Guest guest Posted April 16, 2003 Report Share Posted April 16, 2003 > Satnam Dear Mr. Sevasimram, > I find only very strange that your words are so aggressive from tip to toe. > Why can you attack in such an unpolite way someone introduced in the list > to bring some light to our dear Kundalini origins. It seems a good > example of a preventive attack full of prejudice based on an > uncritical western mode of thinking. It does not help the > understanding between people. Remember there are many foreigners in > this list and an attempt should be made not to hurt feelings, very > sensitive to the dominant/domination way of expression of our brothers and > sisters in America. Beware of the mind that leads to intelectual dispute. With all my respectful cumpliments, Sotanter Kaur, from > Brazil. > > > > - Egyptian culture and its spiritual tradition,was in no doubt the > > atlas of history. Likewise the rest of Africa, as the well of African > > wisdom can attest, and to which the deep Shamanic traditions there > > give evidence. However, to suggest that my criticisms are based on an > > uncritical western or eastern mode of thinking, is wrong. I have > > attacked some of the statements herein for the following reasons: > > > > 1. I have personal experiences with power generated by spiritual > > practices and spiritual groups (including Egyptian and African > > sorcery) and used for negative, self serving purposes. Although I do > > get worked up about it I am not coming from a purely emotional point > > of view on this. I am coming from the view that how "spiritual" power > > is used and abused needs to be discussed openly. We cannot just focus > > on the positive. It is our responsibility, as people currently on the > > leading edge of spiritual history, to understand how power works, for > > good and for bad.It has been the long history of human beings, for > > many thousands of years now, to discover some sort of power, and then > > to let it be used unecologically.We can not blind ourself to this > > reality. We need to understand it. > > > > 2. My assertion concerning the question of Atlantis, and of the fate > > of Egyptian gold, is of primary importance. After much meditation, > > and my own historical research, I believe that what we call Atlantis > > will one day be shown to be "beneath" the Egyptian culture of which > > we are familiar. Does this mean Atlantis is another word for an early > > Egyptian culture. Perhaps. At any rate, to deny its existance as a > > phenomena, or to declare it a myth, is simply the flip-side of a > > binary arguement. The fascination with Atlantis amongst many > > spiritual teachers points to a phenomena that should not be written > > off as simple myth. For instance, it has been stated that during that > > period human beings made the first decision to develop power > > independent of any sense of divinity. And if gold was indeed the > > symbol of eternity (in Tibetan Bhuddist culture that is still > > prevelant) why is that the Egyptian partiarchs had such a privelaged > > position in respect to this. Surely we can not deny the spiritual > > self angrandizement suggested by this practice and the spiritual > > insecurity the excess also suggests? > > > > 3. It is my view that this new age is one where the development of > > our own individual power is maintained, re-united to a sense of > > divine ecology, so that the recent past and the far past are brought > > into purposeful realignment. To withdraw the diamond of the past, and > > discount its dark cousin, by myth or science, is a grave mistake. > > > > 4. As for Tarzan - that is not my image, far from it, and find the > > suggestion offensive and a distraction from addressing the real > > issues which I have been trying to address. Members of my family > > lived in Africa for many generations, I have been there, and spent > > half my life fascinated by the long arm of African history, culture > > and mysticism. I grieve the darkness that has enveloped the > > continent; but I refuse to deny its many roots. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2003 Report Share Posted April 16, 2003 -Thank you for your input. If I sound aggressive, and in any way hurtful, I am sorry for that. However, there is absolutely nothing in any of my statements to suggest jingoism or rascism. The one statement I made was a political one - reference to the Egyptian patriarchy. If I said American or British or Bolivian patriarchy would that be okay? In my view patriarchal governments and institutions are equally bad the world over. If that is politically incorrect, fine. Why is it so hard to question the assumptions of a particular individual who has declared himself an authority when some of his statements are so sweeping in their nature. Please note that there was absolutely no discussion about African spirituality, and there was no discussion on any of my points. The information posted was from a third party and I responded to that information because I felt it was irresponsible and also typical of a way of thinking that excludes other possibilities and fosters an elitist mentality. Suddenly I am a rascist and a western bigot because I don't just accept the statements of someone who isn't even writing on this forum? The fact is, the spiritual world is full of all kinds of people selling their own viewpoints as the end all to end all, for all kinds of different reasons, not all of them honest. Challenging their statements is completely legitimate. In fact, if you will note, the individual in question responded by saying he was glad these questions had been brought to light. I still don't agree with his opinions, but I notice that he was not so hyper-sensitive in respect to discussing these issues. If the spiritual groups cannot withstand simple tests of their assumptions, or a discussion concerning the pitfalls of their practices, or their view of history, the truth will never be known and many people will suffer self-deception and non- reality, ad nauseum. The real work is in rooting out and slaying those demons still hanging on at the end of this piscean age and testing the assumptions we have been living by, and thus protecting future generations. Sometimes that is uncomfortable. But it still has to be done. That so many people on this forum are so quick to decide that my motivations are rascist, "western", or unrealistic concerning the shadow side of spiritual groups and practices begs the question: "why do thou protest so much." I'm sorry I'm not a person who wants to just look at the surface and leave certain statements unchallenged, but that is who I am. But saying I'm rascist, prejudiced, biased, seems like a big red herring to me. Discussing the roots of Kundalini Yoga as a "black science" is equally a red herring. Kundalini Yoga is the result of the hard work of sages, rishis and yogis from every part of the world, and every civilization, whatever those civilization were called. Every kundalini yoga practioner needs to remember that, whatever your race, colour, creed or religion. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2003 Report Share Posted April 16, 2003 I appreciate Seva Simran's opinions and his straightforward manner in bringing them forth. As I do everyone who is courageous enough to bring their viewpoints and experiences to light. This is, after all, a chat list...not an accept whatever is written list. Beware of the easy, unchallenged path and letting others think for you, whomever they may claim to be. Progress entails the courage to challenge, listen and learn. I suppose, as usual, I will receive offlist insult and rebuttal mail (even so far as including picture attachments) regarding this writing. Don't waste your time...you know who you are. You do not affect me with your nonsense. You are only hurting yourself. Best of wishes and hope for you on your path. Bee Happy Everyone, But Bee-aware, Heidi Candle Bee Farm, LLC www.candlebeefarm.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2003 Report Share Posted April 16, 2003 Hi Folks If anyone ever receives any kind of hate mail as a direct result of something they have said on the list, I would request that they copy it to me, off-list so that appropriate action can be taken. We have always strived to keep this list a friendly place, where people are free to post without fear of abuse. We have had very few occurrences, and on the last occasion that was brought to my attention, the perpetrator resigned just before he was kicked off. Sat Nam! Gordon - Candle Bee Farm I suppose, as usual, I will receive offlist insult and rebuttal mail (even so far as including picture attachments) regarding this writing. Don't waste your time...you know who you are. You do not affect me with your nonsense. You are only hurting yourself. Best of wishes and hope for you on your path. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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