Question -Kirtan Kriya

April 25, 2005

Hello Surjit,

welcome to the list,

For a detailed description see:

kundalini yogakyt15.html

here is another explanation from an earlier posting

which describes kirtan kriya:

"One of the meditations I learned in a kundalini meditation class is

called

the Kirtan Kriya, or SA-TA-NA-MA Meditation. It is a meditation for

glandular balance and uses mantra, mudra and visualization. The

mantra "Sa

Ta Na Ma" is chanted in a progression of aloud, in a whisper,

silently,

returning to the whisper, then aloud again.

I seem to remember the time for each segment is equal, with the

silent time

being twice as long. For example: 2 min. out loud, 2 min. whisper, 4

min.

silent, 2 min. whisper, 2 min. out loud.

(You can extend that up to 5-5-10-5-5 minutes )

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The Teachings of Yogi Bhajan. The Power of the Spoken Word:

"It is composed of five primal sounds which are proportional in their

combined vibration to the totality of creation.

SA means totality, TA means life, NA means death, and MA means

resurrection.

The fifth sound is

the AH sound which is common to these four.

It is the creative sound of the universe.

As we chant, the thumbs are touched to each fingertip in rhythm with

the

mantra in order to channelize the energy to the brain centers

relating to

intuition, patience, vitality, and communication. On the sound of SA

touch

the thumb to the first finger, with TA to the second finger, NA to the

third, and MA to the fourth.

Chant the mantra in three ways: out loud, in the voice of the human

being;

whispering, in the voice of the lover; and in the silence of our own

consciousness, the voice of the Divine. From the depth of our silent

meditation, come back to the whisper and then to the full voice.

Throughout the meditation, each syllable of the mantra should be

projected

mentally from the back top of the head, down and then straight out the

third eye point, which is located between the eyebrows at the root of

the

nose." [Ori: my teacher described this as an L-shape, allowing the

energy

to enter the top of the head (7th chakra) and exit at the 6th chakra.]

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Kundalini Yoga, the flow of eternal power

by Shakti Parwha Kaur Khalsa

"If you enjoy visualizing this is what Yogi Bhajan taught to use with

this mantra:

--Each time you chant "SA," picture all the galaxies, planets, suns,

moons,

and stars.

--Each time you chant "TA," visualize tremendous radiance, the

brilliant,

dazzling light of a trillion suns.

--Each time you chant "NA," see a winter landscape. The branches of

barren

trees standing silent in the snow, all of nature dormant.

--Each time you chant "MA," picture thousands of spring flowers in a

burst

of glorious technicolor, brilliant blooms joyfully blanketing the

hillside

as far as the eye can see!"

--SA--Totality, TA--Creativity, NA--Destruction, MA--Regeneration.

Be sure you as you chant each syllable to press firmly enough so that

when

you release the pressure the tip of the finger is briefly white. If

you

press too gently, you'll put yourself to sleep."

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I always enjoy this meditation. I like how this meditation uses a

combination of mantra, mudra, and visualization as well as sensing the

L-shaped energy to keep my mind busy and occupied trying to

coordinate the

whole thing. Personally I've found I reach deeper states when I

chant with

a group. I'm not sure why that is.

I hope this is of use. It is not so easy to convey some of the finer

aspects in writing. If you have any questions I can try to clarify."

Sat Nam

Guru Shabd (Martin, Duesseldorf, Germany)

April 26, 2005

Sat Nam

Thank you very much for explaining to me about kirtan kriya:

"As you were saying that the first thing you learn about meditations in your

kundalini meditation class is

called the Kirtan Kriya, or SA-TA-NA-MA Meditation & It is a meditation for

glandular balance how about Ong Namo Gurudev Namo should I use this mantra first

or start with SA TA NA MA & what is mudra "Sa Ta Na Ma" is chanted in a

progression of aloud, in a whisper,silently,returning to the whisper, then aloud

again.Should I chant SAAAAA TAAAAA NAAAAA MAAAAAA or just SA TA NA MA as you

were saying that each segment is equal, We should inhale & while exhale we

should meditate SAAAAA TAAAAA NAAAAA MAAAAAA on one breath. With the silent time

being twice as long. For example: 2 min. out loud, 2 min. whisper, 4 min.

silent, 2 min. whisper, 2 min. out loud. can we use mala (Rosery) to chant &

does it matter lets say today I chant for 11min the next day 10min or less will

it effect our meditation. sorry for asking to many question as here there is no

KY teacher. As you saying SA means totality, TA means life, NA means death, and

MA means resurrection. SA TA NA MA there is only four & the

fifth sound is the AH sound which is common to these four. (this I dont

understand.....) Should I meditate SA TA NA MA AH.As we chant we use both our

hand & the palm should be facing up or down.the third eye point, which is

located between the eyebrows at the root of the nose." [Ori: my teacher

described this as an L-shape, allowing the energy to enter the top of the head

(7th chakra) and exit at the 6th chakra.] inhale from the crown & exhale from

the third eye that means inhale to the full from the crown & meditate SAAAAA

TAAAAA NAAAAA MAAAAA while exhaling from the third eye should imagine that SA TA

NA MA is being exhale from the third eye???? As you were saying each time we

chant we sould picture its true our third eye????As we chant we sould press our

finger firmly to our tump not the tump to be press to the finger. As you always

enjoy this meditation.As it has combination of mantra, mudra, and visualization

as well as sensing the

L-shaped energy to keep your mind busy and occupied trying What other mantra you

use?? can we meditate 3,4 times a day is there any time fix for meditation. let

say we start at 8am till 8.30am & we start again at 9.30am to 10am.One last

question how will I know if Im doing the correct way. Thank you very much for

the help & hope to hear from you soon. Just cant wait to start

Sat Nam

Surjit Singh

April 27, 2005

Hello Surjit Singh,

> how about Ong Namo Gurudev Namo should I use this mantra first

Yes. Tune in by chanting Ong Name Guru dev name 3 Times

>Should I chant SAAAAA TAAAAA NAAAAA MAAAAAA or just SA TA NA MA

Sa Ta Na Ma

> can we use mala (Rosery) to chant & does it matter lets say today I

>chant for 11min the next day 10min or less will it effect our

>meditation.

Do it fo 11 Min.

> sorry for asking to many question as here there is no KY teacher.

i strongly recommend you to try to find one, if possible!

>As you saying SA means totality, TA means life, NA means death, and

>MA means resurrection. SA TA NA MA there is only four & the

> fifth sound is the AH sound which is common to these four. (this

>I dont understand.....)

>Should I meditate SA TA NA MA AH

No! Its Sa Ta Na Ma. The Explanation refers to the Mantra being also

called "Panj Shabd" (Five Words) The Five Sounds being S T N M and A.

>should imagine that SA TA NA MA is being exhale from the third

>eye???? As you were saying each time we chant we sould picture its

>true our third eye????

Yes

> What other mantra you use??

There are a lot of Mantras in KY See www.kundaliniyoga.org for

details.

> can we meditate 3,4 times a day is there any time fix for

>meditation. let say we start at 8am till 8.30am & we start again at

9.30am to 10am.

The ideal Time for Meditation is the amrit vela also called "sattvic

hours" in the morning before sun rises. ( 4 a.m. to 7 a.m. )

> One last question how will I know if Im doing the correct way.

Tune in with the Adi mantra (Ong Name, Guru Dev namo) 3 times

before you start. To End after the Meditation chant "Sat Nam" three

times. Tuning in will connect you to the golden Chain of teachers,

who wil lguide your way on. You can also meditate to find a teacher!

> Thank you very much for the help & hope to hear from you soon. Just

>cant wait to start

Your Welcome

>

> Sat Nam

>

> Surjit Singh

Sat Nam

Martin (Guru Shabd)

April 27, 2005

Thank you very much

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