Guest guest Posted April 9, 2003 Report Share Posted April 9, 2003 Sat Nam everyone, As I am not an historian and really want to get the story correct, I wrote to Dr. Sebai Muata Ashby, forwarded some of our comments to him and left it open for him to respond. Well, it was a little like Christmas this morning to find his detailed response in my Inbox . I have forwarded his words below. Big Thanks to Muata, Sat Nam, Hotep, Namaste', Right on! Dharam Singh sevasimransingh wrote: >Don't forget that both the Egyptian and Atlantean cultures destroyed >themselves as an outcome of their mastery over the life force. As >well, they turned what was once a lush paradise into a virtuallly >lifeless desert. Personally, I think we should study what went wrong >in their consciousness before we even think of emulating them - >something every serious kundalini yogi should think deeply on.> > and >>Marily Pouplis wrote: >> >> >> wow! that was really valuable information for the seeker...and it really makes sense because it complements the theory that Kundalini was the spiritual practice of the Atlantians and after Atlantis was destroyed, the people who survived migrated and passed their sacred knowledge to Egypt, South America (Mayas) and Asia (India-Tibet). >>love and light >> >> >> Greetings, I truly appreciate your interest. As you are beginning to discover, what is today known as Kundalini Yoga or the Serpent Power, was discovered and practiced in Ancient Egypt. It was thrilling for me when I first discovered this so many years ago. As a scholar of African culture and spirituality as well as world religion and mysticism, I discovered correlations between Ancient Egyptian (African) and Indian culture, so many in fact that these became the subject of 2 books. As my main discipline of personal practice, Arat Sekhem (Kemetic Serpent Power Yoga) I was surprised to discover so much documentation and scriptural discourse on the subject from the Ancient Egyptian priests and priestesses themselves. This is perhaps because the evidences, which were plain for all to see, had been misunderstood or dismissed by them. In any case, I set out to document and espouse the science, at least that part which is safe and effective, for those interested in this form of spiritual practice. The first documented evidences appear in 10,000 B.C.E. The teaching of Arat Sekhem was advanced and formed the basis of the spiritual and material culture of Kamitan society. This is all documented in the book "The Serpent Power." In reference to the legend of Atlantis, in fact, to this date a lost or destroyed culture, kingdom or continent called Atlantis has never been discovered either on land or under the sea, and the same is true for the legend of Lemuria. The story of Atlantis was given to Plato by Solon who got it from and Ancient Egyptian priest who was talking about the Proto-Greek civilization today known as the Minoan-Theran who developed a thriving and prosperous culture that was related to Ancient Egypt at about 2000 B.C.E. The Ancient Egyptian priest never said that Atlantis came before Egypt but rather that it was an island in the Mediterranean that was destroyed by earthquake. This fits the Minoan culture in all respects. At about 1,400 B.C.E. Thera was destroyed by a volcano and the Minoan people on Crete also were also destroyed. Classical Greek culture then emerged from the Ashes. ALL of the books and other works of fiction writers related to the legend of Atlantis are rooted in the writings of Plato, so the mystery about Atlantis is embellished based on the simple history given by Plato and there is no substantiation for the additional writings whatsoever. The teaching of Plato is a prehistory of Classical Greece and the archeological evidence in Ancient Egypt and Crete as well as Thera do substantiate tha the Minoans and the Atlantians are one and the same. As for the idea that the Ancient Egyptians destroyed themselves and their ecology, this idea is contradicted by 10,000 years of successful history in which the use of the Serpent Power was known since the earliest times, 10,000 B.C.E. During this time there was prosperity and order. In fact, the archeological evidence shows that North Africa became a desert thousands of years before the Ancient Nubians colonized North-East Africa to create Kamit (Ancient Egypt). It was not until the last 1500 years of Ancient Egyptian history that we notice a sharp decline in culture and this coincides with the invading hoards of Asiatics (Hyksos, Persians) and the Europeans (Greeks and Romans), followed by the Christian zealots and later the Muslim conquering armies attached, destroyed and forcibly closed the Neterian (Ancient Egyptian Religion) temples and forcibly converted people whom they referred to as pagans or nonbelievers, leading to the time when the Ancient Egyptian culture finally fell in 450 A.C.E. Therefore, it seems that perhaps the downfall should be studies so that we may know where the world has gone wrong to bring humanity to the brink of ecological and social destruction and to discover what was going right for over 10,000 years. Further, we should perhaps study what there is in modern day religions that owe not only their existence to Neterian religion but also several of their most important tenets. Then we may discover great insights into the world faiths that will augment them an allow us all to see a more ecumenical vision of spirituality that would lead to greater peace and understanding. As for the ecology of North Africa, the climactic changes have been shown to coincide with natural changes around the world over a period of thousands of years. The spiritual culture of Ancient Kamit was the first to affirm the protection of the environment and this is demonstrated in the Precepts of Maat and the Wisdom Texts. All of the proof and documentation for the points discussed above have been carefully substantiated and catalogued in the book "African Origins of Civilization, Religion, Yoga Spirituality and Ethics Philosophy." I hope this has been helpful in some way. If I can be of further assistance I would be most willing to answer any questions. Peace and Blessings HTP Si Neter iri Ankh Udja Senab Sebai Muata Ashby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2003 Report Share Posted April 9, 2003 It was at the University of Amsterdam museum, in the Egyptian section, that I saw a very old vase ( ~3500 BC) with a highly sophisticated color etching of an egyptian woman in wheel pose. Later, I came across a book by Vandana Scaravelli ( I forgot the name of the book, but it has 'spine' somewhere on it), where she this etching pictured and also details how the Egyptian sculptures always have a long straight back (only with a slight natural curve on the lower lumbar back). Having an erect spine, with the head balanced directly over the neck, chest, belly, pelvis, knees, and ankles, is the ultimate state in evolution, where the energy flows freely. The apes had to stretch a little to the left, and then to the right, try reaching a little more higher to pluck a fruit. Similar such stretches had led to straightening the back and evolving them into an erect homoerectus. So, probably, the basis of yoga AMONG HUMANS had the african origin. Although, the basis of yoga had been there from time immemorial for things to evolve from one state to the other. It is just that it is only in the human state, we have this exceptional capability to become aware of this process. Once erect, humans probably took this posture for granted and let things slip. And so, we reinvent the wheel. Gai Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2003 Report Share Posted April 9, 2003 Let's see...... "Fire Engines are red, and the Russians are reds.....therefore the Russians are fire engines" We were talkin' about the ROOTS of YOGA, weren't we? Every "civilization" has some screwed up things and some cool stuff, too. You can't throw out the baby with the bath water. Besides, who doesn't have a little goat sacrifice every now and then...who doesn't? You gonna tell me you don't? At any rate I've invited Muata to respond. While I am waiting could offer some examples of cultures that are more in line with the MA energy and what that looks like. Sat........ Nam Dharam Singh sevasimransingh wrote: >Well....no offence to anyone, but the good Doctor's response is >typical of the Egyptian patriarchy: "Our civilisation was the >greatest until it was invaded by pillaging hords. Atlantis did not >exist because we were the first. The desertification had nothing to >do with us, .... and so on." Where did all the gold come from and why >was it buried with the king, rather than left to the people? Why is >African spirituality riddled with dark sorcery? Why, if they were >such an ecological people, did they decide to stop worshipping MA and >worship RA only. Egyptian spirituality may indeed have been a high >art, and their priests great masters. However, at some point the >Egyptians got corrupted and destroyed themselves. They should stop >blaming it on others. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2003 Report Share Posted April 9, 2003 Russians are fire engines? Who is throwing out the baby with the bathwater? I'm not attacking his statements about there being an Egyptian connection. Did I ever say that? I am not allowed to refute the arrogant and patriarchal aspects of that gentleman's statement? How can we evaluate his work without challenging his assumptions? Goat sacrifice? What the hell do you mean by that? Every culture has good and bad? Why are you stating the obvious? There is a shadow side to kundalini yoga, as there is a shadow side to every practice that involves power, or don't you believe that? By looking at that shadow up close and personal we hopefully will not make the same mistakes as we did in the past.But to deny it is a very big mistake. It is not a condemnation of the good; it is a condemnation of the bad; and distinguishing the two. I don't want a RA culture any more than I want a MA culture. I want a RAMA culture. Are you taking this personally in some way? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2003 Report Share Posted April 10, 2003 Thanks Gayathri, Your observations are fascinating regarding "having an erect spine, with the head balanced directly over the neck, chest, belly, pelvis, knees, and ankles, is the ultimate state in evolution, where the energy flows freely". I have forwarded your words onto Muata. YOGA is a HUE-MAN event. It begins in Utero. I think Yogiji said we do 84 postures in those nine months. It's a wonderful way to orient one's whole culture and artistic expression, and probably had a lot to do with the ancients in Egypt having survived as a civilization for some 10,000 years. I often like to refer to the quote by Mohandas Ghandi (I hope it true, anyway) A reporter asks him "What do you think of Western Civilization" Ghandi answers "I think it would be a very good idea" Sat Nam, Dharam Gayathri Narayanan wrote: >It was at the University of Amsterdam museum, in the Egyptian section, that I saw a very old vase ( ~3500 BC) with a highly sophisticated color etching of an egyptian woman in wheel pose. Later, I came across a book by Vandana Scaravelli ( I forgot the name of the book, but it has 'spine' somewhere on it), where she this etching pictured and also details how the Egyptian sculptures always have a long straight back (only with a slight natural curve on the lower lumbar back). Having an erect spine, with the head balanced directly over the neck, chest, belly, pelvis, knees, and ankles, is the ultimate state in evolution, where the energy flows freely. The apes had to stretch a little to the left, and then to the right, try reaching a little more higher to pluck a fruit. Similar such stretches had led to straightening the back and evolving them into an erect homoerectus. So, probably, the basis of yoga AMONG HUMANS had the african origin. Although, the basis of yoga had been there from time immemorial for things to evolve from one state to the other. It is just that it is only in the human state, we have this exceptional capability to become aware of this process. Once erect, humans probably took this posture for granted and let things slip. And so, we reinvent the wheel. > > >Gai > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2003 Report Share Posted April 10, 2003 Sat Nam Gayatri! It is amazing what you said about the erect spine and it really klicked to me because a few months ago during my meditation and relaxation, I had some flashbacks which could be pastlife experiences from ancient egypt..so I decided to draw some sketches of them to record the data. The one thing that I noticed and yet couldn't understand was why each person I sketched had a very long and erect spine! And what you said really makes sense...so now I know why. Thanks! Love and Light Marily Sat Atma Sponsor "OUR DESTINY IS TO BE HAPPY" - Yogi Bhajan To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, please send a blank email to Kundaliniyoga NO UNSUBSCRIBE REQUESTS TO THE LIST PLEASE!> WEB SITE: kundalini yoga KUNDALINI YOGA ON-LINE TRAINING. Details from kundalini yogaclasses.html Transitions to a Heart Centered World - Gururattan K. Khalsa Ph.D. The most comprehensive source of Yogi Bhajan's Kundalini Yoga sets and meditations available! transitions.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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