Guest guest Posted April 16, 2003 Report Share Posted April 16, 2003 Sat Nam Seva Simran and all, As I'd like to try and put this to whole subject to a rest, I guess I need to repeat that it was Yogi Bhajan who I heard first refer to Kundalini Yoga as "Black Science and Art", as in "from Africa", unless you take that to be some other dimension. I brought Muata into the picture because he has been doing the research. Not "theories", not "assumptions"........research. I am no historian and I don't think you (Seva Simran) are either. Keep an open mind! I mean, who is it that has already given us our preconceptions? The same people who while they ruled India less than 60 years ago, would put signs on their clubs reading "No Indians or Dogs Allowed". You can only assume that you may not be getting objective information in this cultural climate. Question that authority and maybe your own claim to objectivity.? You might learn something. Maybe it's time to open one of his books....see what the man is using for verification OR we can simply trust an Indian Yogi as I am sure he has nothing to gain, no agenda, for passing along this info. Or maybe you'll find some fault with Yogi Bhajan? I don't know all of what you have onboard. I am, and have been, inviting you to tell your particular story so that we can all have this clarity. I know what you mean because you wrote me in private, but all others in this discussion including the "lurkers" have no idea what you mean. Your reaction is out of proportion and misplaced. What do I have to gain? More tolerance in general amongst people of different backgrounds. A true Uniting of the Nations sevasimransingh wrote: >Give me a break. Fear and prejudice. You going to call me a racsist >next. > If I tell a person "man, watch out for them Redheads!", and I am not forthcoming in why I feel/think that way; and that person is not interested in asking why I think/feel that way, then down the road they'll not know why they feel sort of "funny" when they are around a Redhead for the first time. This person will have been imprisoned by a belief system that I helped create. If things go badly that first time, they might even start a club/gang with others who have had problems with redheaded women. However, if I tell my story in all it's details they are free to make their own decisions and I am free from the karma of having mis-informed them. This is what I meant by "fear and prejudice"...............I never said anything about racism, those were your words entirely. But it does beg one's attention when talk of this subject bothers you so much. One is not wrong for wondering. One moment I'm angry at something. I don't like it. I put it in a category, try to dislike it forever, teach my children to dislike it. Or I can express my anger and forget about it. Next time we meet, we're friends. -----Paul Williams, "Das Energ > I've spent all my life studying spirituality and spiritual >systems and I have some legitimate concerns about denial, denial, >denial. > And I'm talking about The Nile, The Nile, The Nile, so our points of view are not all that divergent. > I'm sorry I make you uncomfortable. > You're projecting. Stay in your movie and I'll stay in mine. >sevasimransingh wrote: > > Don't forget that both the Egyptian and Atlantean cultures destroyed >themselves as an outcome of their mastery over the life force. As >well, they turned what was once a lush paradise into a virtuallly >lifeless desert. > Like global warming? We didn't even have a population problem back then. >> Personally, I think we should study what went wrong >>in their consciousness before we even think of emulating them - >>something every serious kundalini yogi should think deeply on.> >> Who is talking about emulating them? I like cable We're talking about their place in history with regards to the roots of Yoga. > >sevasimransingh wrote: > > > Don't forget that both the Egyptian and Atlantean cultures destroyed >themselves as an outcome of their mastery over the life force. As >well, they turned what was once a lush paradise into a virtuallly >lifeless desert. Personally, I think we should study what went wrong >in their consciousness before we even think of emulating them - >something every serious kundalini yogi should think deeply on.> > Jai Kali Ma, Sat Nam Dharam Singh, Libra Rising (I like Balance, Justice and Fairness....and always have) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2003 Report Share Posted April 16, 2003 Do I trust or believe what an old Indian yogi says? No, not until I can verify the truth of it. Do I automatically distrust what he says? No, not until I can verify it. Where did I learn this? From him. Does my experience with being attacked by dark sorcers and the subsequent extensive study on the subject make me prejudiced? No it makes me cautious? Does my study of spiritual groups and the way they abuse people make me prejudiced? No it makes me cautious. Have I looked at Egyptian yoga? Yes. Have I studied with an African shaman? Yes. Do I believe that denying that Egypt self destructed because of their own distortions is reason to be suspicious of that authors research? Yes. Do I believe the old Indian yogi who said Egypt destroyed itself? Yes. Do I believe I have the right to challenge the authority of someone publishing books, offering degrees and bestowing priest titles over the internet in order to see if he is who he says he is? Yes. Do I believe that yoga originated in Africa? Probably, if that is where humans originated but at that time it was not Africa. The continent didn't even look the same and it is very likely that the people who lived there are not the same black Africans that live there now. Is it unfair tactics to take a persons words out of context? Yes. Do I want to receive another e-mail from Dharma? No. Do I think Dharma is being hugely over-sensitive and it would have been so much easier to just respond to my points and let the discussion evolve from there? Yes. Do I believe that it is fair and just for a person to start a discussion on a negative point? Yes. But these are my opinions. Dharam, you can have the last word if you like. Gordon has asked us to stop talking about it. But drop this rascist, prejudiced crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2003 Report Share Posted April 17, 2003 This "discussion" ends now! I am not asking again. Sat Nam! Gordon - sevasimransingh Do I trust or believe what an old Indian yogi says? No, not until I can verify the truth of it. Do I automatically distrust what he says? No, not until I can verify it. Where did I learn this? From him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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