Guest guest Posted October 10, 2003 Report Share Posted October 10, 2003 Sat Nam All... I asked my teacher the other day...what is a yogi's relationship with pain. I was wondering how you can be in pain, but not become the pain and feel overcome by it. He gave me an answer. I also remember being in a class with Gurmukh, where she would say to us often...pain is just a sensation..."pain" is just a way we choose to think about a sensation we are experiencing. It's a label we put on it...a judgement as good or bad. This morning as I sat down to meditate, I was in physical pain. I had been all night...I finally fell asleep after a short burst of tears, at the frustration I was feeling, at not being able to simply let this pain be and have this experience, without loosing my center. After a few tears the pain eased a little and I was able to fall alseep. As I sat down to meditate...I usually have quite a bit to say to God, in terms of what I want in this moment to move forward....but today, as the pain increased I found myself short on words. I simply asked...."bless me, please...I don't know what I need"...basically...I surrender. I tuned in and the message was japji...28th Pauri...I opened my book and began to chant...when I came to the line..."adays tisai adays...aad aneel anad anahat...jug jug ayko vays"...I was overcome with emotion and I began to cry. It wasn't a, I'm in pain cry, though....it was like my Winter Solstice, crying through Sadhana, cry....because I am so wholey touched by the effect of this shabad on my being. I am in awe...the intensity of the beauty I am experiencing in this moment is unspeakable. The pain begins to release as I continue to chant the shabad over and over again...the tears are flowing out of me as if a faucet was turned on....my heart feels like a flood gate opening and as it opens the intensity of the rapture escalates...the tears come harder and harder....I continue on to other pauri's I have been working with...chanting and chanting...and I see an image and feel it as well...it's as if I am a child and I am being held in the bosom of the greatest mother of all...my arcline is is merging with that of the mother across her chest...and I just remember hearing some words like...surrender your pain and be comforted by the shabd... ....Then I put on Ram Ma Da Sa Sa Se So Hung...by GuruDass kaur and Singh (Circle of Light) and lay down for some deep relaxation...and once again I feel as if I am the instrument and the music vibrates through me with every note.....the experience continues on and on. Well... the tears finally subsided and I was left with a feeling of having been completely humbled. I felt completely powerless, as in, only you, God, completely in awe of what I had experienced....and at the same time never felt so empowered and whole, before....being powerless in the face of God..is completely an empowering experience?? Later in the day as I was working...I was experiencing pain again...but this time I had a different relationship to it.... I was massaging and listening to the CD Circle of Light (GuruDass) the title track and I was getting totally into it, at the same time I was experiencing this pain increasing...until finally I realized, I was both in physical pain and ecstasy at the same moment! Thinking to myself this is strange...how can I have both, simultaneously? So I guess the moral of this story is....YUP!....pain is just a sensation!! Ha ha ha! This experience actually clears something up for me...I remember watching Oprah once and this woman was saying that she had experienced an orgasmic birth...and I rememeber thinking at the time...if I ever give birth...that's the kind I would like to have!! (Who wouldn't!!) But everyone I have ever mentioned this too, has quickly told me there is no chance, that an orgasmic birth is possible. Well... with this new information, that ones' physical body can be suffering and in pain....YET some other part of your being is experiencing ecstasy...clears the pathway for this possibility, to in fact, be true!! The answer my teacher gave me was in keeping with these findings. He had said that you realize your being isn't suffering, but that your physical body is in fact suffering and then the need to respond to it compassionately. But funny enough...he never mentioned anything about orgasms and ecstasy?? Be in the Light, Sat Sangeet Kaur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2003 Report Share Posted October 10, 2003 Orgasmic births can and do occur. More information can be found especially in the literature of Stanislav Grof,M.D., Ph.D. These sources are not specifically in the Kundalini tradition, but Stan Grof's work dovetails nicely with the Kundalini Shakti model which he acknowledges. You may find more information regarding this in Grof's books. In Love, Buddy Carl Pounds satsangeetkaur <satsangeetkaur wrote: Sat Nam All... I asked my teacher the other day...what is a yogi's relationship with pain. I was wondering how you can be in pain, but not become the pain and feel overcome by it. He gave me an answer. I also remember being in a class with Gurmukh, where she would say to us often...pain is just a sensation..."pain" is just a way we choose to think about a sensation we are experiencing. It's a label we put on it...a judgement as good or bad. This morning as I sat down to meditate, I was in physical pain. I had been all night...I finally fell asleep after a short burst of tears, at the frustration I was feeling, at not being able to simply let this pain be and have this experience, without loosing my center. After a few tears the pain eased a little and I was able to fall alseep. As I sat down to meditate...I usually have quite a bit to say to God, in terms of what I want in this moment to move forward....but today, as the pain increased I found myself short on words. I simply asked...."bless me, please...I don't know what I need"...basically...I surrender. I tuned in and the message was japji...28th Pauri...I opened my book and began to chant...when I came to the line..."adays tisai adays...aad aneel anad anahat...jug jug ayko vays"...I was overcome with emotion and I began to cry. It wasn't a, I'm in pain cry, though....it was like my Winter Solstice, crying through Sadhana, cry....because I am so wholey touched by the effect of this shabad on my being. I am in awe...the intensity of the beauty I am experiencing in this moment is unspeakable. The pain begins to release as I continue to chant the shabad over and over again...the tears are flowing out of me as if a faucet was turned on....my heart feels like a flood gate opening and as it opens the intensity of the rapture escalates...the tears come harder and harder....I continue on to other pauri's I have been working with...chanting and chanting...and I see an image and feel it as well...it's as if I am a child and I am being held in the bosom of the greatest mother of all...my arcline is is merging with that of the mother across her chest...and I just remember hearing some words like...surrender your pain and be comforted by the shabd... ....Then I put on Ram Ma Da Sa Sa Se So Hung...by GuruDass kaur and Singh (Circle of Light) and lay down for some deep relaxation...and once again I feel as if I am the instrument and the music vibrates through me with every note.....the experience continues on and on. Well... the tears finally subsided and I was left with a feeling of having been completely humbled. I felt completely powerless, as in, only you, God, completely in awe of what I had experienced....and at the same time never felt so empowered and whole, before....being powerless in the face of God..is completely an empowering experience?? Later in the day as I was working...I was experiencing pain again...but this time I had a different relationship to it.... I was massaging and listening to the CD Circle of Light (GuruDass) the title track and I was getting totally into it, at the same time I was experiencing this pain increasing...until finally I realized, I was both in physical pain and ecstasy at the same moment! Thinking to myself this is strange...how can I have both, simultaneously? So I guess the moral of this story is....YUP!....pain is just a sensation!! Ha ha ha! This experience actually clears something up for me...I remember watching Oprah once and this woman was saying that she had experienced an orgasmic birth...and I rememeber thinking at the time...if I ever give birth...that's the kind I would like to have!! (Who wouldn't!!) But everyone I have ever mentioned this too, has quickly told me there is no chance, that an orgasmic birth is possible. Well... with this new information, that ones' physical body can be suffering and in pain....YET some other part of your being is experiencing ecstasy...clears the pathway for this possibility, to in fact, be true!! The answer my teacher gave me was in keeping with these findings. He had said that you realize your being isn't suffering, but that your physical body is in fact suffering and then the need to respond to it compassionately. But funny enough...he never mentioned anything about orgasms and ecstasy?? Be in the Light, Sat Sangeet Kaur The New with improved product search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2003 Report Share Posted October 11, 2003 I presume you are meaning the 3oth pauri. The salutation to God during periods of distress is like giving yourself over to God, surrendering your self to Self. If you understand that you will understand where all pain really comes from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2003 Report Share Posted October 12, 2003 It actually was the 28th pauri I was chanting?? ....but now having looked at the 30th...I can see how the translation of it fits more with the experience that I had. I guess you get what you need...no matter what it is that you asked for? SSK Post your free ad now! Canada Personals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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