Guest guest Posted August 11, 2002 Report Share Posted August 11, 2002 Satnam ji's Seva simran mentioned that the subtle body is located at the feet. I learnt about this a while back when I was desperately ill and near death. I would feel my soul leaving and then I would start getting these funny sensations in my foot. I would have to basically tense my feet to stay in my body. I still feel these sensations in my foot and I am no where near death anymore!? but was wondering if sensations of the subtle body is common in this area. I heard that the masters leave their bodies and use their subtle body to heal but can you really do this? are there techniques to access and strenghten this if you have already had this can of experience.There is so much to learn! sir khalsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2002 Report Share Posted August 12, 2002 I already knew about intellectually because it is part of the teachings. But it became real me for me in a couple of ways. I was experimenting with some different kinds of meditation and teaching some people how to do journeying. Intuitively I started going to the soles of the feet, and having students do that too. Then suddenly, presto, I was deep inside a journey that was much more real and intense and transformative than doing the journeying any other way. Another way I worked with it was through the yoga nidra relaxation/meditation practice which you do lying on your back in corpse pose. You move your awareness around the body and when I got to the feet I started breathing in and out of the feet and began experiecing a strong communication with my subtle body and what was going on with it. One pointer - the subtle body is feminine so it has to be handled with calmness and receptivity. As for your near death experience, I imagine that the subtle body is locked into the body at the feet and so when you die the screws loosen so that's probably why you got tingling. There are also major chi gates (K1) on the soles of the feet which when opened allow for all toxic energies to leave the body. Those gates are very yin and that's why when you are sick in a certain way you often feel heavy and can't get out of bed - yin energy is dominating. I guess if you become too yin you die. This relationship between yin energy, sickness and the feet is also probably one of the reasons people do experience their subtle body a lot when they are sick. Seva Simran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2002 Report Share Posted August 12, 2002 Satnam Seva simran and others, Great information on the subtle body and the feet. I will try to close the locks( : My dad told me that there are a couple of gates that the soul can leave. I forgot the ones other than the feet. I also wanted to know if the soul is the subtle body or if it leaves with the subtle body. I guess the soul.. is the soul but ..oh just write me back will yuh. Thanks a lot you divine beings happy and more educated sir khalsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2002 Report Share Posted August 13, 2002 Satnam ji, Thank you for that very important information. I was also wondering if you can be liberated while alive or do you have to die to be liberated and move on to another realm? sir khalsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2002 Report Share Posted August 13, 2002 Subtle body is what carries the soul. There seems to be some debate about where the soul exits, the third eye point or the crown. One wouldn't leave through the feet; I would say the feet are kind of an anchor or doorway for the subtle body - a doorway thorugh which consciousness contacts the subtle body and also part of the fascinating way in which the physical body holds all the different parts of our being. At death the subtle body would leave with the soul through its usual route. Seva Simran jaapsahib wrote: > Satnam Seva simran and others, > Great information on the subtle body and the feet. I will try to close the > locks( : > My dad told me that there are a couple of gates that the soul can leave. I > forgot the ones other than the feet. I also wanted to know if the soul is the > subtle body or if it leaves with the subtle body. I guess the soul.. is the > soul but ..oh just write me back will yuh. Thanks a lot you divine beings > happy and more educated > sir khalsa > > > > > "OUR DESTINY IS TO BE HAPPY" > - Yogi Bhajan > > You can UNSUBSCRIBE from this list at the Groups Member Center (My Groups), or send mail to > Kundaliniyoga > NO UNSUBSCRIBE REQUESTS TO THE LIST PLEASE! > WEB SITE: kundalini yoga > > KUNDALINI YOGA ON-LINE TRAINING. Details from > kundalini yogaclasses.html > > Sponsored by YOGA TECHNOLOGY - Practical Books & Videos on Kundalini Yoga & Meditation. Also Meditation & Mantra CDs. > > Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2002 Report Share Posted August 13, 2002 Sat Nam, > My dad told me that there are a couple of gates that the soul can leave. Yogi Bhajan taught us that we should leave througlh the crown chakra if we want to be liberated. If you are with someone who is dying you can tell them this and help them practice leaving their body through the top of the head or put your hand on the top of their head as they are leaving. Sat Nam, Gururattan Kaur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2002 Report Share Posted August 13, 2002 Now Now , You are not going to get away with that information and not expect me to want to know what exactly you mean. You must elaborate ji.If you don't want to do so on the group send me a post.I am open to all mysteries of life!! sir khalsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2002 Report Share Posted August 13, 2002 There is an interesting bhuddist training called phowa that teaches you to do this automatically when you die. They too train you to go out the top of the head. The kundalini yoga version of this training would probably be the wahe guru exercise for dying that really should be done for 40 days so it goes in. The etheric element is the last to go when you die so whispering the mantra sat nam or wahe guru in their ear would be very effective, since hearing is controlled by ether. Liberation is when you have completely severed identification with the little, finite self, permanently. Gururattan K.Khalsa wrote: > Sat Nam, > > > My dad told me that there are a couple of gates that the soul can leave. > > Yogi Bhajan taught us that we should leave througlh the crown chakra if we > want to be liberated. If you are with someone who is dying you can tell > them this and help them practice leaving their body through the top of the > head or put your hand on the top of their head as they are leaving. > > Sat Nam, > > Gururattan Kaur > > > "OUR DESTINY IS TO BE HAPPY" > - Yogi Bhajan > > You can UNSUBSCRIBE from this list at the Groups Member Center (My Groups), or send mail to > Kundaliniyoga > NO UNSUBSCRIBE REQUESTS TO THE LIST PLEASE! > WEB SITE: kundalini yoga > > KUNDALINI YOGA ON-LINE TRAINING. Details from > kundalini yogaclasses.html > > Sponsored by YOGA TECHNOLOGY - Practical Books & Videos on Kundalini Yoga & Meditation. Also Meditation & Mantra CDs. > > Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2002 Report Share Posted August 13, 2002 Furtherance to my previous comment........people freshly dead often show up in my classes (no pun intendend) as if looking for a blessing and I always say Sat Nam to them and they go. Seva Simran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2002 Report Share Posted August 14, 2002 The part about the recently dead coming to your class( : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2002 Report Share Posted August 14, 2002 Which bit did you want me to elaborate upon? Seva Simran jaapsahib wrote: > Now Now , You are not going to get away with that information and not expect > me to want to know what exactly you mean. You must elaborate ji.If you > don't want to do so on the group send me a post.I am open to all mysteries of > life!! > sir khalsa > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2002 Report Share Posted August 14, 2002 Since you asked.............it is one of the quirky sort of gifts I have that I can see things happening in the subtle/astral realm. And I have noticed that whenever there is a lot of spiritual energy being generated there are a lot of "visitors." It seems that the freshly dead often need or want some kind of blessing in order to carry on with their transition and kundalini yoga classes is one of the places they can get it. I imagine it happens in lots of people's classes; they may or may not be aware of it. It happens to me sometimes when I'm sitting in my living room too. I usually say, what do you want, and they say a blessing. So I say Sat Nam and they go. Weird isn't it!!!!!Sometimes I get visitations from other more transcendent types when it is important to pray for something, so I do, or at least I try to get in the habit of it. It is hard to take seriously. However, the interesting thing is that this particular skill has helped me verify many of the teachings that may otherwise require faith to believe in and so I am grateful for that. Some of the things I see crawl out of people when I do healing is rather shocking sometimes however. On a more practical note, I'm also a pretty good cook and make good political predictions. Seva Simran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2002 Report Share Posted August 14, 2002 Thanks for sharing Seva. When you first posted "newly dead" I thought you meant live people that were dead spiritually. But you actually meant "newly dead." I must admit that I got a kick out of reading your post. I was imagining it as I read it (and I was smiling/chuckling most of the way through it). I don't know about the others, but feel free to 'share' those things whenever you feel like it! On a more serious note, I have a 'dumb' question. Why do people go to 'healers'? I've seen stuff about Reiki and energy and healers. But I'm not real clear on what they do. Does a healer actually heal part of the body, soul or something else? And what, if any, is the difference between a healer and reiki? I had thought that reiki simply 'gave' you extra energy when you were feeling low (kinda like filling up on gas when the tanks low). But I'm just guessing at all this. Since you mentioned that you heal others, I thought I'd ask. Christa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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