Guest guest Posted November 27, 2003 Report Share Posted November 27, 2003 Dharam recently wrote in his advice to Chela Shanti... "you don't need to beat on yourself any harder than you already are. Your yoga practice needs to be of the soothing, steady kind...." Something really moved in side me when I read it and I decided that I would write to you all for some advice on a deep conflict going on within me about the Masculine, the Feminine and Kundalini Yoga. I have found the very nature of KY to be stimulating and dynamic. I barely have to chant Sa Ta Na Ma once these days, and up comes some deep cathartic painfully unconscious stuff to look at. To be honest I sometimes get a bit tired of all the work it seems to throw up in my personal life. Looking in the mirror can get really really challenging when you've been doing it so consistantly for so long. I start wondering when am I going to get a break from all this processing stuff and just be able to relax????? Even though I understand that this is the whole idea... to become conscious in all areas of our lives... I am occasionally tempted to abandon the whole process and throw the mirror as far away as possible. Of course.. that would only be a temporary solution, if a solution at all, and eventually, in one way or another, the mirror would come back again. Periodically I have to stop my KY practice as I find it too stimulating. I think that I may have a very strong Vata, coupled with a strong mental activity, lots of over-thinking, and am not innately very good at living on the feeling level. I'd like to share how the Idea of Divine Feminine was *completely* missing from my life until the weekend of the Harmonic Concordance. This seems a strange thing to me considering that I am a 26 year old *woman*... (I put that in there, because of my name, people occasionally assume I'm a man) Over that weekend, I was on a KY retreat in Southern England...a lot of things came to the surface of my awareness.. it was like a cathartic smack in the face. This last year I've felt like I've been doing a Universal jigsaw puzzle. I've recently been frustrated, aware of feeling stuck, but not knowing how or when I'd be able move on and shift my state... That weekend I finally found the missing piece, the bridge, giving me what I needed to move onwards. It was the day after the Concordance, Sunday, that I realised that my masculine side has always far outweighed my feminine side. In fact I'm hardly in touch with my feminine side at all... Despite thinking in the past that I was a balanced person, in reality I barely relate to the feminine qualities of gentleness, receptiveness, calming, giving and nuturing. With help of a therapist who was there at the retreat I connected to a point in my past where a kind of shut-down of all things Feminine happened. It was an incident where my father attacked my mother in front of me when I was very young. To cut a long story short... My parents got divorced when I was a baby... I had contact with my dad by seeing him every other weekend.. but didn't like going over because I didn't like my stepmother. One weekend when I was due to visit my father, my mother was ill in bed, and I decided I didn't want to go, I wanted to stay and look after her. He irrationally jumped to the conclusion that she was trying to convince me not to go... went to her bedroom, put a pillow over her head and started punching her in the face in front of me. I tried to scream to tell him to stop, but I couldn't produce a sound, no matter how hard I tried. This, coupled with the fact that as a child, I assumed a supportive role for my mother (and her emotions) over many years.. and as we were a house of 3 women, I took on a Masculine role. I realised, that what I witnessed that day is much like what the Masculine inside me, my logic and thoughts, often does to my Feminine, my feelings and emotions... I shut off from them, ignore them, make them be quiet, dominate them and intellectualize everything. It has become very clear to me that this was also how I have approached my KY practice over the past several years... direct... disciplined... almost with a bit of a hard edged quality to it... and even when I noticed there was something inside me saying, 'Hey wait a minute, this is all going a bit fast for me... please slow down and be gentle'.. I would attribute it to my lazyness or some weakness in my character and keep striving forwards. Since the Harmonic Concrodance I have been deeply questioning whether in fact KY may be the best path for me. I love the idea of it. But in reality it doesn't seem to bring much peace to me. I see that it obviously works, as far as cleansing the subconsious and making me more aware of things, but wonder if I'll ever get to the other side of all my baggage and actually feel good. So I'm wondering... Is it possible to find, within the tradition of KY, a practice that will allow me to develop my much needed feminine side and the feminine qualities of the universe. Or whether, for me, a more gentle form of Hatha yoga may be what I need *AT THIS POINT IN MY LIFE*. Perhaps to return to KY at a later date. Thing is, when I consider moving towards other forms of yoga I get this strange almost guilty feeling about it... like I shouldn't be doing that as I'd be wasting my time, not doing enough to 'cleanse myself' or something. I can't figure out why on earth I'm thinking that, as there have been many great and enlightened beings from many different yoga traditions. Perhaps it just because KY is the only kind of yoga I've ever practiced. I'm happy that this awareness has now come to me. I now realise that half of me has been missing for sooooo long, the 'Divine' Feminine. But I'm not quite sure what to do, having always been a do-er, and realising that the feminine nature is more about be-ing. KY seems to be very much about doing, there's always alot going on.. the pace, the movement, the breathing, the effort, the challenge. It's not the most gentle of approaches, in fact often it's bloody painfull!!!! I'm excited by my realisation that my path is within me... that somehow it lies in making friends with, getting to know and somehow bringing together these two aspects of the Feminine & Masculine within myself. It gives me much hope. If I can do this... I think things will become a lot more jolly for me in life, and I may finally find some peace. What can I do to help me get more in touch with the feminine qualities both in my practice and my life? Has anyone else out there had any similar issues or experience with their KY practice? Should I stop KY and do something more gentle? Does soothing Kundalini Yoga exist????? .............If so, I would love to hear from you all. blessings to all, ~*~ Krishan Shiva Kaur ~*~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2003 Report Share Posted November 27, 2003 Sat Nam Krishan Shiva Kaur, I too am a woman. I can relate to your expression. I was very enmasculinated (if that is a word) up until a few years ago..and I am still working very hard at discovering, what the essence of a woman is...and how that looks and feels within me. First I would say about Kundalini Yoga...I believe there are two very different approaches to the practice...like I've said in the past, I have been some places where they approach it like an Olympic event! For me the more feminine approach is really taking time to tune into the luxuriousness of the breath...the moments of stillness and beauty between each exercise...moments of gratitude and acceptance. You can't run from what arises as you practice...but you can certainly give yourself time and space to allow it to process...that's the gentle approach. Then my other suggestions would be to look outside of your yogic practice, for ways to cultivate the feminine....nurturing...being.... kind of energy. Suggestions: Find a massage therapist who understands what "flow" means...and allow yourself to be initiated. Try a dance class....I don't know what it is like in England, but in Canada belly dancing has exploded on the scene over the last 6 years...I believe because it represents awakening the goddess within....that goddess energy is the feminine. My teacher will laugh that I am actually suggesting this (because I resist it so)..but get together regulary with women to talk. I know for myself this is how I process a ton of stuff. If you don't have this...then just send out an intention to the universe to have this blessing bestowed. Sing with people. Bathe...in a very luxurious way. If you want to try another form of yoga...do it...see how you feel...is it awakening the divine feminine within you? If it is practice it. I'm no expert...this is just some things I have been using to experience this more. I'm sure there is probably more, yogically speaking to draw from..but it's not coming to me in this moment. Sat Sangeet Kaur Post your free ad now! Canada Personals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2003 Report Share Posted November 27, 2003 Krishan Shiva Kaur, The Divine Mother meditation is a beautiful way to get in touch with your Feminine side. Avtar ______________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2003 Report Share Posted November 28, 2003 > I can completely relate to your post. I am brand new to this forum, but have been practicing Kundlini Yoga for four years, Hatha Yoga for 18 years. I sent an email to Yogi Bhajan once, asking him why Kundalini Yoga seemed to be bringing up so many conflicts for me. All of my "stuff" was slamming me in the face. He advised me to keep going. I'm now in a much different phase, and it's very pleasant, uplifting, and I find I'm laughing a lot. For me, I started doing less of the physical, and more of the chanting. I always do the Ad Guray Namay chant after tuning in, and it is so protective! I also approach my practice like a beginner, only doing the exercises for one minute, and resting for a few mins. in between each one. Doing too much too soon backfired for me. I worked as a beginner for three years. The classes I tried in LA were very hard, and I couln't work at that level. Writing out all of my feelings and impressions of what's going on has really helped. Also, I've gone back to ballet class,and sweating,dancing to beautiful classical music, and being around artistic male energy, (my teacher is a Russian master, and much like a Yogi,) has brought me great healing. I think you will be able to clear this energy, and ultimitely become more of yourself. It's like any art, we meet up against our inner resistance and can feel discouraged, then perhaps the next day we start to fly.... SatPal Kaur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2003 Report Share Posted November 28, 2003 Dear Krishan Shiva Kaur, It was my understanding that the even-numbered chakras, the pelvis, the heart, and the third eye work on the feminine qualities, dealing with relaxation and the openess to feel, to love and to see. Perhaps doing asanas or kriyas associated only with these Chakras might be gentler on your system. The book the Kundalini Yoga Experience by Guru Dharam s. Khalsa and Darryl O Keeffe has Kriyas specifically for each Chakra. The Grace of God Meditation is very nice.. On the other hand just start being who you want to be. Speaking as a woman who also had a traumatic and violent childhood, it will always be part of us, but it does not have to mold us, we have the choice to become who we want to be. Treat each day as a brand new exciting experience to become who you want to be. There is a nice meditation in Reaching Me in Me called Releasing Childhood Anger, which I was hesitant to do, thinking it would bring up alot of things, however, it seemed to make the memories evaporate and make me gentler being. I do not believe KY is the enemy, ask for guidance and you will be drawn to the kriyas and meditations needed for your particular needs at the moment. You can run, but you cannot hide from yourself. It seems like you have alot of grit, and will be able to figure things out if you just hang in there and ride out the waves. Keep up! Linda . P.S. on the other hand follow your instincts, if you need to take a break, you need to take a break! Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2003 Report Share Posted November 28, 2003 Sat Nam, Great realization, Krishan Shiva Kaur. This deserves a very thoughtful response. Here are some ideas. I am putting together a longer response which I will share with all KYTRaining. This is a very important question. Thanks for asking. Yes, there is the "beat yourself up" aspect of KY and many teachers teach that way and many students practice that way. But that is not the essence of KY. It is a carry over of how we perceive the world -- struggle, no pain no gain, etc. I have noticed that a lot of times we start out like this and then gradually realize that the spaces between the exercises are as important as the exercises themselves. It is absolutely essential to take the time to integrate the effects of the exercises (the piece that you are calling the feminine.) For starters, take one exercise and then sit with yourself to absorb, integrate and cultilvate awareness of the effects. When you feel satisfied that you have taken full advantage of the space you created with the exercise, move on to the next one. Maybe you will only do 1 or two exercises in one session. Maybe you will do the exercises for less time, i.e only one minute. Do the exercises in a loving, rhythmic way. Enjoy the movement and the stimulation. When the pleasure factor decreases stop the exercise and simply be present to your breath and the sensations in your body. Enjoy the effects. I said ENJOY. Some negative emotions may come up. But I have a feeling that if you shift the way you are doing the exercises to gently, lovingly and easily and take ample time to be lovingly with yourself, your emotional and physical body between exercises that a lot of the negative experiences will disappear or pass more quickly. These can also be messages from your soul to slow down and be kinder to yourself, to listen to your inner voice, to be present to the love and light of your soul. I will be very curious if your experiences change with the kinder method. Monitor this carefully and let us know. Sat Nam, Gururattan Kaur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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