Guest guest Posted February 26, 2003 Report Share Posted February 26, 2003 Hi again, I am hoping the fact that there was no reply to my last posting doesn't mean no-one has info in this regard? (Energistic breathing after Sat Kriya) Although I have been d to this list for a while now and have worked with other Yoga forms a litle, I have only just started along the road of trying KY for myself. Would hate to have to stop almost as soon as I have begun but.. I have concerns in relation to continuing this exercise as the same thing happens each time I or my friend try the Sat Kriya. It is a little disconcerting to feel the body calmly deciding to stop breathing even though it is obvious energy is being absorbed in an alternative means. It is difficult to know whether to gradually increase the time of practice when this would appear to mean increasing the amount of time in which the body is not breathing in what we would generally consider a normal manner! It seems that an awareness of ensuring all areas of the body are breathing energy is important. My friend today experienced .. shall i call it "interesting" vision afterwards. He was not aware of any energy being taken in through the eyes although it was apparent that the majority of his body was now absorbing enregy through the skin. Perhaps being aware of such sensitive areas of the body is important? Perhaps having some idea of what you are doing would help? *grin* Anyway, tis all quite amazing and breathtaking *laugh*, and we could possibly muddle along, but would love some pointers in the right direction. Please? Love and Light Alison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2003 Report Share Posted February 27, 2003 Satnam ji, I understand the need to know and when I do Sat kriya I do notice the change in the breathing. I have always felt that the kriya was adjusting the breath and there was nothing to worry about. In relation to doing the kriya I would not stop. It is a very powerful blessing to have in your life and will create change that years of practice of other forms will not do. My husband does Sat kriya a lot and has suffered from asthma since childhood . The last time I checked he was doing about an hour and 50 minutes on a regular basis after building his practice for over two years. He has not used an inhaler in years. His breathing problems are almost gone.He is still alive and well..although I wonder sometimes why would anyone want to do it that long ...3 mins fixes me just fine.. Maybe you should trust the kriya for a while. You did not mention that you felt that it was hurting you so... keep up and keep experiencing it as long as you feel safe with it.hope I helped God bless you satnam kaur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2003 Report Share Posted February 27, 2003 Sat Nam, Alison > I have concerns in relation to continuing this exercise as the same > thing happens each time I or my friend try the Sat Kriya. It is a > little disconcerting to feel the body calmly deciding to stop > breathing even though it is obvious energy is being absorbed in an > alternative means. Where you writing from? Your body stopped breathing? Ususually that means that you die or leave your body. > It is difficult to know whether to gradually increase the time of > practice when this would appear to mean increasing the amount of time > in which the body is not breathing in what we would generally > consider a normal manner! Your mind is concerned that you are not breathing in a normal manner? Then the problem is in the mind that wants to be in control and will not allow an alternative experience. > It seems that an awareness of ensuring all areas of the body are > breathing energy is important. You want to be in control of all areas? That is not possible. Breathing function is both automatic and under our control. My friend today experienced .. shall > i call it "interesting" vision afterwards. He was not aware of any > energy being taken in through the eyes although it was apparent that > the majority of his body was now absorbing enregy through the skin. Awesome. Get into the experience. > Perhaps being aware of such sensitive areas of the body is important? Awareness of all kinds is very important. Ky is the yoga of awareness. > Perhaps having some idea of what you are doing would help? *grin* Sounds like you have a good idea of what you are doing. Be with it and all the knowledge will be revealed. > Anyway, tis all quite amazing and breathtaking *laugh*, and we could > possibly muddle along, but would love some pointers in the right > direction. Cultilvate awareness, let go into the experience, enjoy your sensitivity, give up control, surrender to the known, trust your body and the Divine and be grateful that you are alive. And keep grinning. :+) You will go straight to the heart and bypass the head. Sat Nam, Gururattan Kaur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2003 Report Share Posted February 28, 2003 Hullooo again, Thankyou very much for the replies, it is wonderful to receive feedback! I think I may not have expressed some of the experiences clearly though. > Where you writing from? Your body stopped breathing? Ususually that means that you die or leave your body. I am writing from Melbourne, Australia. The body appeared to no longer consider breathing oxygen so important although it was certainly breathing energy. It appears to have been like a spontaneous extension of Kumbhaka although there was no intention to hold the breath. Breathing spontaneously slowed and then suspended with both of us although for Rik this was a more extended experience. I was too excited by how amazing the experience was and moved out of the experience, back to habitual oxygen breathing rather than energy as I wanted to talk about it and see what his experience had been. I have read somewhere that Kumbhaka (the lengthening of pauses between in and out breath?) can teach the body to utilise oxygen more efficiently, and so the rate of breathing slows during pranayama practice. Also the body utilises the energy that is breathed in more efficiently. I am playing connect the dots and guessing that this may be a part of what was happening due to the Sat kriya and the energy is feeding the cells in a way the oxygen normally would. This is certainly what it felt like. Just thoughts.. > Your mind is concerned that you are not breathing in a normal manner? Then the problem is in the mind that wants to be in control and will not allow an alternative experience. Not exactly - the alternative experience is quite wonderful, however being only a beginner to KY and wanting to respect the bodies limits and not push too far too fast has led to a quest for more info. It seems to be quite natural, beautiful, peaceful and the mind is completely lucid while doing it, however we felt the bodies limits were something to be mindful of. > > It seems that an awareness of ensuring all areas of the body are breathing energy is important. > You want to be in control of all areas? That is not possible. Breathing function is both automatic and under our control. How to explain.. umm.. it's not about control in that sense - going with the flow suits fine, I don't know that this experience could happen if we tried to control too much. Just thought we may get so blissed out in going with the flow that we may push it too far and cause damage to the physical body. After Rik's last brief try with Sat kriya left him with temporary blurry and spotty vision which it seemed may have been through oxygen deprivation to such sensitive cells. He realised that he had been aware of energy being taken into the body through many areas of his body but not the eyes. He plans to be more mindful of them next time. As the stopping of oxygen breathing happens during the relaxation afterwards we have discussed setting an alarm to ensure relaxation only goes for a set time to assist with allowing the experience to unfold at a rate the body can safely handle. Any other ideas would be great. My limited understanding of pranayama includes reading as to one of the objectives or effects of extensive practice of pranayama/breath practices being greater awareness of the bodies functioning and thereby previously automatic impulses may come into conscious control. Although awareness and being is the main role during the practice, we felt maybe parameters for safety could be worthwhile? And an ability to breathe energy instead of oxygen "at will" may come in handy if I ever take up scuba diving and forget to fill the tanks. As conventional wisdom has it that the body requires oxygen for nourishment, (not something that i necessarily to; I feel it is probably possible that the energy breathing can fulfil the functions that oxygen normally provides) we felt it may be useful to allow the body and current self's awareness time to adjust/adapt/process/learn/integrate this new way? > Cultilvate awareness, let go into the experience, enjoy your sensitivity, give up control, surrender to the known, trust your body and the Divine and be grateful that you are alive. And keep grinning. :+) You will go straight to the heart and bypass the head. > Thankyou Oops, getting a bit lengthy here!! Looking forward to any further feedback, Love and Light Alison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2003 Report Share Posted March 1, 2003 Hi, I have yet to do Sat Kriya but would like proper instructions on how. Might I find this on the website or in one of Gururattan's manuals? Any instruction would be great. Thanks.. Anand _______________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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