Guest guest Posted April 19, 2003 Report Share Posted April 19, 2003 Dear Sat Sangreet, Life force and consciousness are 2 aspects of the same coin. Another is being. It's like saying water is wet, clear and fluid. It's still water. Distinctions are made to give varied perspectives some meaning, but, as you see, we get caught into the varied views, as though they relate to something distinct, when it is just the same thing. You may have heard the story about the blind men and the elephant, each describing from their position around the element what an elephant is. Same thing. Consciousness is the field or screen in which the gross, subtle and spiritual appear. Again these 3 aspects of what appears in consciousness are not distinct. It's like the foundation, the internal structure and facade of a building, which are all, nevertheless, one building in which the apparent aspects or parts cannot be by themselves. The foundation itself is grounded in the vastness of the earth / planet. this vastness which we can liken to consciousness. That which fills the body is consciousness, which we feel and call by the name of life force. This is all bound together by what we call Being, which is the sense of identity to the appearing images within consciousness. The seat of this being / consciousness from which emanates the intelligent life force, is in the heart, 2 digits to the right of the sternum, where we point when we say "I." The three states, waking dreaming and deep sleep, appear in the forth, yogis call Turya, which is the field or screen of self-effulgent consciousness. When the mind becomes still, the reflected consciousness in the brain inverts and reflects the all-pervasive Self in the Heart. As the mind begins to become single and pervasive, pulsing with the impalpable sensation of "I as I," the whole body begins to fill with light. The chakras open upwards, and energy flows downward from the crown. As there is a demand within the body for a chemical electric balance to be maintained in relation to the expanding awareness of the ever present consciousness that lights us all, bindu transforms to ojas, the glands secrete and the base of the spine opens allowing the passage of this chemical electric substance to flow up to the brain to sustain the increasing energy levels. In the practice of kundalini yoga, as taught by Yogi Bhajan, we simply apply this awareness towards the single watching of the positions and movements of the body in conjunction with the breathing, with the result that over a relatively short period of time, all the nerves, glands, organs and related plexuses (chakras), fill with and store prana. You begin to feel a sense of solidness like a steel, as the body becomes like a tuning fork that will resonate with the slightest impact of sound. Another way to look at this is that with the filling of the body with prana from the kriyas, sets and meditations, it is like the tuning of guitar strings, only in the body, there are 72,000 main vibratory strings, with the main ones being the ida and pingala and sushumna between along the spine (the silver cord), the gold cord between the brow point and crown, and the atma nadi between the crown and the Heart Center (the One Star) - not to be confused with the anahata chakra. When mantra is added to the process, the 72,000 strings begin to resonate and the vibration increases in the sushumna. Suddenly, the awareness of the inner vibration of the life force resounds. When attention to any sound and sensation disengages altogether and you abide in the Heart as the seer only, your computer is perfectly linked to the universal Computer. Inside and outside vanish, "and life in true faith is possible..." This Hearty Center is called the One Star (Ik Tar) because it has a gravitational aspect of sucking in everything, which is the feeling of being around which we build the idea of an identity. When the mind becomes still, this feeling of identity pulses as "I" without any attention to and "I this." or "I that." Its other aspect is that of pervasive light through which all the lenses of the mind (the chakras) are able to provide aspects of perception. But when at some time the mind inverts and reflects the Heart purely, the moon of the mind and all its lenses have little use, because the sun in the Heart has risen. In Christianity, it is called the "Resurrection unto Eternal Life," which Christ told the Apostles, is a Commandment that he should pass onto them. What does this mean It means that as long as we use the mind to see, we have a waxing and waning perception of who we are, of life and reality. But when the sun in the Heart awakens, recollected as our true identity, then the moon of the mind is no longer necessary to seen, similar to the analogy of seeing a full moon in the clear blue sky, after the sun rises. In fact yogis say that we only seem to use the mind to see, and we only seem to experience duality of a subject and object, a person with a body and thoughts and impressions about a separate world and apparently others in such a world. In Reality, there is no duality. As soon as the pulsing of the Self in the Heart is felt, this non-dual nature of your True Identity, becomes apparent. The whole body (gross, subtle, spiritual) resonates with this single pulsation and experience of pervasiveness. In Kundalini Yoga, all this happens of its own accord. All that is required is to keep up. The Japji refers to these aspects of hearing, remembrance and abiding, as do all religions. This Hearing - all hearing, originates in the Heart. or this reason, all religions say that the highest Temple is the Heart. practice and always remember who and what you really are, and the recollection of That will begin to dawn on you and overtake all other images, as though you are coming out of an amnesia. "well in God and befriend your soul." Yogi Bhajan. Pieter -- - <Kundaliniyoga> <Kundaliniyoga> Saturday, April 19, 2003 7:11 PM Kundalini Yoga Digest Number 1514 Message: 7 Fri, 18 Apr 2003 18:20:07 -0000 "satsangeetkaur" <satsangeetkaur Mastery of consciousness and Life force My question is about mastery...in particular, mastery of the Life force and mastery of consciousness. Sat Sangeet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2003 Report Share Posted April 19, 2003 Sat Nam Ya'll, I think we master the Life force when we master ourselves. satsangeetkaur [satsangeetkaur] Friday, April 18, 2003 1:20 PM Kundaliniyoga Kundalini Yoga Mastery of consciousness and Life force Greetings All...part 2! My question is about mastery...in particular, mastery of the Life force and mastery of consciousness. I woke up this morning remembering something from 13 years ago. I had mentioned before that I had "accidentally" gone to see a Shaman once. By accident, all I mean is, I didn't know he was a Shaman at the time, somebody told me to go see him and I just kinda went...I didn't really understand what went on while I was there, but I felt better after I had left. Now having had some KY experience, I can put into perspective, what it is that went on...and what I remembered this morning, as I was waking up, was that, he did this procedure as I sat in a chair, and the end result, was that my kundalini energy had been raised. Now I'm not trying to begin a discussion on how to raise the kundalini energy out side of practices taught by Yogi Bhajan...what it got me to wondering about was...How is it that one individual can raise the kundalini of another? Is this mastery of the Life Force? What are the ingredients in this situation? I asked earlier this month... how can one master the life force without having mastered consciousness first? The answers I received, did not describe mastery, in my view...they described what the outcome is when the energy begins to raise and one is still quite neurotic and not consciously working with what is arising for them. So it leaves me wondering...is mastery of the life force a result of mastering consciousness? When I think about the Life Force or prana...I think of it as being the "God Force"...so how does one master that without, mastering (God) consciousness? (not to be presumptuous, that we could master God consciousness, in the human form...but you see where I am going with this). Or maybe my question is...how does one master the Life force? (if it is something outside of mastering consciousness?) So within Kundalini yoga, am I right to assume that one can master just parts of it? To me that doesn't seem like mastery...because there are still parts that are not mastered then...? ...But I realize with all of this I have a way of thinking "too big" at times....I can see in order to master all...it's a process of mastering all the parts first...and one has to be in the process they are currently in...and there is not much point in looking too far down the road, I guess!! Ha ha! So I think what I want to understand is...when someone has mastered the life force...what does that look like in their day to day experience... so that I can contrast that with how mastering consciousness looks like, in order to have a deeper understanding. Thanks, Sat Sangeet Sponsor "OUR DESTINY IS TO BE HAPPY" - Yogi Bhajan To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, please send a blank email to Kundaliniyoga NO UNSUBSCRIBE REQUESTS TO THE LIST PLEASE!> WEB SITE: kundalini yoga KUNDALINI YOGA ON-LINE TRAINING. Details from kundalini yogaclasses.html Transitions to a Heart Centered World - Gururattan K. Khalsa Ph.D. The most comprehensive source of Yogi Bhajan's Kundalini Yoga sets and meditations available! transitions.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2003 Report Share Posted April 20, 2003 Hi Sat Sangeet, I think I understand your question. And this question can be answered by looking at it from the Ten Bodies perspective (Akar Numerology), there is a flow and progression. Simply put, when we master the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th bodies, the Negative, Positive and Neutral Minds, we are automatically given mastery of the Eighth Body, the Pranic Body. To break it down a bit (but not completely) first we have to trust that if there is a tension in our mind (Negative or Positive), there will be a tension in our body and breath and that's true for the inverse. This mind/body tension is needs at-tention and resolution before we can flow. When we able to simply listen to the Negative and Positive Minds, and what these bodies are saying, rather than BEING it, we are beginning to operate from the Neutral Mind, the Heart. Having established that relationship and if we are able to fully be there, we will be given the key to the Eighth Body, The Pranic body. Prana is the Life Force. Fearlessness, Healing, Music, Power, Purity, Innocense, Playfulness (watch some comedians) are all qualities of the Eighth Body. If we can have mastery of the Pranic Body, we can contain. It is something that just happens as a result of mastering the mind. For more elaboration on this go to www.3HO.org and plug in different birthdays to see what the script gives back or....... buy the Book (there are several). Sat Nam, Dharam satsangeetkaur wrote: > Greetings All...part 2! > > > Or maybe my question is...how does one master the Life force? (if it > is something outside of mastering consciousness?) > > So within Kundalini yoga, am I right to assume that one can master > just parts of it? To me that doesn't seem like mastery...because > there are still parts that are not mastered then...? > > ...But I realize with all of this I have a way of thinking "too big" > at times....I can see in order to master all...it's a process of > mastering all the parts first...and one has to be in the process > they are currently in...and there is not much point in looking too > far down the road, I guess!! Ha ha! > > So I think what I want to understand is...when someone has mastered > the life force...what does that look like in their day to day > experience... so that I can contrast that with how mastering > consciousness looks like, in order to have a deeper understanding. > > Thanks, > Sat Sangeet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2003 Report Share Posted April 22, 2003 Sat Nam Dharam, I'm still chewing on this info you gave me....so you are saying mastery of the negative, positive and neutral mind = mastery of the pranic body which = mastery of the life force? The question that arises for me is...if you have the neutral mind mastered...why would you ever act out of accordance with it? The neutral mind will give you the most promoting option for everyone involved, in every situation and if you have it mastered...why would one ever choose, not to follow it's advice? I'm trying to understand how one could have mastery of the life force and then abuse it, misuse or distort it? If the heart is open and intact...how could that happen? I feel like I'm missing a piece of the puzzle? Something isn't clicking for me? Sat Sangeet Dharam Singh <dharam wrote:Hi Sat Sangeet, I think I understand your question. And this question can be answered by looking at it from the Ten Bodies perspective (Akar Numerology), there is a flow and progression. Simply put, when we master the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th bodies, the Negative, Positive and Neutral Minds, we are automatically given mastery of the Eighth Body, the Pranic Body. To break it down a bit (but not completely) first we have to trust that if there is a tension in our mind (Negative or Positive), there will be a tension in our body and breath and that's true for the inverse. This mind/body tension is needs at-tention and resolution before we can flow. When we able to simply listen to the Negative and Positive Minds, and what these bodies are saying, rather than BEING it, we are beginning to operate from the Neutral Mind, the Heart. Having established that relationship and if we are able to fully be there, we will be given the key to the Eighth Body, The Pranic body. Prana is the Life Force. Fearlessness, Healing, Music, Power, Purity, Innocense, Playfulness (watch some comedians) are all qualities of the Eighth Body. If we can have mastery of the Pranic Body, we can contain. It is something that just happens as a result of mastering the mind. For more elaboration on this go to www.3HO.org and plug in different birthdays to see what the script gives back or....... buy the Book (there are several). Sat Nam, Dharam satsangeetkaur wrote: > Greetings All...part 2! > > > Or maybe my question is...how does one master the Life force? (if it > is something outside of mastering consciousness?) > > So within Kundalini yoga, am I right to assume that one can master > just parts of it? To me that doesn't seem like mastery...because > there are still parts that are not mastered then...? > > ...But I realize with all of this I have a way of thinking "too big" > at times....I can see in order to master all...it's a process of > mastering all the parts first...and one has to be in the process > they are currently in...and there is not much point in looking too > far down the road, I guess!! Ha ha! > > So I think what I want to understand is...when someone has mastered > the life force...what does that look like in their day to day > experience... so that I can contrast that with how mastering > consciousness looks like, in order to have a deeper understanding. > > Thanks, > Sat Sangeet Sponsor "OUR DESTINY IS TO BE HAPPY" - Yogi Bhajan To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, please send a blank email to Kundaliniyoga NO UNSUBSCRIBE REQUESTS TO THE LIST PLEASE!> WEB SITE: kundalini yoga KUNDALINI YOGA ON-LINE TRAINING. Details from kundalini yogaclasses.html Transitions to a Heart Centered World - Gururattan K. Khalsa Ph.D. The most comprehensive source of Yogi Bhajan's Kundalini Yoga sets and meditations available! transitions.html Post your free ad now! Canada Personals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2003 Report Share Posted April 23, 2003 I may not have understood your original question. Well, just to pick things up from where we seem to be, I think we could have "mastery" from a small, disciplined corner of one's being or heart. Then one day we relax and realize that a part of the self that we had put on hold (and thought we could put off entirely) is keeping it's appointment. Looking back, our heart may not have been as open as would be ideal, but that is human as well. Being on a path entails some wobbling, as we lose heart and have doubts. Doubt is part of the circle. If we never doubt, then we never ask questions. If we never ask questions, how can we say we know something is valid? Only then can we have faith, and not just blind following. That is the negative mind coming through, thank God. Having tested the waters, we then have energy to explore the possibilities. Faith and Energy are necessary. This is positive mind speaking to us as we move forward. I would re-phrase what said about "mastering" the Neutral Mind. To me, you can master the Negative and Positive minds but being in the Neutral mind is so much more expansive and almost by definition, just happens to you as does the Pranic Body. It's a Grace....you can't go after it. You can only receive Guru Prasad. All we can do is facilitate the flow, do our preparations (yoga), Karma Yoga, serve and let go. Some of us are better at this surrendering than others. We can have intentions and go through the motions, bowing often and with reverence but these are only gestures. Sometimes it's life itself that throws us that big arcing curveball that finally makes out knees buckle, dropping the bat at our feet. It is here that all of that yoga and meditation pays off because if you've been earnest and open, you've been creating something really beautiful that's just waiting to come to term. You'll find all kinds of richness in this process of "destruction" (Shiva will make himself known). It's from this place that we start feeling a new depth of self and with that, a broader sense of the needs of others and what might be best for the whole begins to govern our thoughts and actions. It's all a flow and it's circular. Our orientation goes from 2nd Chakra obsessions (Negative mind, Longng to Belong), to 3rd Chakra (Positive Mind, Devil or Divine) to the 4th Chakra (Neutral or Yogic Mind). At whatever level we are at we are still humans having a human experience. We can be the most "faithful idiots". Nothing is linear. The only sin is laziness Check out "How to know God: The Yoga Aphorisms of Patanjali" by Swami Prabhavananda and Christopher Isherwood. This is essential reading. It might be at www.yogatech.com Sat Nam, Dharam You may want to check what sources you have at hand to get a more satisfying answer. Sat Sangeet wrote: > > Sat Nam Dharam, > I'm still chewing on this info you gave me....so you are saying > mastery of the negative, positive and neutral mind = mastery of the > pranic body which = mastery of the life force? The question that > arises for me is...if you have the neutral mind mastered...why would > you ever act out of accordance with it? The neutral mind will give > you the most promoting option for everyone involved, in every > situation and if you have it mastered...why would one ever choose, not > to follow it's advice? > I'm trying to understand how one could have mastery of the life force > and then abuse it, misuse or distort it? If the heart is open and > intact...how could that happen? > I feel like I'm missing a piece of the puzzle? Something isn't > clicking for me? > Sat Sangeet > > Dharam Singh <dharam wrote:Hi Sat Sangeet, > I think I understand your question. And this question can be > answered by looking at it from the Ten Bodies perspective (Akar > Numerology), there is a flow and progression. Simply put, when we master > the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th bodies, the Negative, Positive and Neutral Minds, > we are automatically given mastery of the Eighth Body, the Pranic Body. > To break it down a bit (but not completely) first we have to trust that > if there is a tension in our mind (Negative or Positive), there will be > a tension in our body and breath and that's true for the inverse. This > mind/body tension is needs at-tention and resolution before we can flow. > When we able to simply listen to the Negative and Positive Minds, and > what these bodies are saying, rather than BEING it, we are beginning to > operate from the Neutral Mind, the Heart. Having established that > relationship and if we are able to fully be there, we will be given the > key to the Eighth Body, The Pranic body. Prana is the Life Force. > Fearlessness, Healing, Music, Power, Purity, Innocense, Playfulness > (watch some comedians) are all qualities of the Eighth Body. If we can > have mastery of the Pranic Body, we can contain. It is something that > just happens as a result of mastering the mind. For more elaboration on > this go to www.3HO.org and plug in different birthdays to see what the > script gives back or....... buy the Book (there are several). > > Sat Nam, > Dharam > > satsangeetkaur wrote: > > > Greetings All...part 2! > > > > > > Or maybe my question is...how does one master the Life force? (if it > > is something outside of mastering consciousness?) > > > > So within Kundalini yoga, am I right to assume that one can master > > just parts of it? To me that doesn't seem like mastery...because > > there are still parts that are not mastered then...? > > > > ...But I realize with all of this I have a way of thinking "too big" > > at times....I can see in order to master all...it's a process of > > mastering all the parts first...and one has to be in the process > > they are currently in...and there is not much point in looking too > > far down the road, I guess!! Ha ha! > > > > So I think what I want to understand is...when someone has mastered > > the life force...what does that look like in their day to day > > experience... so that I can contrast that with how mastering > > consciousness looks like, in order to have a deeper understanding. > > > > Thanks, > > Sat Sangeet > > > > > Sponsor > "OUR DESTINY IS TO BE HAPPY" - Yogi Bhajan > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, please send a blank email to > Kundaliniyoga > NO UNSUBSCRIBE REQUESTS TO THE LIST PLEASE!> > > WEB SITE: kundalini yoga > > KUNDALINI YOGA ON-LINE TRAINING. 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Guest guest Posted April 23, 2003 Report Share Posted April 23, 2003 One more point, once a person has had an experience of transcendence, it is important to get busy sharing and serving and bringing others along. Our cup overfloweth, remember? Besides, if a person just sits on a Gold mine, what is that saying about idle hands? Sat Nam, Dharam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2003 Report Share Posted April 23, 2003 Thank you for your response Dharam....The thought that is emerging for me now in light of these discussions, is that, mastery is perhaps relative to a moment and one's capacity in that moment? I think this might be the difference between exhibiting mastery and being a Master? Because I have not mastered consciousness...I don't know what being a Master really means. I recognize masterful actions when I see them? As in sometimes someone really has it"going on" in one aspect of their life, but may fall down in another aspect. I guess the moment you fully recognize yourself as God and you act from that consciousness..is full mastery? So when we say Yogi Bhajan is a Master......this is what we are recognizing? I think your right in that, things get confusing when we try to think of any of this in a linear fashion...because it's not. It seems to me it's a constant jumping in and out, in terms of our perspective. What I mean is...stand back and look at the whole of your being... then dive into a specific area and work at it and polish it, until it shines and from this perspective, it might appear as if you have attained some mastery...but... then jump back out, to a grander perspective of looking at the whole being again...and suddenly relative to the rest of the being, that little corner of mastery, doesn't look so masterful anymore! So very much, it depends on the perspective that you hold? And I guess anywhere within that process, one can fall down, even though exhibiting mastery in some parts, one may still have unconscious pockets within their being and acting from these unconsciousness places...will create unconscious actions. The metaphor I have in my mind right now is...imagining a ladder with many rungs...and instead of thinking we climb one step at a time, fully leaving behind the previous step completely....rather understanding that we master bits and peices of each rung over the entire ladder...just because we hold real estate on the 12th rung, in terms of mastery, doesn't mean we still might not have alittle unpurchased or unmastered property down on the 1st rung..or any rung for that matter? So with this view I can see how one could have mastery in some aspect, without having attained full mastery of their being and act in an unconscious manner, because of that. I wonder where the saying..."to fall from Grace" comes from? To me, it implies that if you "fall" you will never rise again? Don't we all fall from grace from moment to moment throughout our day and our job is to "notice" and do what it takes to get back up? I wonder isn't Grace like Love...in that we just have to notice it's presence and relate to it? I understand that grace is given...but isn't it given in every moment and it's our capacity to recieve it that varies, rather than whether God is passing some our way or not? At any rate...I think I can lay the mastery questions to rest now! ha ha! Sat Sangeet P.S. Dharam..you defined a Latin word the other day...does that mean you know Latin? If so...can you translate "verum" and "natum" for me? (or anyone else!) > Sponsor "OUR DESTINY IS TO BE HAPPY" - Yogi Bhajan To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, please send a blank email to Kundaliniyoga NO UNSUBSCRIBE REQUESTS TO THE LIST PLEASE!> WEB SITE: kundalini yoga KUNDALINI YOGA ON-LINE TRAINING. Details from kundalini yogaclasses.html Transitions to a Heart Centered World - Gururattan K. Khalsa Ph.D. The most comprehensive source of Yogi Bhajan's Kundalini Yoga sets and meditations available! transitions.html Post your free ad now! Canada Personals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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