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Sat Nam,

I have a question that has been with me for a couple

of years now & I have yet to be able to find a source

to help me understand this, so I am hoping by putting

it out there that someone may know the answer to

this...I was told that in Kundalini we do not chant

"OM" by itself...& the explanaition was that if we

did, we would loose everything...I had/have not heard

of this,can anyone else explain?

bright blessings,Jeannette

 

 

 

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I've not heard this. What is it that you were told you would lose?

 

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Krishan Shiva Kaur

 

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Tuesday, March 02, 2004 4:40 PM

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> Sat Nam,

> I have a question that has been with me for a couple

> of years now & I have yet to be able to find a source

> to help me understand this, so I am hoping by putting

> it out there that someone may know the answer to

> this...I was told that in Kundalini we do not chant

> "OM" by itself...& the explanaition was that if we

> did, we would loose everything...I had/have not heard

> of this,can anyone else explain?

> bright blessings,Jeannette

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Well...this may not be the technical answer, but here goes...

 

If when you chant a mantra and master it, you begin to embody the consciousness

that it resonates with....then when you chant Om, by itself, you would be

embodying the unmanifest....Om is the sound before creation was created...when

chanted as AAA-OOO--UUM it means "come thou into the form of life", which is

something we do in Ky as well as chant Ong. We are "the creation" or the

manifest (not the unmanifest).....so to become Unmanifest (embody it) would be

counterproductive in our world because we need to be in the world, in the

creation acting? Does that make any sense to you?

 

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Sat Nam Sat Sangeet, Jeanette

 

This is an interesting question to explore... I have been meditating on it.

 

In essence Om and Ong are One. OM is in Ong and Ong is in OM.

And yet, they hold different energies for us to experience when chanting.

 

As a way to symbolise those different energies... you could say that Om

returns us to our source, I think of it as upward, and Ong draws our

essential source into our manifest life creative expression, more of a

downwards direction. I use the idea of directions as a symbol to help

understand the difference of impact the energy of the mantras holds.

 

However, the idea that you would 'loose everything' if you chant Om, still

doesn't resonate with me at all. It has an element of fear in it.

 

Any further thoughts?

 

Sat Nam,

Krishan Shiva Kaur

 

Hampshire, England

 

 

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Sunday, March 07, 2004 8:56 PM

Re: Kundalini Yoga OM by itself...

 

 

> Well...this may not be the technical answer, but here goes...

>

> If when you chant a mantra and master it, you begin to embody the

consciousness that it resonates with....then when you chant Om, by itself,

you would be embodying the unmanifest....Om is the sound before creation was

created...when chanted as AAA-OOO--UUM it means "come thou into the form of

life", which is something we do in Ky as well as chant Ong. We are "the

creation" or the manifest (not the unmanifest).....so to become Unmanifest

(embody it) would be counterproductive in our world because we need to be in

the world, in the creation acting? Does that make any sense to you?

>

> Sat Sangeet

>

>

>

>

>

> Post your free ad now! Canada Personals

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Kundalini Yoga - for the best online

selection of Books, Videos and DVDs on Kundalini Yoga as taught by Yogi

Bhajan. Also a great range of beautiful Meditation and Mantra CDs, all with

RealAudio sound clips.

> - visit

> Links

>

>

>

>

>

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Sat Nam!

 

Gururattan covered this question in her book - "Love It with all Your Heart" -

available from www.yogatech.com

 

Gordon

 

 

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Sat Nam Sat Sangeet, Jeanette

 

This is an interesting question to explore... I have been meditating on it.

 

In essence Om and Ong are One. OM is in Ong and Ong is in OM.

And yet, they hold different energies for us to experience when chanting.

 

As a way to symbolise those different energies... you could say that Om

returns us to our source, I think of it as upward, and Ong draws our

essential source into our manifest life creative expression, more of a

downwards direction. I use the idea of directions as a symbol to help

understand the difference of impact the energy of the mantras holds.

 

However, the idea that you would 'loose everything' if you chant Om, still

doesn't resonate with me at all. It has an element of fear in it.

 

Any further thoughts?

 

Sat Nam,

Krishan Shiva Kaur

 

 

 

 

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Sat Nam Krishan Shiva...

 

Yes that's a beautiful description....I would agree

with it.

 

I think the sentence "lose everything".....probably

comes from from not recognizing the Source (that

there in fact is one, that we can return to).............when

you die, if you have no concept of the Source, your

perception would be that you 'lose everything'.....when

that is not the case at all....but from a constricted

perpective it may seem that way. So if chanting Om

takes you to the Source, you would become

unmanifest.....being unmanifest to the ego's point

of view...is definetly losing everything! ha ha!

 

As you have said...I believe it is the process of coming

to know the Source through experience of it...then

bringing that knowledge back into the creation and

living it. "Bringing heaven to earth". I believe the vibration

of "ong" more strongly supports this process of bringing

down the light....which is a process in this time and

space that we are all really trying hard to flow with and

be able to embody the light (the Source)....bring it

consciously into the manifest.

 

Thank you for sharing your insights and helping us to

experience clarity,

 

All Light,

Sat Sangeet kaur

 

 

 

 

 

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Sat Nam Krishan Shiva,

I think you put it very well in words, the different energy of OM and ONG. A

further thought would be that Om contains Ong in it, as Om is infinity in

its unmanifested form, where everything can be created from, but nothing has

been created yet. Ong is the creative manifestation of infinity. Ong has

'nerve' just like kundalini is the 'nerve' of the soul. It really makes

sense why we use this mantra in kundalini yoga. We choose, Ong because we

want to bring all this energy to life, here on earth...and its society.

However, to say that Om would make you 'loose everything' is a bit off!

After all, Om has been the essential mantra of the yogic tradition, for

thousands of years, by denying its energy it's like denying the essence of

yoga...which by the way means Union...union with the infinite source.

Love to All

Sat Atma

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Sat Nam,

 

Thanks for your sharing on this...

 

> I think the sentence "lose everything".....probably

> comes from from not recognizing the Source (that

> there in fact is one, that we can return to).............when

> you die, if you have no concept of the Source, your

> perception would be that you 'lose everything'.....when

> that is not the case at all....but from a constricted

> perpective it may seem that way. So if chanting Om

> takes you to the Source, you would become

> unmanifest.....being unmanifest to the ego's point

> of view...is definetly losing everything! ha ha!

 

In reference to your last sentance here... and having just got back from

Germany's L2 training on meditation and the mind... I can *definitely*

relate.... What a week!!!...Wahe Guru...*smile*

:-D

 

Blessings,

Krishan Shiva Kaur

 

Hampshire, England.

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