Guest guest Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 Hello, >From what I have found out about the Kali Ma or MA Kali, is that she lures men with thier desires and dreams and then leads them to thier horrible demise. The Goddess of Death and Destroryer of Men? The reason I ask is because such followers as maybe yourselves have embraced themselves around me and the name of this diety is interwoven through out thier socail lives together. Thank you, & Sincerely, Universal Seeker Garry "DAMUZI" GEER /groups/werockyou http://www.damuzi.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Ma Kali is an icon which represents all the activity of the universe. She is Female as Shakti is represented as being female. However, Her being the "The Goddess of Death and Destroyer of Men" is just something some feminist made up to support her own views of men. While Kali does kill a lot of male demons in Her appearance in the Devi Mahatmyam, those demons represent our more base, animal natures, and not just the male sex. Kali_Ma, "graygodrelier" <garrygeer@g...> wrote: > > > Hello, > > From what I have found out about the Kali Ma or MA Kali, is that she > lures men with thier desires and dreams and then leads them to thier > horrible demise. > The Goddess of Death and Destroryer of Men? > > The reason I ask is because such followers as maybe yourselves have > embraced themselves around me and the name of this diety is interwoven > through out thier socail lives together. > > Thank you, > & Sincerely, > Universal Seeker > Garry "DAMUZI" GEER > /groups/werockyou > http://www.damuzi.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Please see http://www.kalimandir.org/ for more info. Kali_Ma, "jodyrrr" <jodyrrr> wrote: > > Ma Kali is an icon which represents all the activity > of the universe. She is Female as Shakti is represented > as being female. However, Her being the "The Goddess of > Death and Destroyer of Men" is just something some feminist > made up to support her own views of men. > > While Kali does kill a lot of male demons in Her appearance > in the Devi Mahatmyam, those demons represent our more base, > animal natures, and not just the male sex. > > Kali_Ma, "graygodrelier" <garrygeer@g...> wrote: > > > > > > Hello, > > > > From what I have found out about the Kali Ma or MA Kali, is that she > > lures men with thier desires and dreams and then leads them to thier > > horrible demise. > > The Goddess of Death and Destroryer of Men? > > > > The reason I ask is because such followers as maybe yourselves have > > embraced themselves around me and the name of this diety is interwoven > > through out thier socail lives together. > > > > Thank you, > > & Sincerely, > > Universal Seeker > > Garry "DAMUZI" GEER > > /groups/werockyou > > http://www.damuzi.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Dear Garry -- It sounds like you've been reading Fantasy Gaming books for your definitions of Kali. Kali is a well-established Hindu Goddess, beloved by millions of Hindus. Her image has also appealed to other folks, some of whom wreak changes and re-interpret it. Kali is not man-hating, or EEEvil, or Sado-Masochistic. Her realm is TIME, and time brings Change, and sometimes change is scary. But Kali is always motivated by love. And where there is fear, there is power, once you face that fear. I recommend that you read the poems of Bengali Kali devotee Ramprasad Sen. They were written in the 18th Century, and Hindu Bengalis are still setting them to music and singing them. As a musician, you may be tempted to sing them, yourself! -- Len/ Kalipadma --- graygodrelier <garrygeer wrote: > > > Hello, > > From what I have found out about the Kali Ma or MA > Kali, is that she > lures men with thier desires and dreams and then > leads them to thier > horrible demise. > The Goddess of Death and Destroryer of Men? > > The reason I ask is because such followers as maybe > yourselves have > embraced themselves around me and the name of this > diety is interwoven > through out thier socail lives together. > > Thank you, > & Sincerely, > Universal Seeker > Garry "DAMUZI" GEER > /groups/werockyou > http://www.damuzi.com > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2005 Report Share Posted April 1, 2005 Through my personal experience have seen more Men being Ma Kali devotees than women who I have seen more leaned towards male forms of God. This is just my personal thought I may be wrong. I myself am a shakti devotee of Durga/Kali/ Laxmi/ Saraswati and any form of female goddess more than male gods. In my family many women are shiv devotees whereas many men are durga devotees. Don't really know why such a way but there could be some reasons which we don't know. Kind regards Jay > > Len Rosenberg [kalipadma108] > Saturday, April 02, 2005 12:33 PM > Kali_Ma > Re: Please Explain Kali Ma > > > > Dear Garry -- > > It sounds like you've been reading Fantasy Gaming > books for your definitions of Kali. > > Kali is a well-established Hindu Goddess, beloved by > millions of Hindus. Her image has also appealed to > other folks, some of whom wreak changes and > re-interpret it. Kali is not man-hating, or EEEvil, > or Sado-Masochistic. Her realm is TIME, and time > brings Change, and sometimes change is scary. But > Kali is always motivated by love. And where there is > fear, there is power, once you face that fear. > > I recommend that you read the poems of Bengali Kali > devotee Ramprasad Sen. They were written in the 18th > Century, and Hindu Bengalis are still setting them to > music and singing them. As a musician, you may be > tempted to sing them, yourself! > > -- Len/ Kalipadma > > --- graygodrelier <garrygeer wrote: > > > > > > Hello, > > > > From what I have found out about the Kali Ma or MA > > Kali, is that she > > lures men with thier desires and dreams and then > > leads them to thier > > horrible demise. > > The Goddess of Death and Destroryer of Men? > > > > The reason I ask is because such followers as maybe > > yourselves have > > embraced themselves around me and the name of this > > diety is interwoven > > through out thier socail lives together. > > > > Thank you, > > & Sincerely, > > Universal Seeker > > Garry "DAMUZI" GEER > > /groups/werockyou > > http://www.damuzi.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Sponsor > > > Links > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2005 Report Share Posted April 4, 2005 I am glad to hear that you have a different more peacefull path than that of my original question. I still have some more statements/rebuttals to previous post, and questions for you. So you tell me that Ma Kali is an icon which represents all the activity of the universe. That her being the "The Goddess of Death and Destroyer of Men" is just something some feminist made up to support her own views of men. Yet, her original origin of creation was about her being the "Dark Goddess of Death and Rebirth"? She was, originally, a warrior goddess, worshiped with blood sacrifice and offerings of flesh and liquor. Yes I understand some of you now study, worship, or follow teachings from something, but wouldnt you agree that the origins are a little hazy? Its great that you follow a lighter side of this goddess, but it is almost as if, her name, and what she was to be originally is now changing to make her seem a lighter shade? P.S. My favorite answer was "Ma Kali is an icon which represents all the activity of the universe" its a great thing all activity of the universe, as a whole. The fact that this example is focused in an icon such as Kali Ma, is your choosing, and hoipefully is a good channel for you and others like you. P.S.S. To the one who stated, that I read my description from some form of role playing fantasy book or something to that measure, my answer simply put to you is, "no", I study and search for answers to anything that I have questions too. You were probably just laughing at my statement and I understand, but, no one should ever feel the need to make light of others trying to learn, it will never help them in the return of things. I LIKE THIS QUOTE: "Then alone can death cease when I am one with life, then alone can misery cease when I am one with happiness itself, then alone can all errors cease when I am one with knowledge itself" Sincerely, G. Geer Kali_Ma, "Jay Dayal" <dayals@c...> wrote: > Through my personal experience have seen more Men being Ma Kali devotees > than women who I have seen more leaned towards male forms of God. This > is just my personal thought I may be wrong. I myself am a shakti devotee > of Durga/Kali/ Laxmi/ Saraswati and any form of female goddess more than > male gods. In my family many women are shiv devotees whereas many men > are durga devotees. Don't really know why such a way but there could be > some reasons which we don't know. > > Kind regards > > Jay > > > > > Len Rosenberg [kalipadma108] > > Saturday, April 02, 2005 12:33 PM > > Kali_Ma > > Re: Please Explain Kali Ma > > > > > > > > Dear Garry -- > > > > It sounds like you've been reading Fantasy Gaming > > books for your definitions of Kali. > > > > Kali is a well-established Hindu Goddess, beloved by > > millions of Hindus. Her image has also appealed to > > other folks, some of whom wreak changes and > > re-interpret it. Kali is not man-hating, or EEEvil, > > or Sado-Masochistic. Her realm is TIME, and time > > brings Change, and sometimes change is scary. But > > Kali is always motivated by love. And where there is > > fear, there is power, once you face that fear. > > > > I recommend that you read the poems of Bengali Kali > > devotee Ramprasad Sen. They were written in the 18th > > Century, and Hindu Bengalis are still setting them to > > music and singing them. As a musician, you may be > > tempted to sing them, yourself! > > > > -- Len/ Kalipadma > > > > --- graygodrelier <garrygeer@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > From what I have found out about the Kali Ma or MA > > > Kali, is that she > > > lures men with thier desires and dreams and then > > > leads them to thier > > > horrible demise. > > > The Goddess of Death and Destroryer of Men? > > > > > > The reason I ask is because such followers as maybe > > > yourselves have > > > embraced themselves around me and the name of this > > > diety is interwoven > > > through out thier socail lives together. > > > > > > Thank you, > > > & Sincerely, > > > Universal Seeker > > > Garry "DAMUZI" GEER > > > /groups/werockyou > > > http://www.damuzi.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Sponsor > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2005 Report Share Posted April 5, 2005 --- graygodrelier <garrygeer wrote: > > So you tell me that Ma Kali is an icon which > represents all the > activity of the universe. <snip> > She was, originally, a warrior goddess, worshiped > with blood > sacrifice and offerings of flesh and liquor. > > Yes I understand some of you now study, worship, or > follow teachings > from something, but wouldnt you agree that the > origins are a little > hazy? The "warrior" aspect of Kali Ma does not necessarily relate to the military-industrial complex. Kali almost exclusively battles demons. She is a goddess of protection. She destroys our bad intentions, she eradicates error. If you have qualities you don't want, you can ask her to take them away. Mother, please remove my ignorance, my selfishness, my hatred. > > Its great that you follow a lighter side of this > goddess, but it is > almost as if, her name, and what she was to be > originally is now > changing to make her seem a lighter shade? In these days of "Lite Beer," preserve us from "Lite Kali"! There is no escaping that Kali is DARK. She can be frightening. She should be treated with respect. She is like a fire that burns away every part of you that is dross, taking away everything that is not of the divine. Meg Christian wrote these lyrics: What do you say to the radiant one Who melts your fear and pain? And then She lets you love Her Any foolish way you can. She heals your heart, then steals your heart, And fills it till it bursts And in the place it used to be, You'll find the Universe. -- Len/ Kalipadma Messenger Show us what our next emoticon should look like. Join the fun. http://www.advision.webevents./emoticontest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2005 Report Share Posted April 5, 2005 Kali_Ma, "graygodrelier" <garrygeer@g...> wrote: > > > I am glad to hear that you have a different more peacefull path than > that of my original question. I still have some more > statements/rebuttals to previous post, and questions for you. It's not about being peaceful for myself. It's about understanding at all times that I am always subject to the will of Kali. An earthquake (or tsunami if I lived near the ocean) could swallow me whole at any moment. I could be struck down by a heart attack. Carjackers could blow my head off while stealing my truck. I as an individual am always helpless in the arms of Ma Kali, and She's crazy, so you never know what She's going to do next. > So you tell me that Ma Kali is an icon which represents all the > activity of the universe. That her being the "The Goddess of Death > and Destroyer of Men" is just something some feminist > made up to support her own views of men. Yet, her original origin of > creation was about her being the "Dark Goddess of Death and Rebirth"? > She was, originally, a warrior goddess, worshiped with blood > sacrifice and offerings of flesh and liquor. She appeared in the literature as a demon-killing warrior Goddess. The Gods fucked up and gave the demons a boon, that they could not be defeated by men in battle. So the demons took over heaven and the Gods were bummed. They combined all their powers at a single point and out popped Durga. She proceeded to vanquish the demons and restore heaven to the folks it belonged to. When Durga got really, really pissed off, Kali sprang from Her brow and went psychocrazy on the demons. She still is worshipped with animal sacrifice and booze, etc. She's a party Girl and likes to get down. She likes marijuana as well. > Yes I understand some of you now study, worship, or follow teachings > from something, but wouldnt you agree that the origins are a little > hazy? Not at all. It's all in the Devi Mahatmyam and the Devi Bhagavatam. She was probably one of the dravidian Goddesses who got assimilated into the Aryan pantheon. > Its great that you follow a lighter side of this goddess, but it is > almost as if, her name, and what she was to be originally is now > changing to make her seem a lighter shade? I do not worship a lighter side of anything. Think of a massive black hole, thousands of light-years in breadth, swallowing stars and planets whole. That is Ma Kali. > P.S. My favorite answer was "Ma Kali is an icon which represents > all the activity of the universe" its a great thing all activity of > the universe, as a whole. The fact that this example is focused in an > icon such as Kali Ma, is your choosing, and hoipefully is a good > channel for you and others like you. Kali is the Mahashakti. The Mahashakti is the entirety of the manifest universe and everything happening within it. It's not something I chose for Kali, it's Her traditional role within the purview of traditional shaktism. Nothing new below. > P.S.S. To the one who stated, that I read my description from some > form of role playing fantasy book or something to that measure, my > answer simply put to you is, "no", I study and search for answers to > anything that I have questions too. You were probably just laughing > at my statement and I understand, but, no one should ever feel the > need to make light of others trying to learn, it will never help them > in the return of things. > > I LIKE THIS QUOTE: > "Then alone can death cease > when I am one with life, > then alone can misery cease > when I am one with happiness itself, > then alone can all errors cease > when I am one with knowledge itself" > > Sincerely, > > G. Geer > > > > Kali_Ma, "Jay Dayal" <dayals@c...> wrote: > > Through my personal experience have seen more Men being Ma Kali devotees > > than women who I have seen more leaned towards male forms of God. This > > is just my personal thought I may be wrong. I myself am a shakti devotee > > of Durga/Kali/ Laxmi/ Saraswati and any form of female goddess more than > > male gods. In my family many women are shiv devotees whereas many men > > are durga devotees. Don't really know why such a way but there could be > > some reasons which we don't know. > > > > Kind regards > > > > Jay > > > > > > > > Len Rosenberg [kalipadma108] > > > Saturday, April 02, 2005 12:33 PM > > > Kali_Ma > > > Re: Please Explain Kali Ma > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Garry -- > > > > > > It sounds like you've been reading Fantasy Gaming > > > books for your definitions of Kali. > > > > > > Kali is a well-established Hindu Goddess, beloved by > > > millions of Hindus. Her image has also appealed to > > > other folks, some of whom wreak changes and > > > re-interpret it. Kali is not man-hating, or EEEvil, > > > or Sado-Masochistic. Her realm is TIME, and time > > > brings Change, and sometimes change is scary. But > > > Kali is always motivated by love. And where there is > > > fear, there is power, once you face that fear. > > > > > > I recommend that you read the poems of Bengali Kali > > > devotee Ramprasad Sen. They were written in the 18th > > > Century, and Hindu Bengalis are still setting them to > > > music and singing them. As a musician, you may be > > > tempted to sing them, yourself! > > > > > > -- Len/ Kalipadma > > > > > > --- graygodrelier <garrygeer@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > From what I have found out about the Kali Ma or MA > > > > Kali, is that she > > > > lures men with thier desires and dreams and then > > > > leads them to thier > > > > horrible demise. > > > > The Goddess of Death and Destroryer of Men? > > > > > > > > The reason I ask is because such followers as maybe > > > > yourselves have > > > > embraced themselves around me and the name of this > > > > diety is interwoven > > > > through out thier socail lives together. > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > & Sincerely, > > > > Universal Seeker > > > > Garry "DAMUZI" GEER > > > > /groups/werockyou > > > > http://www.damuzi.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Sponsor > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2005 Report Share Posted April 5, 2005 Everyone thank you! Answers that I have liked and heard have had exellent keys to an understanding of a path I have been seeking to fully know. For that thank you! Answers I will not be adopting are things such as flesh, liqour and marijuana as offerings! A party girl! A crazy psycho demon killer! Its all quite a bit savage for me, and I seem to be headed a different path. I am content just being, and I thank you for the understanding! In my opinion, everyone "one" being needs to follow thier own path to enlightment, otherwise they stay followers, and only hope that the path thier leader has chosen for them, is right. Thank you again for all the answers, and statements. SINCERELY GARRY "Damuzi" Geer Kali_Ma, "jodyrrr" <jodyrrr> wrote: > > Kali_Ma, "graygodrelier" <garrygeer@g...> wrote: > > > > > It's not about being peaceful for myself. It's about > understanding at all times that I am always subject to > the will of Kali. An earthquake (or tsunami if I lived > near the ocean) could swallow me whole at any moment. > I could be struck down by a heart attack. Carjackers > could blow my head off while stealing my truck. I as > an individual am always helpless in the arms of Ma Kali, > and She's crazy, so you never know what She's going to > do next. > > She appeared in the literature as a demon-killing warrior > Goddess. The Gods fucked up and gave the demons a boon, > that they could not be defeated by men in battle. So the > demons took over heaven and the Gods were bummed. They > combined all their powers at a single point and out popped > Durga. She proceeded to vanquish the demons and restore > heaven to the folks it belonged to. When Durga got > really, really pissed off, Kali sprang from Her brow and > went psychocrazy on the demons. > > She still is worshipped with animal sacrifice and booze, > etc. She's a party Girl and likes to get down. She likes > marijuana as well. > > Not at all. It's all in the Devi Mahatmyam and the Devi > Bhagavatam. She was probably one of the dravidian Goddesses > who got assimilated into the Aryan pantheon. > > I do not worship a lighter side of anything. Think of a massive > black hole, thousands of light-years in breadth, swallowing stars > and planets whole. That is Ma Kali. > > Kali is the Mahashakti. The Mahashakti is the entirety of the > manifest universe and everything happening within it. It's not > something I chose for Kali, it's Her traditional role within the > purview of traditional shaktism. > > Nothing new below. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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