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> Satnam Dear Mr. Sevasimram,

> I find only very strange that your words are so aggressive from tip

to toe.

> Why can you attack in such an unpolite way someone introduced in the

list

> to bring some light to our dear Kundalini origins. It seems

a good

> example of a preventive attack full of prejudice based on an

> uncritical western mode of thinking. It does not help the

> understanding between people. Remember there are many foreigners in

> this list and an attempt should be made not to hurt feelings, very

> sensitive to the dominant/domination way of expression of our

brothers and

> sisters in America. Beware of the mind that leads to intelectual

dispute. With all my respectful cumpliments, Sotanter Kaur, from

> Brazil.

>

>

> > - Egyptian culture and its spiritual tradition,was in no doubt the

> > atlas of history. Likewise the rest of Africa, as the well of African

> > wisdom can attest, and to which the deep Shamanic traditions there

> > give evidence. However, to suggest that my criticisms are based on an

> > uncritical western or eastern mode of thinking, is wrong. I have

> > attacked some of the statements herein for the following reasons:

> >

> > 1. I have personal experiences with power generated by spiritual

> > practices and spiritual groups (including Egyptian and African

> > sorcery) and used for negative, self serving purposes. Although I do

> > get worked up about it I am not coming from a purely emotional point

> > of view on this. I am coming from the view that how "spiritual" power

> > is used and abused needs to be discussed openly. We cannot just focus

> > on the positive. It is our responsibility, as people currently on the

> > leading edge of spiritual history, to understand how power works, for

> > good and for bad.It has been the long history of human beings, for

> > many thousands of years now, to discover some sort of power, and then

> > to let it be used unecologically.We can not blind ourself to this

> > reality. We need to understand it.

> >

> > 2. My assertion concerning the question of Atlantis, and of the fate

> > of Egyptian gold, is of primary importance. After much meditation,

> > and my own historical research, I believe that what we call Atlantis

> > will one day be shown to be "beneath" the Egyptian culture of which

> > we are familiar. Does this mean Atlantis is another word for an early

> > Egyptian culture. Perhaps. At any rate, to deny its existance as a

> > phenomena, or to declare it a myth, is simply the flip-side of a

> > binary arguement. The fascination with Atlantis amongst many

> > spiritual teachers points to a phenomena that should not be written

> > off as simple myth. For instance, it has been stated that during that

> > period human beings made the first decision to develop power

> > independent of any sense of divinity. And if gold was indeed the

> > symbol of eternity (in Tibetan Bhuddist culture that is still

> > prevelant) why is that the Egyptian partiarchs had such a privelaged

> > position in respect to this. Surely we can not deny the spiritual

> > self angrandizement suggested by this practice and the spiritual

> > insecurity the excess also suggests?

> >

> > 3. It is my view that this new age is one where the development of

> > our own individual power is maintained, re-united to a sense of

> > divine ecology, so that the recent past and the far past are brought

> > into purposeful realignment. To withdraw the diamond of the past, and

> > discount its dark cousin, by myth or science, is a grave mistake.

> >

> > 4. As for Tarzan - that is not my image, far from it, and find the

> > suggestion offensive and a distraction from addressing the real

> > issues which I have been trying to address. Members of my family

> > lived in Africa for many generations, I have been there, and spent

> > half my life fascinated by the long arm of African history, culture

> > and mysticism. I grieve the darkness that has enveloped the

> > continent; but I refuse to deny its many roots.

> >

> >

> >

> >

 

 

 

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-Thank you for your input. If I sound aggressive, and in any way

hurtful, I am sorry for that. However, there is absolutely nothing in

any of my statements to suggest jingoism or rascism. The one

statement I made was a political one - reference to the Egyptian

patriarchy. If I said American or British or Bolivian patriarchy

would that be okay? In my view patriarchal governments and

institutions are equally bad the world over. If that is politically

incorrect, fine. Why is it so hard to question the assumptions of a

particular individual who has declared himself an authority when some

of his statements are so sweeping in their nature. Please note that

there was absolutely no discussion about African spirituality, and

there was no discussion on any of my points. The information posted

was from a third party and I responded to that information because I

felt it was irresponsible and also typical of a way of thinking that

excludes other possibilities and fosters an elitist mentality.

Suddenly I am a rascist and a western bigot because I don't just

accept the statements of someone who isn't even writing on this

forum? The fact is, the spiritual world is full of all kinds of

people selling their own viewpoints as the end all to end all, for

all kinds of different reasons, not all of them honest. Challenging

their statements is completely legitimate. In fact, if you will note,

the individual in question responded by saying he was glad these

questions had been brought to light. I still don't agree with his

opinions, but I notice that he was not so hyper-sensitive in respect

to discussing these issues. If the spiritual groups cannot withstand

simple tests of their assumptions, or a discussion concerning the

pitfalls of their practices, or their view of history, the truth will

never be known and many people will suffer self-deception and non-

reality, ad nauseum. The real work is in rooting out and slaying

those demons still hanging on at the end of this piscean age and

testing the assumptions we have been living by, and thus protecting

future generations. Sometimes that is uncomfortable. But it still has

to be done. That so many people on this forum are so quick to decide

that my motivations are rascist, "western", or unrealistic concerning

the shadow side of spiritual groups and practices begs the

question: "why do thou protest so much." I'm sorry I'm not a person

who wants to just look at the surface and leave certain statements

unchallenged, but that is who I am. But saying I'm rascist,

prejudiced, biased, seems like a big red herring to me. Discussing

the roots of Kundalini Yoga as a "black science" is equally a red

herring. Kundalini Yoga is the result of the hard work of sages,

rishis and yogis from every part of the world, and every

civilization, whatever those civilization were called. Every

kundalini yoga practioner needs to remember that, whatever your race,

colour, creed or religion. > > >

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I appreciate Seva Simran's opinions and his straightforward manner in

bringing them forth. As I do everyone who is courageous enough to bring

their viewpoints and experiences to light. This is, after all, a chat

list...not an accept whatever is written list. Beware of the easy,

unchallenged path and letting others think for you, whomever they may claim

to be. Progress entails the courage to challenge, listen and learn.

 

I suppose, as usual, I will receive offlist insult and rebuttal mail (even

so far as including picture attachments) regarding this writing. Don't waste

your time...you know who you are. You do not affect me with your nonsense.

You are only hurting yourself. Best of wishes and hope for you on your path.

 

Bee Happy Everyone, But Bee-aware,

Heidi

Candle Bee Farm, LLC

www.candlebeefarm.com

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Hi Folks

 

If anyone ever receives any kind of hate mail as a direct result of something

they have said on the list, I would request that they copy it to me, off-list so

that appropriate action can be taken. We have always strived to keep this list a

friendly place, where people are free to post without fear of abuse. We have had

very few occurrences, and on the last occasion that was brought to my attention,

the perpetrator resigned just before he was kicked off.

 

Sat Nam!

Gordon

 

 

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Candle Bee Farm

 

I suppose, as usual, I will receive offlist insult and rebuttal mail (even

so far as including picture attachments) regarding this writing. Don't waste

your time...you know who you are. You do not affect me with your nonsense.

You are only hurting yourself. Best of wishes and hope for you on your path.

 

 

 

 

 

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