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Sat Nam Magpie /|\,

I am curious what you've already found. It is not clear to me from

your words (copied below) what "different spiritual tradition" it is you

are trying to find relations to. Could you clarify? Is it between India

and North American Indians or some other?

I don't know if this will help you in your search or if it will

mess you up. If you are looking for origins, you'll need to go earlier

and broader than the Indus Valley...and earlier than the Vedas.

 

To begin with, Yogi Bhajan has said the Kundalini Yoga, the Mother

of all Yogas, is a "Black Science". These are HIS WORDS. Meaning it came

from Africa, which flies in the face of pop-ular knowledge.

This has always intrigued me. I always wondered what was going on

with the images we've all seen of Egyptians painted on the tombs. The

angles of their bodies and how I came to be aware that in yoga we "pray"

with our bodies, not just our lips. In 2001 had my chance to go a bit

deeper into Yogiji's assertion when I met Dr. Sebai Muata Ashby

and Hemit Dja Ashby. From their words and projection I could feel deeply

their thorough under-standing (not limited to the intellect) and

groundedness in the Kundalini experience, both as an internal experience

and as an experience of it how we hold our experience in community. It

was very validating and inspiring. He has done his homework!

""Dr. Sebai Muata Ashby performed an original decipherment and

translation of the Ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead and discovered a

term that unravels the mystical disciplines of Ancient African

Philosophy for attaining self mastery and Enlightenment. This term is

Sema Tawi, translated "Egyptian Yoga." Egyptian Yoga is a term that

reveals the paths to attain the highest goal of spirituality, supreme

wisdom and immortality. The Ancient Kamitans practiced certain

disciplines including postures, chants, meditations, wisdom teachings,

manipulations of life force, ritual and other disciplines to purify the

body mind and soul and to discover the infinite and transcendental truth.""

In his books you see detailed and documented evidences showing that

Yoga disciplines originated and were practiced in Ancient Africa earlier

than anywhere else in history!

""The questions of the history of Ancient Egypt, and the latest

archeological evidences showing civilization and culture in Ancient

Egypt and its spread to other countries, has intrigued many scholars as

well as mystics over the years. Also, the possibility that Ancient

Egyptian priests and priestesses migrated to Greece, India and other

countries to carry on the traditions of the Ancient Egyptian Mysteries,

has been speculated over the years as well. This volume documents the

existence and nature of Ancient African civilization, Religion and

Philosophy. Using techniques of Cultural Anthropology and Comparative

mythology, this new book, fully explores the motifs, symbols and

philosophical correlations between Ancient Egyptian and Indian mysticism

and clearly shows not only that Ancient Egypt and India were connected

culturally but also spiritually. Also, this volume confronts the notions

that civilization began in Mesopotamia or the Indus and shows how

Ancient Egyptian wisdom, spirituality and philosophy emerged first in

history and influenced if not engendered the civilizations known as

Sumer, Assyria, Babylon, Indus and Aryan.""

 

""These discoveries have great importance for those who follow the

philosophy of Ancient Egypt and Ancient Africa. It shows that Africa

gave rise to a vast philosophy of social order (Maat) and spiritual

culture prior to the advent of Confucianism, Hinduism and Buddhism,

Judaism, Islam and Christianity. All of this expands our understanding

of the unity of culture and the deep legacy of Yoga, which stretches

into the distant past, beyond the Indus Valley civilization, the

earliest known high culture in India as well as the Vedic tradition of

Aryan culture. African History, Culture, Philosophy, Yoga Mysticism!""

Check it out at

http://members.aol.com/Egyptyoga/AfricanOrigins/

Sat Nam,

Dharam Singh

 

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>Sat nam yogis!

>

>I have a slightly off topic (perhaps) question. I'm trying to resolve a

>historical question regarding a different spiritual tradition to this fine

>one, and its relation to native Indian tradition. To resolve I'd like to

>find the answer to the following:

>

>How old is Yoga as a technology? Is there any written or archaeological

>evidence that makes it possible to give it a place in (pre)history as a

>technology that was being used by people at any given time in (pre)history?

>

>If anyone can answer that, it'd be extremely helpful to my research if it

>could be followed up with references.

>

>I'd love to find out!

>

>Many thanks,

>

> - Magpie /|\

>

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>KUNDALINI YOGA ON-LINE TRAINING. Details from

>kundalini yogaclasses.html

>

>Transitions to a Heart Centered World - Gururattan K. Khalsa Ph.D.

>The most comprehensive source of Yogi Bhajan's Kundalini Yoga sets and

meditations available!

>transitions.html

>

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Sat Nam Magpie /|\,

I am curious what you've already found. It is not clear to me from

your words (copied below) what "different spiritual tradition" it is you

are trying to find relations to. Could you clarify? Is it between India

and North American Indians or some other?

I don't know if this will help you in your search or if it will

mess you up. If you are looking for origins, you'll need to go earlier

and broader than the Indus Valley...and earlier than the Vedas.

 

To begin with, Yogi Bhajan has said the Kundalini Yoga, the Mother

of all Yogas, is a "Black Science". These are HIS WORDS. Meaning it came

from Africa, which flies in the face of pop-ular knowledge.

This has always intrigued me. I always wondered what was going on

with the images we've all seen of Egyptians painted on the tombs. The

angles of their bodies and how I came to be aware that in yoga we "pray"

with our bodies, not just our lips. In 2001 had my chance to go a bit

deeper into Yogiji's assertion when I met Dr. Sebai Muata Ashby

and Hemit Dja Ashby. From their words and projection I could feel deeply

their thorough under-standing (not limited to the intellect) and

groundedness in the Kundalini experience, both as an internal experience

and as an experience of it how we hold our experience in community. It

was very validating and inspiring. He has done his homework!

""Dr. Sebai Muata Ashby performed an original decipherment and

translation of the Ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead and discovered a

term that unravels the mystical disciplines of Ancient African

Philosophy for attaining self mastery and Enlightenment. This term is

Sema Tawi, translated "Egyptian Yoga." Egyptian Yoga is a term that

reveals the paths to attain the highest goal of spirituality, supreme

wisdom and immortality. The Ancient Kamitans practiced certain

disciplines including postures, chants, meditations, wisdom teachings,

manipulations of life force, ritual and other disciplines to purify the

body mind and soul and to discover the infinite and transcendental truth.""

In his books you see detailed and documented evidences showing that

Yoga disciplines originated and were practiced in Ancient Africa earlier

than anywhere else in history!

""The questions of the history of Ancient Egypt, and the latest

archeological evidences showing civilization and culture in Ancient

Egypt and its spread to other countries, has intrigued many scholars as

well as mystics over the years. Also, the possibility that Ancient

Egyptian priests and priestesses migrated to Greece, India and other

countries to carry on the traditions of the Ancient Egyptian Mysteries,

has been speculated over the years as well. This volume documents the

existence and nature of Ancient African civilization, Religion and

Philosophy. Using techniques of Cultural Anthropology and Comparative

mythology, this new book, fully explores the motifs, symbols and

philosophical correlations between Ancient Egyptian and Indian mysticism

and clearly shows not only that Ancient Egypt and India were connected

culturally but also spiritually. Also, this volume confronts the notions

that civilization began in Mesopotamia or the Indus and shows how

Ancient Egyptian wisdom, spirituality and philosophy emerged first in

history and influenced if not engendered the civilizations known as

Sumer, Assyria, Babylon, Indus and Aryan.""

 

""These discoveries have great importance for those who follow the

philosophy of Ancient Egypt and Ancient Africa. It shows that Africa

gave rise to a vast philosophy of social order (Maat) and spiritual

culture prior to the advent of Confucianism, Hinduism and Buddhism,

Judaism, Islam and Christianity. All of this expands our understanding

of the unity of culture and the deep legacy of Yoga, which stretches

into the distant past, beyond the Indus Valley civilization, the

earliest known high culture in India as well as the Vedic tradition of

Aryan culture. African History, Culture, Philosophy, Yoga Mysticism!""

Check it out at

http://members.aol.com/Egyptyoga/AfricanOrigins/

Sat Nam,

Dharam Singh

 

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J Wiseman wrote:

 

>Sat nam yogis!

>

>I have a slightly off topic (perhaps) question. I'm trying to resolve a

>historical question regarding a different spiritual tradition to this fine

>one, and its relation to native Indian tradition. To resolve I'd like to

>find the answer to the following:

>

>How old is Yoga as a technology? Is there any written or archaeological

>evidence that makes it possible to give it a place in (pre)history as a

>technology that was being used by people at any given time in (pre)history?

>

>If anyone can answer that, it'd be extremely helpful to my research if it

>could be followed up with references.

>

>I'd love to find out!

>

>Many thanks,

>

> - Magpie /|\

>

>

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>

>

>

>"OUR DESTINY IS TO BE HAPPY" - Yogi Bhajan

>

>To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, please send a blank email to

>Kundaliniyoga

>NO UNSUBSCRIBE REQUESTS TO THE LIST PLEASE!>

>

>WEB SITE: kundalini yoga

>

>KUNDALINI YOGA ON-LINE TRAINING. Details from

>kundalini yogaclasses.html

>

>Transitions to a Heart Centered World - Gururattan K. Khalsa Ph.D.

>The most comprehensive source of Yogi Bhajan's Kundalini Yoga sets and

meditations available!

>transitions.html

>

>Your use of is subject to

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

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Don't forget that both the Egyptian and Atlantean cultures destroyed

themselves as an outcome of their mastery over the life force. As

well, they turned what was once a lush paradise into a virtuallly

lifeless desert. Personally, I think we should study what went wrong

in their consciousness before we even think of emulating them -

something every serious kundalini yogi should think deeply on.>

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Here Here!

You can never give too much thanks, give too praise or be too humble.

Humme Hum, Brahm Hum (We are we, and we are one...On a higher spiritual

level, it means, we are already everything we need to be so why all the

striving and struggling?)

Sat Nam,

Dharam

 

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>Don't forget that both the Egyptian and Atlantean cultures destroyed

>themselves as an outcome of their mastery over the life force. As

>well, they turned what was once a lush paradise into a virtuallly

>lifeless desert. Personally, I think we should study what went wrong

>in their consciousness before we even think of emulating them -

>something every serious kundalini yogi should think deeply on.>

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wow! that was really valuable information for the seeker...and it really makes

sense because it complements the theory that Kundalini was the spiritual

practice of the Atlantians and after Atlantis was destroyed, the people who

survived migrated and passed their sacred knowledge to Egypt, South America

(Mayas) and Asia (India-Tibet).

love and light

 

>""Dr. Sebai Muata Ashby performed an original decipherment and translation of

the Ancient Egyptian Book of the Dead and discovered a term that unravels the

mystical disciplines of Ancient African Philosophy for attaining self mastery

and Enlightenment. This term is Sema Tawi, translated "Egyptian Yoga."

 

 

 

 

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WEB SITE: kundalini yoga

 

KUNDALINI YOGA ON-LINE TRAINING. Details from

kundalini yogaclasses.html

 

Transitions to a Heart Centered World - Gururattan K. Khalsa Ph.D.

The most comprehensive source of Yogi Bhajan's Kundalini Yoga sets and

meditations available!

transitions.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

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.... I have a question....what is it that goes wrong in one's consciousness, that

their use of power becomes corrupt? Are there many factors or does it boil down

to something at the base?

How is it, that one can master the Life Force, without having mastered

consciousness first?

A thought that passes through my mind around this is....power that is drawn

from some source outside of our selves, will always create an imbalance in our

outer world...due to the fact that you are "taking" from...it creates decay

eventually.

If the power, was a projection of the inner light, and thus a reflection, of the

connection to the Divine Source...it would be in the vien of co-creating rather

than robbery?

This last description of power, would require being in integrity with

God...being one.

I think I may have answered my own question....we as humans have the power to

manifest...but it is the "quality" of what we manifest that is subject to our

consciouness. Anyone can manifest...the question is, from where are your

manifestations born?

sevasimransingh <mark.terrell wrote:Don't forget that both the

Egyptian and Atlantean cultures destroyed

themselves as an outcome of their mastery over the life force. As

well, they turned what was once a lush paradise into a virtuallly

lifeless desert. Personally, I think we should study what went wrong

in their consciousness before we even think of emulating them -

something every serious kundalini yogi should think deeply on.>

>

>

>

 

"OUR DESTINY IS TO BE HAPPY" - Yogi Bhajan

 

To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, please send a blank email to

Kundaliniyoga

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WEB SITE: kundalini yoga

 

KUNDALINI YOGA ON-LINE TRAINING. Details from

kundalini yogaclasses.html

 

Transitions to a Heart Centered World - Gururattan K. Khalsa Ph.D.

The most comprehensive source of Yogi Bhajan's Kundalini Yoga sets and

meditations available!

transitions.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Sat Sangeet wrote:

 

>... I have a question....what is it that goes wrong in one's consciousness,

that their use of power becomes corrupt? Are there many factors or does it boil

down to something at the base?

>How is it, that one can master the Life Force, without having mastered

consciousness first?

>

It is possible to have mastered only an aspect of the Life Force. We

have three Gunas, Tamasic, Rajasic and Satvic and there has to be a

balance. Example; someone may have an experience of Rajasic Samadhi

while on the battlefield or on Wall Street and have come to identify so

intensely with that state of being that they wont know how to come down,

and if they are the King or Queen, who is going to challenge them and

provide them the humbling that their ass needs. Something bigger will

have to level that Karma.

In Kundalini yoga, we are self regulating. The Kundalini

consciousness will let us know when we are off, no matter how much some

folks would like to make it another commodity.

 

>A thought that passes through my mind around this is....power that is drawn

from some source outside of our selves, will always create an imbalance in our

outer world...due to the fact that you are "taking" from...it creates decay

eventually.

>If the power, was a projection of the inner light, and thus a reflection, of

the connection to the Divine Source...it would be in the vein of co-creating

rather than robbery?

>This last description of power, would require being in integrity with

God...being one.

>I think I may have answered my own question....we as humans have the power to

manifest...but it is the "quality" of what we manifest that is subject to our

consciouness. Anyone can manifest...the question is, from where are your

manifestations born?

>

It's Piscean versus Aquarian models.

Seems that our models have all been backward and outer referring rather

than inner referring.

We look at discipline as something that we DO, or something we "have to"

put ourselves through, but I like to think of discipline as a

cultivation of that capability to think, feel and do what it is we

REALLY WANT to think, feel or do. To follow through on what is TRUE to

the inside of us and not our neurosis. In this new world order might

have some Anarchy at first until things leveled out. As a great

philospher once said 'To live outside the Law, you have to be honest"

(Bob Dylan).

I say the good guys dress in white.

Sat Nam,

Dharam Singh

Note: Climatic changes may have had, at least, some bearing on both the

Altantean and Egyptian civilisations. A umongous tidal wave in the case

of Atlantis.

 

> sevasimransingh <mark.terrell wrote:Don't forget that both the

Egyptian and Atlantean cultures destroyed

>themselves as an outcome of their mastery over the life force. As

>well, they turned what was once a lush paradise into a virtuallly

>lifeless desert. Personally, I think we should study what went wrong

>in their consciousness before we even think of emulating them -

>something every serious kundalini yogi should think deeply on.>

>

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...and for those of us who feel a strong connection to the egyptian culture as if

we have our roots there...maybe this explains why we practice kundalini yoga

today..

love and light

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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WEB SITE: kundalini yoga

 

KUNDALINI YOGA ON-LINE TRAINING. Details from

kundalini yogaclasses.html

 

Transitions to a Heart Centered World - Gururattan K. Khalsa Ph.D.

The most comprehensive source of Yogi Bhajan's Kundalini Yoga sets and

meditations available!

transitions.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

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sat nam sat sangeet,

the answer to your question resides in the heart..the union of the two worlds,

spiritual and physical, must take place in the center of the heart to form the

perfect human... any spiritual power that one acquires must be filtered through

the anahat chakra so that the power can manifest as pure love and give form to a

paradise world...if a consciousness travels from the lower triangle chakras to

the higher ones and the 4th chakra of unconditional love is blocked, then the

spiritual power can easily be misused for personal interests instead of a higher

cause.

love and light

marily sat atma

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Transitions to a Heart Centered World - Gururattan K. Khalsa Ph.D.

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transitions.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

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SSSAT

NNNAMMMMMMMMMMM----------------------------

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ONNN____________OOOONNNEEE___________

_________

_________

marily sat atma is shinning like a sun raise love light within

the sound silence of reality. You go you guru jiva............

.............................................................................

...........

.............................................................................

...........

we could dress like deities because we loose alot of water when we do alot

of breathing, so during the day drink plenty of water, a glass before love

heart session

having the comforting sound of silence of reality come in to your heart to

start the kindaling of the kundalini with

love centered light like the rays of the sun shinning light

to all of reality. You wake up all you guru jivas.

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SAT NAM SAT SANGEET,

 

WELL for me I always knew I was god and seeing a

better way for all humans to inhabit communities with

every social issue considered and implamented with

minimal staff but no help but I kept fighting for good.

I wanted to be good and I thought my mind and my

form were good, till I had acumilated vast quantums

of information so I could get out of this place here &

make sure everyone else would also get their chance

when this reality would fold and all could leave beyond

inner to beyond outer. Well this energy was released &

I had to face this big Monster from the Id-IDA CALE

the universal personality the quiet voidic silence we like.

 

So remember the Love Light is White like the Sun

& the Comforting Protector Silence is Voidic Black.

Do not look at the sun to long you might wake up!!!

 

 

Love you Other!

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About 5 billion years ago the Island serface of earth

broke apart and mountians rose and fell, but the truth

was kept in all the ways and stories of all Humans who

have only been free from I-ia-g-p-t somewhat 2OO yrs.

Well the new IEGPT does alot more cool stuff like

Landscape All nature areas. Run ocean water over the earth serface,

feed-cloth-house-care, career everyone,

To many gongs all over the place, stands for trade stuff

gemstones for a silk tropical desert ashram tent cover.

IEGPT means organic reality which humans crawled

up out of the plants the all life form symbiosis reality.

Uuadnc means to enter the voidic sound of reality.

Ooaflj means to unfold suns via all the universes.

IEGPT means Infinite Eternity Godhead Peering

T the seed the I&E Being Spark which Sun Shines

love via it's Diamond Heart sending out love light

to everyone moving like a trees, sea life and clouds.

 

And sitting, reclining, standing, walking, playing

listening to Silent Sound Comforting the Heart

like a cool breeze filling it up with Bright Light.

 

Let us Pray-------

Let my People Go!

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