Guest guest Posted September 11, 2004 Report Share Posted September 11, 2004 Hi Robert, I choose to have a separate altar for Kali, as I feel she asked of me. I think you need to look at your individual relationship with her and decide from there what is right or wrong for Kali & yourself. I believe everyone's relationship with Kali is their own, sure we can overlap, doing similar (or common) acts of worship, but when it comes down to it, the relationship is between She & You. Namaste' Sue "Your vision will become clear only when you look into your heart. Who looks outside, dreams. Who looks inside, awakens." ~Carl Gustav Jung - drekiuk Kali_Ma Saturday, September 11, 2004 4:52 AM Altars. Dear Kali Bhaktas,Is it ok to have Cernunnos on the same altar as Kali? Someone told me this is wrong and will anger Kali.Thank you in advance,Robert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2004 Report Share Posted September 11, 2004 Neo-Pagans have been playing "divine smorgasbord" for many years, mixing and matching deities of many pantheons. Are you a Hindu? Is it an altar devoted yo Kali? Then I don't think including non-Hindu deities is a good idea. If you are a Neo-Pagan, and not doing authentic Hindu rituals, them knock yourself out. You can include Little Bo-Peep and Mighty Mouse on your altar. It's YOUR altar! I only ask Neo-Pagans to do a bit of research on the deities they are mixing and matching. Kali enjoys sacrificial offerings of goats at some of her temples -- so it might make Pan uncomfortable to be on an altar with Kali. I knew a woman who worshipped Kali and Jesus Christ as a Tantric couple. I don't think either deity would be comfortable with this arrangement, and I suspect it would annoy Lord Shiva. Cernunnos is a Celtic (and Wiccan) god of Nature and wild places. Celts saw him as a guardian of animal life, Wiccans see him as a Lord of the Autumn and Winter seasons. I don't see any reason why this would make Kali angry. Just don't present them as lovers or consorts. I'm performing a Puja to Ganesha at a Neo-Pagan festival on September 17th. Since there will be many Pagans of different traditions, I'm inviting four Priests or Priestesses to invoke their appropriate deities as Quarter Guardians in the Puja. But the offerings to Ganesha (and his mother Parvati) will be traditionally Hindu (if simplified). The four Deities? To the airy East, Thor (Norse), to the fiery South, Lugh (Celtic), to the watery West, Oshun (Yoruba), and to the earthy North, Demeter (Greek). I don't think Ganesha will be offended by any of this company. (Though Ganesha's temper is much milder than Ma Kali's!) -- Len/ Black Lotus On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 08:52:49 -0000 "drekiuk" <drekiuk writes: > Dear Kali Bhaktas, > > Is it ok to have Cernunnos on the same altar as Kali? Someone told > me > this is wrong and will anger Kali. > > Thank you in advance, > > Robert. > ______________ Get your name as your email address. Includes spam protection, 1GB storage, no ads and more Only $1.99/ month - visit http://www.mysite.com/name today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2004 Report Share Posted September 11, 2004 Kali_Ma, "Sue Sullivan" <frausull@a...> wrote: > Hi Robert, > > I choose to have a separate altar for Kali, as I feel she > asked of me. > > I think you need to look at your individual relationship > with her and decide from there what is right or wrong for > Kali & yourself. I believe everyone's relationship with > Kali is their own, sure we can overlap, doing similar > (or common) acts of worship, but when it comes down to > it, the relationship is between She & You. > > Namaste' > Sue Good call Sue. Any other deity is just another manifestation of Kali, and can be included on Her altar, as long as it seems appropriate in the devotee's heart. Some devotees may have different feelings about it, but we should always follow our own true feelings before relying on another's. --jody. > > > "Your vision will become clear only when you look into your heart. > Who looks outside, dreams. Who looks inside, awakens." > ~Carl Gustav Jung > > - > drekiuk > Kali_Ma > Saturday, September 11, 2004 4:52 AM > Altars. > > > Dear Kali Bhaktas, > > Is it ok to have Cernunnos on the same altar as Kali? Someone told me > this is wrong and will anger Kali. > > Thank you in advance, > > Robert. > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > Links > > > Kali_Ma/ > > b.. > Kali_Ma > > c.. Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2004 Report Share Posted September 11, 2004 Hi, Jody -- I hope you're feeling better. While I realize that all the Gods in Hinduism are perceived as facets of the great Jewel of Brahman, I still have some personal investment in the idea of polytheism. Many Hindus pick (or are chosen by) an Ishtadevata, and procede to see the Chosen Deity as their own "supreme personality of Godhead." But your insistance that Mother Kali is the ONLY valid form of divinity reminds me of the attitudes of the Krishna Consciousness people, who raise Krishna to the level of Supreme, and refer to all the other deities as "demi-gods," unworthy of receiving worship (except as paths to Krishna). Have you spent any time studying with an ISKCON group? I respect that FOR YOU, Mother Kali is the Supreme and Ultimate. Please respect that this is not necessarily the choice of all Hindus -- or even, more specifically, of all Shaktas! "ONE WAY" is a Christian concept. Hindus tend to say "Truth is One, the Paths to it are Many." A simple addendum of "for me," or "for Kali bhaktas" would go a long way towards making me less uncomfortable. -- Len/ Kalipadma <Mangalam dishtu me Sarasvati> On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 15:16:46 -0000 "jodyrrr" <jodyrrr writes: > > Good call Sue. Any other deity is just another manifestation > of Kali, and can be included on Her altar, as long as it seems > appropriate in the devotee's heart. Some devotees may have > different feelings about it, but we should always follow our > own true feelings before relying on another's. > > --jody. > ______________ Get your name as your email address. Includes spam protection, 1GB storage, no ads and more Only $1.99/ month - visit http://www.mysite.com/name today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2004 Report Share Posted September 11, 2004 Kali_Ma, kalipadma@j... wrote: > > Hi, Jody -- > > I hope you're feeling better. > > While I realize that all the Gods in Hinduism are perceived as facets of > the great Jewel of Brahman, I still have some personal investment in the > idea of polytheism. > > Many Hindus pick (or are chosen by) an Ishtadevata, and procede to see > the Chosen Deity as their own "supreme personality of Godhead." But your > insistance that Mother Kali is the ONLY valid form of divinity reminds me > of the attitudes of the Krishna Consciousness people, who raise Krishna > to the level of Supreme, and refer to all the other deities as > "demi-gods," unworthy of receiving worship (except as paths to Krishna). You've grossly misunderstood me, Len. I don't believe, in any way, shape or form, that Kali is the ONLY anything. In fact, I truly believe that any deity which is chosen by a sincere heart will be just as valid as an Ishta Devata. This is not limited to hindu deities. ANY deity will work. It's not the deity nearly as much as it is the sincere yearnings in the heart of the devotee. That said, I believe that if Kali is chosen, She is best regarded as the Mahashakti, responsible for all manifestion, rather than just regarding Her as one of many deities that one may call upon. That's how She's been regarded by the great shakta saints of India. > Have you spent any time studying with an ISKCON group? Never. Those ninnies get no respect from me. > I respect that FOR YOU, Mother Kali is the Supreme and Ultimate. Please > respect that this is not necessarily the choice of all Hindus -- or even, > more specifically, of all Shaktas! You've got a wrong idea about what I've been saying, Len. > "ONE WAY" is a Christian concept. Hindus tend to say "Truth is One, the > Paths to it are Many." > > A simple addendum of "for me," or "for Kali bhaktas" would go a long way > towards making me less uncomfortable. > > -- Len/ Kalipadma > <Mangalam dishtu me Sarasvati> Since we're in a discussion group about Kali, I'm assuming that's who we are talking about here. Ramakrishna said, "As many faiths, so many paths." I've lived that maxim from the moment I first heard it. I'm not saying there's one way, I'm just expressing my impressions and opinions about shaktism. What I'm saying is that Kali is an ultimate deity within shaktism, not just another aspect of something you call for a specific, and often merely narcissistic purpose. --jody. > On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 15:16:46 -0000 "jodyrrr" <jodyrrr> writes: > > > > Good call Sue. Any other deity is just another manifestation > > of Kali, and can be included on Her altar, as long as it seems > > appropriate in the devotee's heart. Some devotees may have > > different feelings about it, but we should always follow our > > own true feelings before relying on another's. > > > > --jody. > > > > > ______________ > Get your name as your email address. > Includes spam protection, 1GB storage, no ads and more > Only $1.99/ month - visit http://www.mysite.com/name today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2004 Report Share Posted September 23, 2004 Len, you rock my world! I am a witch (practicing 11 years now) who only works with Hindu dieties. They are what I feel most comfortable with, and I also go to a Hindu Temple. I suppose I am a religious hybrid as I celebrate Hindu festvals, and the Wiccan Sabbats and Esbats. I am always seeking to learn more about my path, and I have recently incorperated Kali-Ma as my crone goddess because of many of her aspects, but it seems that she is more appropriate as a triple goddess figure. I agree with you, I really believe that Jesus and Kali both would be unhappy with a relationship and Shiva would be pretty upset about the whole thing too! BTW- let me introduce myself. My name is Jeannette and I am a new member to this forum. I am a solitary witch who does work with a local San Diego temple. I am interested in leaning more about Kali-Ma and her numerous expansions. I suppose I am a spiritual hybrid as I have the desire how to do proper puja, went to public Mabon,and still fasted on Radhmastani (sorry about the spelling their). I am happy to meet all of you! Nameste and Blessed Be! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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