain the scripture and search for the true guru to

lead us to true understanding .For your information Kalika Purana exist in the

English translation today in 3 version , the Bengal version, the other

Guhawathi edition( Biswanarayan Shahstri) and finally some chapter translation

by Prof Van Kooij. None have worked on the inner meaning as of yet …………………

despite about 7 manuscripts existing in the world.

 

 

Let me give you an example of what inner meaning means(shastra rahasyam) ;

"Swami Satyananada in Kali Puja stated Raktabija ,who performed great

austerities was awarded the boon that whenever a drop of his blood would touch

the ground ,in that very same place a new Raktabija would be born with same

vitality ,courage and strength ,the same capacity to captivate the mind. Rakta

means red the color ,it also means the blood and passion most specifically it

means a passion for something-Desire. Bija means the seed, Raktabija literally

translates the Seed of Desire

See how he manifest in action. In order to accomplish his desire ,he multiple

into countless new desire with same intensity .the same capacity of captivating

the mind, all of which seeks fulfillment as well .As we find a desire for one

thing, one drop of blood has touched the ground and immediately, automatically

a new something is required to fulfill that desire .Another drop.

This goes on indefinitely, causing a continual necessity to act. Every time a

Seed of Desire touches the ground ,a new Seed of desire is born in that same

very place .Ultimately the entire earth has been filled with Seeds of Desire.

Seeing this and understanding fully well the tremendous importance of and

significance of all pervasiveness of desire, the gods became extremely

dejected. In great alarm we all called the Divine Mother for help, "Oh

Compassionate Kali, stick you your tongue and drink up all the desire of

existence. Only your mouth has sufficient capacity to consume all desire. And

when you will have digested all desires the gods will be free from desire "

I do not know about the author but this makes more sense to me . If you gave

this to the author she would have made a literal interpretation and it would

have only depicted as Kali Ma ‘s favorite drink is blood juice !!!!!

I myself have read what Rudhir Adhayay stated and working with my gurudeva

hoping one day we could publish entire Kalika Purana with it’s inner meaning

but this will take some time but even in literal interpretation let us look at

few points;

The chapter is by Lord Shiva to his 3 sons Betal , Bhairavar and Bhairava not to

you or me. Usually in nigama or agama shastras it will by Lord Shiva to Maa

Parvathi or Maa Parvathi to Lord Shiva and there will be an indication it is

for the disciple or devotees to follow . The author did not indicate whether it

was for common lay men also or was it to only his 3 sons

There is reference to vaishnavi tantra thus it is only appropriate to look at

Vaishnavi tantra text before interpreting the rudhir adhayay chapter . The

author did not do this as well

"It is through sacrifice that prince obtains bliss heaven and victory over

enemy" . The question to ask here do you consider an ordinary devotee a prince

or is this applicable only to the princes or king of the country??? Author was

not bother to research on this as well?

"The blood of…………….pleasure for one year………………human species produces pleasure of

thousand year……………".As Maa Kali devotee are you seeking pleasure or moksha? What

do you think Ramakrishna, Ramprasad was seeking was it pleasure or Her holy feet

?

I love the detail description but let us see another verse ;

"Let not Brahman ever offer a lion or tiger or his own blood ………..If a Brahman

sacrifices either a lion a tiger or a man …….he goes to hell and passes but a

short time in this world attended with misery and misfortune"

 

The author should first distinguish the difference between Brahman, brahmin and

brahman.Remember in Srimad Bhagavatham when a pure brahmana was offered to Kali

Maa Her idol broke and She sprang out to kill Her devotees

So now a prince only can do it and not even a brahman can offer man’s blood not

even his own to Maa Kali

Brahmin ideally is he who seeks God .Thus those who seeks her for ultimate

realization or darshan and not for pleasure alone like stated earlier goes to

hell by such practice

The next verse talks about Ksshatriya who could only" offer human shape with butter!!!! "

So you now got to be either a" vaisya (merchant) or a sudra to do this worship",

not even tantrika who is from Brahmana sect can do offering. Anyway a tantrika

is better of following tantrik text so I wonder in the case earlier are they

real tantrikas. . At this point I wonder how would those English man and ladies

Kali Maa devotees are classified as Brahmin, or Vaisya or sudras ? Who are

interested can ask the author what caste are they if they are out of India and

want to follow Kalika Purana or may be I should ask the constitutions writer

again ???

Now if you further read the text says ,"Brahman or chandalas cannot be offered

nor kstariya" .That leaves only with vaishya the merchant but the next

statement says," nor a father" so I wonder how was Ram Sevak who was a father

could be sacrificed according to Kalika Purana when Kalika Purana do not allow

it !!!!!

The text goes on to say " nor the one who is unwilling". Is the author saying

Mithun Naskar was a willing one . Does that not sound absurd???

"If human sacrifice is performed without consent of prince the performers incurs

sin." I wander all those did in the story actually got confirmation from their

prince or not . Author did not go into this as well as usual…………….

Only ministers and the prince can offer human sacrifice but "only at time of

war". I did not realize any of the 2 cases before as prince nor at time of

war……..

The text also states "the blood must be drawn …….from a man pure in mind and

body and free from fear……….." If the father did not have fear why he tried to

move away??

The author than goes to the discussion of "himsa" and "ahimsa" but I suppose her

understanding of ahimsa is limited to her reading of Gandhiji writing alone .

Next she will say Mahabharatha war is himsa so is battle of Krurshetra and

battle of Gods against asuras in all puranas are all himsa as well.

Again the author said ," the Kali temple at Calcutta". There is no such temple

as Kali Temple in Calcutta but a lot of Kali Maa temples here !!!!This shows

the author have not even understood the Kali tradition well. The tradition

continues for a reason unknown to the author and not to follow Kalika Purana

alone ….The author feeling for goats is permissible unless she herself is busy

eating chicken burger and hotdogs. But Bhagawan himself use to move away when

sacrificial of goat is done for Maa Kali . The reason he gives is because he

sees Maa even there but he do not ask other to refrain as well. Why is this

because everybody is in his or her own spiritual evolution process. It would

not be right to argue with the kindergarten boy that the world is round until

he comes to level two in his schools when this is taught by his teacher .So

Bhagawan refrain from taking part but never stopped others. When asked he

explained the reason. On contrary the author did not do this with any of the

Kali temple in Calcutta(seek the answer herself). She did not even ask but made

her judgement based on others perception.

Again the author did not show any direct evidence but stated Dr.Rajendralal

Misra state there is an evidence but Dr.Rajendralal Misra then states his

friend Babu Hemachandra Ker says it is performed in the eastern district of

Bengal. His magistrate friend should no better because even in law this will

not even be accepted as hearsay evidence and how do we know this is following

Kalika Purana procedure and not some killing that is done in name sake of

offering but actually with hidden agenda as we saw the cases cited was not

following the text as well ………..

The part on question to Hindus near to be addressed ………………

The author does not understand what is Hinduism. She does not realize the basic

tenets of Hinduism as well. She needs to study the Vedanta philosophy to see

the one in all and all in one first. This is what happen if you do not go

through proper learning process but merely read whatever you get you hands

on………….

The conception of Aryan-Dravidian is being refuted now and does not hold water

as it use to . Dear author please read the latest historical finding on this

matter as your argument is based on all formulation.

When Lord Krishna talked about all path he did not say in particular he talked

about ahimsa or himsa .Her confusion on this principle is because of

interpretation the scripture on Her own. The scripture would always look

contradictory on the surface but deep inside they all will share the same basic

tenets of truth to understand this she need to a proper guru guidance

 

The author asserts that tantric practiced himsa while another part of Hinduism

practice ahimsa First tantra brings realization by bhoga (transcending

enjoyment of material world) and veda by yoga. The tantric do not do "injury"

to obtain emancipation instead take the very things reviled and forbidden by

the ordinary member of society because even to classify some thing as wrong you

need to attach negativism to it . Thus the tantrika transcends the mind’s

limited perception of wrong and right and no proper tantrikas would continue

taking them after the attachment is broken .If he continues than please

understand that he is attached to it (might be worse than before ) . That is

why practice of panca makara 5 forbidden act like eating meat, taking wine are

the very thing done to transcend it .Because this 5 things was the very thing

that was refrained by the society they lived in and looked to be the most wrong

thing to be done . Bhagwan Ramakrishna use to say the tantra practice are like

riding on tiger if you make a mistake and fall the tiger would eat you …. So

pancha makara sadhana is not for all. How could you eat meat and say I am

practicing pancha makara when you can go and buy them in market burn it

slightly to retain the juice and eat them with your family for dinner. What is

the effect of practicing coition when you do not lose your virginity by 28 you

would be ridiculed by your very friends in the society. What is there to

practice taking liquor when you can buy them in the nearest hypermarket and get

drunk all night long. Those practice was very applicable before because these

were the very thing refrain by society and tantrikas take them to transcend

them not for mere pleasure alone .Can a beggars say he is equal to a monk who

is seeking alms just because he has a same bowl in his hand as well ??? So you

got to be careful before making blind conclusion. The end is the same the

approach is different………….

The author refers to Kalighat temple but illustrated Dakhneswar Temple this show

her eagerness to prove her point without proper illustration. Ironically Kenneth

Wilson who cares so much for the goat might not mind wearing leather shoe and

using leather crocodile wallet. In fact I would not be surprised the same

Kenneth had turkey for Christmas and lamb for Easter as well. Please read

Sister Elizabeth Usha Harding writing on this matter in her book.

Again without any evidence the author points to Mr. Shanthi (usually Shanthi

used for female ) stated the British stopped human sacrifice in 1821.But same

British did Amritsar killing in Golden Temple . So this might be another

speculation as well………………

The author have used the newspaper report to justify her claim and we could do

the same for any sect or religion based tragedy as well (today the catholic

church is having the same problem with their ministries - Maa please help my

brothers over there to overcome their small problem in such a great religious

institution) but mere report could not make any difference in spiritual

evolution.

Lord Jesusji when hanging on the cross prayed to God " Forgive them, O Lord for

they do not know what they are doing " When the public cast the stone on the

poor prostitute for sinning he asked who have not sinned before We all make

mistake dear author but your ignorance is not an excuse . Please learn the

traditional knowledge form those who are the real practitioners

By following the steps of the Kali Ma saints like Annada Thakur ,Ramakrishna

Paramahamsa, Ramprasad , Kamalakantha, Prahlad Chandra Bramachari we need not

do this type of small sacrifice of pleasure to reach the highest summit of

spiritual realization . Please read more about this devotees of Maa and what

they have done for rest of Her Children in this world at kalima2 in

their database .

May Ma Kali bless us all in this spiritual endeavor!

May the author understand the true nature of Maa Kali !

Your,

Brave heart Son

p/s ; Oz Yogiji I know the author is not you and thanks for doing some good job

at kalima2 before ..........

 

"God is both with form, formess and beyond !" - Bhagawan Sri Ramakrishna

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Is the article factual? Did the bloodshed occur?

 

My guess is it did. I read an account of these atrocities in the

name of religion weeks back on, I believe, Reuters. And I recall

reading of yet another disgusting incident, which the instant

article did not address.

 

I submit: while it is all well and good to remind the good people of

this list of the author's spiritual myopia, it is far more urgent to

educate the people of these neglected villages.

 

After all, they're the ones likely to get out the knives

again...and, for all we know, are sharpening them right now...

 

s

[Guest guest]

Vanakam Kanna

 

The article reflects the news reports of these types of events and

the fact remains that these crimes takes place in the name of Kali

and the general public have had formulated some ill-infromed views

based on these types of events.

 

As such we cannot deny that ignorance plays a part by those who

commit such crimes. As you and others have correctly pointed out such

sacrifices does take place in the name of all religions, however, we

must ponder and ask as to what this means overall and point out that -

as you have - that its the ill-informed mis-guidence and ignorance

on part of these followers which are the cause of these events and

not at all the Holy Mother.

 

Most of these mis-information could have orginated from the Moghul

era and continued with the British rule when the Thuggies were

associated with KaliMa.

 

By the way, we have discussed the same subject a while back at our

Tantrism group. May I x-post your post to that site has it contains

some very interesting info?

 

"I myself have read what Rudhir Adhayay stated and working with my

gurudeva hoping one day we could publish entire Kalika Purana with

it's inner meaning but this will take some time but even in literal

interpretation let us look at few points;..."

Thanks for the info. When is the book coming out? Please keep us

informed. I for one will be keen to get hold of it.

 

Om Shanti

 

Ay

[Guest guest]

Nama Parvathi Pathey ,Hara Hara Mahadeva

Thenanudaiya Sivaney Potri ,Ellavarukum Iraiva Potri

Vannakam Oz Yogi,

As such we cannot deny that ignorance plays a part by those who commit such

crimes. As you and others have correctly pointed out such sacrifices does take

place in the name of all religions, however, we must ponder and ask as to what

this means overall and point out that - as you have - that its the ill-informed

mis-guidence and ignorance on part of these followers which are the cause of

these events and not at all the Holy Mother.

Yes the 3 reasons for us followers to be wrong in Ma's path of worship will be ;

1) Ill-informed - we can overcome this by looking for proper guru parampara and

sampradaya Reference text on how a guru should be is in Guru Gita and Kulanarva

Tantra

2) Mis guidance - We could check this in the relevant scripture . Kalika Purana

, Chandi Path ,Devi Gita ,Srimad Devi Bhagavatham etc etc etc

3) Ignorance - We could do this by taking INITIATIVE to acquire Ma's

knowledge.This is what seriously lacking today. They say love but feel under no

obligation to learn more about Her. If you love your girlfriend so much would

you not learn about her more .................

I think this is what it means overall that each of us try to do the best we can

in overcoming this ignorance by taking some form of intiatives to overcome it

and this group members can make a great difference if we want to

.................

And this group could exactly do the above . Let us start gathering the Ma's

related scripture outside there together. Those with resource could identify

where the books are ,those with money could buy them and those with time can

translate and share a page in this group. I myself are looking for some rare

Ma's scripture to be learnt form . The question is can we work together in this

, can I seek your asistance in this search ?

By the way, we have discussed the same subject a while back at our Tantrism

group. May I x-post your post to that site has it contains some very

interesting info?

Please feel free to do so . I will be more than happy to answer any question or

remark on this matter as well. Pleae feel free to mail me on any feedback .I

could also share the classical tantric approach in scriptural authority on the

matter .I hope we could share more classical approach towards Ma this

way.................

Thanks for the info. When is the book coming out? Please keep us informed. I for

one will be keen to get hold of it.

Well I forsee in few years time . Let me share why is that so. Firstly there isa

need to translate from sanskrit verses to english. This have been done before

but only with literal meaning and without taking the grammatical context of

those verses. We would like to use Panini grammar to ensure the text would also

be condusive for daily recital from sanskrit devanagri to romanized english for

us the Kali Ma children at our alter. That is not avaialable in all Kalika

Purana translations right now .Secondly the transliteration need to identify

the inner meaning. The inner meaning does not grow by inteligence alone but

also by intuition as well..We next to verify this intuitional understanding

with other Kali Ma's scripture of similarity or contradiction with other Ma's

scriptures like Kali Tantra, Chandi Path, Shyama Dandaka etc.etc.

This is very difficut today ,because Ma's available scripture are hard to find

today. For a start I have started to contact all writers who have written on Ma

(Rachell Macdermot,Prof Van Kooij, Sister Elizabeth Usha Harding,Brother Colin)

and try to get their referential books that they used to write about Her . For

this I am going to Varanasi,Rishikesh, Haridwar and Badrinath end of this month

to find some of Her rare books .

I need all the help we can get in doing this work.It is not easy to get your

hands even in a copy of Ma related scriptures and if any of you have some

information please help us . We really need any form of help. Even as small as

wishing us luck.................

Please do not send me any money. Money is not the issue and will never be the

issue here but all we want is a small prayer to Kali Ma that She asiist us in

this holy effort. If you could go in front of your altar and make a small

prayer to Her ,"Ma, please help this small souls in their endevour ,as they are

only doing this for all your childrens" I take the objective of this mail have

been fulfilled.If all of us offer this prayer even once with sincereness of our

heart I think we will have the text for all Ma devotees in the

future...........................

Inbame Sulga!!

Ellorum Valge!!!

>"oz_yogi "

>Kali_Ma >Kali_Ma >Subject:

Re: In the Name of Kali, Most Gracious, Most Merciful >Fri, 03

Jan 2003 12:45:13 -0000 > >Vanakam Kanna > >The article reflects the news

reports of these types of events and >the fact remains that these crimes takes

place in the name of Kali >and the general public have had formulated some

ill-infromed views >based on these types of events. > >As such we cannot deny

that ignorance plays a part by those who >commit such crimes. As you and others

have correctly pointed out such >sacrifices does take place in the name of all

religions, however, we >must ponder and ask as to what this means overall and

point out that - > as you have - that its the ill-informed mis-guidence and

ignorance >on part of these followers which are the cause of these events and

>not at all the Holy Mother. > >Most of these mis-information could have

orginated from the Moghul >era and continued with the British rule when the

Thuggies were >associated with KaliMa. > >By the way, we have discussed the

same subject a while back at our >Tantrism group. May I x-post your post to

that site has it contains >some very interesting info? > >"I myself have read

what Rudhir Adhayay stated and working with my >gurudeva hoping one day we

could publish entire Kalika Purana with >it's inner meaning but this will take

some time but even in literal >interpretation let us look at few points;..."

>Thanks for the info. When is the book coming out? Please keep us >informed. I

for one will be keen to get hold of it. > >Om Shanti > >Ay > > > > > > Protect

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Yes indeed; you have my full support, physical and subtle.

 

In the meantime, I take comfort from the belief that, whenever one

takes a step forward spiritually, so do all other conscious beings

throughout galaxies uncounted.

 

I wish you full speed ahead.

 

s

 

 

Kali_Ma, "Krishnan Kanna"

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