Guest guest Posted April 7, 2005 Report Share Posted April 7, 2005 Sat Nam, this is a question for teachers please... I have a student who has mentioned that she has concerns about doing breath of fire, she's in her early thirties & in good health. The first time she mentioned having pain I explained to her that this was not a hard forceful breath & for her to try doing it softer & when she felt the pain to breathe into it, that sometimes when doing KY the surrounding muscles could get tired from not being used... now she is mentioning it again & she wants to quit doing the breath, I want to see what you think, here is what she wrote: I would appreciate any suggestions (: thank you.... I wanted to ask you about my pain in the chest area. It seems to me that it started after I learned the "Breath of Fire from my Hindu friend. I thought that I was doing it incorrectly and started breathing slower and less forceful. I have to tell you that it still hurts and I would hate to think that it is this kind of breathing that my arteries can not take. Or course this is just speculation on my part,because I do not really know the reason for this pain, but it is funny that it started ever since. I think that I will have to go to the doctor and ask him about this. Let me ask you one thing, if it was this breathing, could I still practice Kundalini Yoga and get the same effects, even if I don't practice the breath of fire? All these things are on my head and I guess I will have to calm down. How would you handle this situation? with many blessings, Jiwan Shakti Make your home page http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2005 Report Share Posted April 7, 2005 Dear Jiwan Shakti, I am wondering - BOF and chest in the pain ?! This should and could not occur, if the BOF is done correctly. BOF is not done by 'panting' with the chest! In fact: the BOF comes solely from the navel point - the chest remains steady all the time. To learn the BOF correctly I found it easiest to start sitting in the following pose (eagle pose): Sit on the heels (Rock-pose). Sit with a straight spine. Make also a straight neck (as if somebody pulls up your hair). Make fists, extend the thumb, then lift the arms 60 degree angle up and pull the shoulderblades slightly backwards. Then do a deep inhale (this lifts the chest). Then make a short, fast pull of the navel point inwards. This moves the belly inwards and causes a short exhale - let go - pull - let go, etc. Start slowly and focus on the EXHALE / pulling of the navel point. The inhale happens automatically just with the let go of the navel point. The chest remains all the time up and is hardly moving. For the concentration and rhythm you (the teacher) can chant 'SAT (for pull in the navel) and NAM (for the release of the tension). I also found, that many students hesitate to breath 'loudly' through the nose. They try to avoid this by breathing either flat or opening the mouth. Also many students have difficulties with the coordination of inhale - belly out, exhale - belly in. In this cases it is good to teach them long deep breathing first (stand up and hold a book in front of the belly - inhale --> push the book forward...). This helps with the overall breath coordination. Slowly get the BOF faster until you reach approx 2 breath cycles per second. This done correctly will produce some sweat. Many people (esp not trained to breathe properly and with a not so strong metabolism) will also become slightly dizzy due to the high concentration of oxygen and the fast exchange of toxins in the lungs. Rest after this exercise in baby pose. Daily practise for 2 - 3 minutes is recommended :-) Hope this helps your student. Sending blessings and light from Shanghai, Adarsh S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2005 Report Share Posted April 8, 2005 Dear Jiwan Shakti, 1. there is a certain possibilty that your student has Hiatus Hernia. It occurs when the upper part of the stomach, which is joined to the oesophagus (gullet), moves up into the chest through the hole (called a hiatus) in the diaphragm. It is common and occurs in about 10 per cent of people.... Ses http://www.nevdgp.org.au/ginf2/murtagh/general/hiatushernia.htm and http://www.gicare.com/pated/ecdgs08.htm Sat Nam Gurur Shabad (Martin) Duesseldorf Germany Kundaliniyoga, wolfsister harmony <wolfsister_harmony> wrote: > > Sat Nam, this is a question for teachers please... > I have a student who has mentioned that she has > concerns about doing breath of fire, she's in her > early thirties & in good health. The first time she > mentioned having pain I explained to her that this was > not a hard forceful breath & for her to try doing it > softer & when she felt the pain to breathe into it, > that sometimes when doing KY the surrounding muscles > could get tired from not being used... > now she is mentioning it again & she wants to quit > doing the breath, I want to see what you think, here > is what she wrote: > I would appreciate any suggestions (: thank you.... > > I wanted to ask you about my pain in the chest area. > It seems to me > that it started after I learned the "Breath of Fire > from my Hindu > friend. I thought that I was doing it incorrectly and > started > breathing slower and less forceful. I have to tell you > that it still > hurts and I would hate to think that it is this kind > of breathing > that my arteries can not take. Or course this is just > speculation on > my part,because I do not really know the reason for > this pain, but it > is funny that it started ever since. > I think that I will have to go to the doctor and ask > him about this. > Let me ask you one thing, if it was this breathing, > could I still > practice Kundalini Yoga and get the same effects, even > if I don't > practice the breath of fire? > All these things are on my head and I guess I will > have to calm down. > > How would you handle this situation? > with many blessings, Jiwan Shakti > > > > > > Make your home page > http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2005 Report Share Posted April 8, 2005 Sat Nam, I'm sure we would all agree that she should visit her Dr. to rule out any serious physical ailments. While I am certainly not a qualified Kundalini Instructor I did note as I read her email describing the pain - it was refered to as 'my' pain in 'the' chest. That statement grabbed my attention. I think most people would have refered to it as 'the' pain in 'my' chest..please don't think I am trying to minimize the pain issue, pain is pain no matter what it's source - but the avenue of how she feels about pain in general might be explored? And the source of this pain? Blessings and Light, Malinda Better first dates. More second dates. Personals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2005 Report Share Posted April 8, 2005 Sat Nam,thank you so much for your responses, I agree that this should not occur...as you all know, stranger things have happened, we are all built differently & I thought that someone might of had this experience with one of their students.... it seems to me that she is doing the breath correctly when I watch & listen to her closely...at first my thoughts were that she was probably using muscles she wasn't use to stimulating, then I've also suggested she do it slower, more softly...thinking that perhaps inner tension or nervousness could also create this for her....& yet it still persists... & yes I have mentioned that for her peace of mind that perhaps she should see her doctor (: the Hiatal hernia thing struck a cord with me...I sent that to her, thank you... she plans to go see her doctor, I'll let you know the prognosis, thank you for your time,your input & suggestions...if anyone else thinks of anything, please share...thank you! with many blessings, Jiwan Shakti Make your home page http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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