Guest guest Posted August 25, 2004 Report Share Posted August 25, 2004 Message: 2 Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:45:08 -0000 "jodyrrr" <jodyrrr Re: Kali Tongue Symbolism >For instance, there can be no female Brahman, as Brahman is not two. In other words, Brahman is not split along gender lines. Shiva as a male may represent Brahman to some, but Brahman Itself is utterly beyond any conditions and qualities, including that of gender. What about Brahmani, one of the Asta Matrikas? Is she not a female form of Brahman? - Maharani Chandra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2004 Report Share Posted August 25, 2004 Kali_Ma, Doomsday Jones <doomsdayjones@p...> wrote: > Message: 2 > Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:45:08 -0000 > "jodyrrr" <jodyrrr> > Re: Kali Tongue Symbolism > > >For instance, there can be no female Brahman, as > Brahman > is not two. In other words, Brahman is not split > along > gender lines. Shiva as a male may represent Brahman > to > some, but Brahman Itself is utterly beyond any > conditions > and qualities, including that of gender. > > What about Brahmani, one of the Asta Matrikas? Is she > not a female form of Brahman? > > - Maharani Chandra Hindu iconography can be cut a zillion ways. There's a deity and interpretation to suit every vision. I was attempting to convey the idea that Nirguna Brahman has no qualities, including that of gender, despite the fact that in the Ma Kali Dakshineswari murti, it is Shiva who represents Brahman. I'd make the argument that it is the quality of Shiva's being in nirvakalpa samadhi that signifies his representing Brahman over any qualities of gender. --jody. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2004 Report Share Posted August 26, 2004 Kali_Ma, Maha Kali Tara Ma <jai_ma_kali> wrote: > Yes Brahman is without attribute when considered as the > indivisible "one" who simply "is", Brahman "is" the source of all being, the foundation upon which rests the manifest universe, as well as being the direct source of your own being in every moment, closer to you than your own breath. > but when it contemplates > action the motive force is Shakti. Brahman "is" where Shakti > "does". Ramakrishna said "Brahman and Shakti are like fire and its power to burn." However, there is a reason to distinguish them, as Brahman is entirely actionless, and Shakti is nothing but action. You as Brahman make no decisions, and engage in no action. You as an expression of Shakti are a puppet which She choreographs along with all the rest of the manifest universe, all at once. > Thus where Shiva represents Brahman is as the contemplator > and Shakti is the "doer". Shakti is the motivation where Shiva is > the contemplation. But all are one in Samadhi. > Jai Ma > Kalimir I don't think Brahman contemplates anything, as contemplation is an action. And, there is a clear difference between Shiva's samadhi and Shakti's in the Ma Kali Dakshineswari murti. Shiva is in nirvakalpa samadhi, and has no awareness at all of the world in that state. Shakti is in sahaja samadhi, and is able to contemplate and create actions in the manifest universe. But you are correct IMO that all are one in samadhi, whether it be Shiva and Shakti or you, I, or anyone else who appears to exist as an individual in the world. --jody. > > jodyrrr <jodyrrr> wrote: > Kali_Ma, Doomsday Jones <doomsdayjones@p...> wrote: > > Message: 2 > > Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:45:08 -0000 > > "jodyrrr" <jodyrrr> > > Re: Kali Tongue Symbolism > > > > >For instance, there can be no female Brahman, as > > Brahman > > is not two. In other words, Brahman is not split > > along > > gender lines. Shiva as a male may represent Brahman > > to > > some, but Brahman Itself is utterly beyond any > > conditions > > and qualities, including that of gender. > > > > What about Brahmani, one of the Asta Matrikas? Is she > > not a female form of Brahman? > > > > - Maharani Chandra > > Hindu iconography can be cut a zillion ways. There's > a deity and interpretation to suit every vision. > > I was attempting to convey the idea that Nirguna Brahman > has no qualities, including that of gender, despite the > fact that in the Ma Kali Dakshineswari murti, it is Shiva > who represents Brahman. > > I'd make the argument that it is the quality of Shiva's > being in nirvakalpa samadhi that signifies his representing > Brahman over any qualities of gender. > > --jody. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > Links > > > Kali_Ma/ > > > Kali_Ma > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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