Wahe guru mantra to count for Sodarshan Chakra

[Guest guest]

Sat Nam Brad,

 

48 stomach pumps for sodashan chakra can be divided by either 3 or 4. I

have always done Sodarshan Chakra with 4 counts per wahe guru. Also, that

is the count for the Breathwalk. I have trouble making wahe guru into a

waltz. Is it a matter of habit? Did I learn sodarshan wrong the first

time?

 

As usual I am asking about trivial details. I am doing sodashan chakra

everyday and trying to do 3 counts per waheguru but feeling confused at

times. Does it matter? I think I have seen it in books with four per wahe

guru, also. Maybe I am reading my preconception.

 

Confused Sat Nam,

 

Ellen (Gian)

[Guest guest]

Sat Nam Ellen,

 

3 versus 4 pumps is probably trivial yes. If you're doing 48

you're doing it. Are you doing the 62 minutes or 31 like Gururattan

suggested?

Just let your meditation be what it is. One thing I finally

started realizing after meditating for a while is this:

you can observe or witness or label during the day too, you don't

have to be deep in meditation.

 

It sounds to me as if you are coming along fine, but your critical

mind is working overtime.

 

Blessings

 

Brad

[Guest guest]

Sat Nam Brad.

You are getting to know me pretty well.

 

I have taught Sodashan Chakra and I am chagrined to find out that I had some

details wrong. I used to be critical of teachers who taught straight out of

the reference books. Now I make small card that I keep my kriya on and also

carry the reference book. Even after I have done of kriya for 40 days,

looked over the references many times, even then I miss details.

 

Yes, I am very critical by nature. The bad aspect of that karma is not just

the negativity that I have to live with. also, I am so honest and

transparent that I let others, including people who will attack me, know my

own self criticism. I am just feeding them bullets to attack me. I don't

even have to say anything. People who want to attack will pick up on my

critical vibrations.

 

I have spent three hours out of today being attacked by students and the

principal at my school. I want to sleep tonight without waking up hopping

mad or depressed. I guess I should just quit trying to control how I feel

about all this. The real problem is to process all this karma and

reactivity. I need to do my sadhana tomorrow and enter the battle ground

again with a positive attitude.

 

Sat Nam Gian (Ellen)

[Guest guest]

Brad,

 

Forgive me for being long winded and detailed.

 

I am doing 31-62 minutes of Sodashan Chakra and 18 minutes of a long deep

breaths with my hands up in front of me as though I were saying enough is

enough to all the negativity that surrounds me at school. I do it to Jaap

Ji Sahib (Chartra chakra vartee ...). I don't chant with it, I just sit

quietly. After doing Sat Nam Rasayan on me, Guru Dev gave this to me.

(Guru Dev learned Sat Nam Rasayan from Yogi B. and is teaching it all over

the world). I don't know what it is called. He said that I should

probably do this meditation for the rest of my life. Doesn't sound very

hopeful.

 

Since last week, I have started holding my tongue at the top of my mouth and

holding my lower teeth slightly forward from their normal position. Nivarir

Kaur Khalsa describes this in The Ten Light Bodies of Consciousness. It is

called Dhrib Dhristi Lochina Karma Kriya if the hands are in gian mudra. My

hand are not in Gian mudra, so I am perverting this kriya, I suppose. Also,

you are supposed to chant Sa Ta Na Ma silently and projecting to the brow.

I am doing this anyway, but not silently chanting Sa Ta Na Ma. Instead I am

listening to Jaap Ji Sahib instead.. One of the effects of Dhrib Dhristi

Lochina Karma Kriya is your view of other auras become clearer. I am

amazed because after just a few days of this, I am seeing the aura with much

more vibrant colors.

 

Problaby this combination of two kriya is not advised.?? Hold the tongue

and jaw position is difficult. Having more to focus on holding seems

helpful to rein in the wandering mind. I struggle to hold the posture and

keep my mind focused. Should I stop this added complexity because the kriya

insturctions do not mention the tongue or jaw postition??

 

I usually do a maintance yoga set before I start the pranayamas. Depending

on my energy level and time, I do 1-3 minutes of every excersice in the

kriya. This morning I was up at 2:30 am and didn't feel like even doing my

hair or taking a shower. I just wanted to go back to sleep. I know I

wouldn't sleep if I tried, to so I did 31 minutes of Sodarshan Chakra.

After the pranayama, I slept like a baby and the Sodarshan Chakra passed

very quickly and easily.

 

I don't go into these deep meditative states that others experience. I have

done it before so I know how it feels. Time dissappears. You don't sleep,

but you go somewhere else. I don't see colors or anything.

 

I have a hard time with the eyes gazing at the nose. Often, they eyes go

off to no where or only one eye is looking at the nose and the other eye is

taking a vacation. Do you have any suggestions? Both of my kriaya are

done with 1/10 eyes open. It is much more difficult than looking at the 3rd

eye because i can see my wandering mind.

 

Since the discussion of the one minute breath, I have been going to bed with

11 minutes of one minute breath (actually only 15 wahe gurus per breath) It

is very comfortable and I am not pushing it.

[Guest guest]

Ellen-

I can understand what you are saying. I am also very detail oriented

and very self-critical (colleagues call me a perfectionist). And I am

also very honest and open. I would share my own perceptions about

myself with others when they asked. Whenever 'attacked' (as you say)

I usually would not 'fight' back but simply take it. Most of the time

I felt that they were correct in what they were saying. I would take

a lot of what happened at work personally and get quite frustrated

when things didn't progress like I knew they could and should.

 

My attitude has changed quite drastically since reading a book awhile

back. I honestly forget the name of it, but it had to do with

attitudes. In fact, I forgot just about everything else in the book,

except for one story. In the one section of the book, they were

discussing the story of a jewish concentration camp victim. The

german's were never able to break his spirit. With all of the

physical and mental abuse that he endured and witnessed, he continued

to be happy. He would smile and treat others with respect and

dignity. No one could understand how he could be so happy in such an

environment. He ended up being a huge inspiration to others in that

camp. He later explained that, while he may have had every right to

be miserable and bitter and hateful, he refused to do so. In

succombing to thinking and feeling those things, they (the germans)

would have won. He refused to allow them to impact how he saw life.

How he felt about himself and others.

 

I don't do this story near the amount of justice that it deserves.

But I read it several times because I couldn't fully understand it

myself at first. But then it dawned on me. It's the same thing that

you hear many times, but it didn't hit home with me until reading his

story. Every decision is your own. No one, no matter what the

circumstance, can 'make' you do or feel anything. You allow it to

happen to yourself. You can choose to be bitter or to be critical of

yourself and others, or you can choose to do the best that you can,

and if you fall short of perfection, so be it. As long as you did

your best, no one, including yourself, can expect anything further.

You also can't control the actions or reactions of others. So

allowing yourself to get frustrated because of what they do or don't

do is a waste of your time and energy. Simply do what you feel should

be done according to your own standard. KY had also helped to re-

affirm the concept and make it easier to apply this philosophy.

 

I grew up in an alcholic home. And while my father wasn't really

physically abusive, he was extremely abusive verbally. I know that's

where a lot of my self-criticism and low esteem came from. However,

I've really out-grown a lot of that over the past several years. I

see big differences in the way I see myself. I'm now working on

applying that philosopy in my dealings with others. KY has been

really helpful in dealing with others. Not socially, I'm quite an

extravert. But on the way I react to others, or more aptly, the way I

allow myself to react to others.

 

This is pretty long, and I'm not sure if it helps. But I saw some

underlying themes in your post that struck a chord with me and

thought this may be useful.

 

Just remember, when the attacks come on you, they are usually talking

in anger, and most times it's not about you. Try to let it roll off

of you and not sink inside.

 

Christa

[Guest guest]

Sat Nam Gian, Ellen

 

You're doing alot of different meds. When I do meds I have a time frame

in mind, and a goal I'm working towards. How long are you planning on doing

Sodarshan? The med Guru Dev gave you no doubt is something you need.

 

"I am perverting this kriya, I suppose" - Why?

 

"Instead I am listening to Jaap Ji Sahib instead" - Why?

 

"One of the effects of Dhrib Dhristi Lochina Karma Kriya is your view of

other auras become clearer." - But why are you doing it? Sometimes

I monitor my sadhana to make sure I'm not doing kriyas and meds just to be doing

them,..ego,

which used to happen, but rarely anymore.

 

"Should I stop this added complexity because the kriya insturctions do not

mention the tongue or jaw postition??" - Would you advise a

student to change

a meditation for no reason? If you are still talking about Dhrib Dhristi, my

instructions say "The tips of the teeth are together. The tongue

should touch the palate."

 

"Often, they eyes go off to no where or only one eye is looking at the nose

and the other eye is taking a vacation. Do you have any

suggestions?"

Yes, stare at the tip of your nose, and if thats what you are doing then fine.

You either are or you aren't. Its not necessarily what the eyes

see, I believe, but what

effect the eye position has on the 3rd eye. You should feel some slight

pressure

in the 3rd eye when you hold your eyes 1/10 open at the tip of the nose.

 

"It is much more difficult" - Then thats probably another good reason to use

that eye position. Something is being 'adjusted'.

 

"going to bed with the one minute breath" - you are doing alot of different

meds,

don't wear yourself out mentally, and be aware of 'who is running the show'.

 

Blessings

 

Brad

[Guest guest]

I am teaching middle school children Japanese and not very good at it

because I have no training or experience. My most difficult class today

started with an open bottle of water diluted hair rise hitting me on the

back as I was bending to clean up another student created mess. I lost it.

A student came to me with a book that was about to go out the window and I

yelled at her "give me that damned book." Because I lost it, the kids had

the upper hand and they knew it. When my back was turned someone dumped

everything on my desk (piles of school papers) on the floor, at regular

intervals threw my files around the classroom and we could do absolutely

nothing constructive. In 80 degree heat the windows were closed (to prevent

book throwing under the principal's orders), they were putting paper in the

fan so that it would break. It was crazy. This continued for about 30

minutes when I think they got tired. I had another class like this with

just a different twist to the saga. Nobody means any harm, they are just

sick of studying and to tell the truth I am sick of teaching.

 

Brad I got up this morning and read you message on "maybe the neutral mind

will win," but it didn't. I am saying good bye to students for probably the

last time because I won't come back to this chaos, but I don't even have the

integrity to tell them that. Chris, I am not smiling like your

concentration camp prisoner. I don't know if I am the guard or the

prisoner. In my case, probably both. I can just hear students cheering if

I told them that I am quitting. Because they would then know there is no

future, they would be even worse. I haven't told the administration either

for similar reasons, except in their case they will have a very difficult

time finding a replacement.

 

I woke up at 3 am and did a liver kriya and and anger release kriya. I was

thinking of Brad's words when I went to school. I knew I was in for terror.

Is there an emergency kirya for this kind of situation? It is so silly.

Just water, hair rinse and paper flying. Yesterday it was glue and a filing

box. Not bullets. But because I am supposed to be in charge of these

crazies, I feel responsible for the occurances in the classroom and indeed,

I am blamed. The dean came and yelled at me for lacking eyes in the back

of my head and I just appologized. The neutral mind was working. I am

getting very disengaged from the problems that this school is having. They

extend way beyond my control. I went to school thinking I will not take

responsibility for the Karma of others. I will draw the line at that which

I can control None of these fine thoughts worked.

[Guest guest]

On Thursday, June 13, 2002, at 05:50 PM, Ellen Madono wrote:

 

Nobody means any harm, they are just

sick of studying and to tell the truth I am sick of teaching.

 

Ellen, you poor thing!

You brought back so many memories, I put myself through college in

Virginia substitute teaching! It seemed like I worked full time during

May and June -I used to thank God for burned-out teachers, they help buy

my books, and pay my tuition! The poor students got an ex-Marine Corps

Sergeant, just months out of the service! Now, I can see they deserved

it ;-)

But I chose not to go into teaching for the very same experiences -my

hat goes off to you!

 

One hint, never under estimate the use of one very good "stone-cold,

drop-dead-and-die" stare. It unnerves the kids.

 

-cris

 

Cris Naugle

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