Ginko biloba /the center of pain

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"This funny technique works for me. Staying in the very place of the pain, my

spirit asking for more."

 

 

Yes...I practice a similar technique. When physical pain overwhelms me and

nothing seems to have any effect on it...I bring my consciousness right into the

center of the pain and marinate in it.

 

In the center of it, there is no contrast...it just is, what it is, with no

gradations or variations. It's only with the contrast of part of me feeling "in

pain" and another part of me "not feeling pain", that I am able to

say..."yes...I am in alot of pain right now!!"

 

But when I go into the place where there is nothing but, the constant

pain....that's where I find some solace.

 

Actually, just as I write this, a realization is coming to me. My teacher was

telling us yesterday about a study that shows that killing is addictive, because

studies show that at that moment of killing another, it allows the killer to

"feel" and normally they don't feel....so they want to feel, but unfortunately,

the only way they can is through the act of killing....so they are driven to do

it again and again, in order to experience feeling.

 

At the time of death and at the time of birth, you are very close to God and it

is easiest to "feel" it at those times.....so killing is an extremely unskillful

way of trying to experience God. And it's very sad to realize that there are

human beings that are so emotionally damaged, that they need the intensity of

death to experience "feeling".

 

What I realized is that going into experiences of intense physical pain.....have

forced me to find God basically. Without the excruciating intensity of it, I

never would have "had" to find the center of it...where there is no

contrast....only pure beingness, without the judgment of pain or no pain.

 

So like the murderers, who kill to experience "God" at the moment of anothers

death and need that extreme intensity in order to be able to experience it....I

have had intense/extreme experiences of physical pain, inorder to eventually

find "God" in those moments of severe pain.

 

So the intensity of the pain is a gift that forced me to find God essentially.

 

All Light,

Sat Sangeet Kaur

AB, Canada

 

 

 

 

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>Sat Sangeet <satsangeetkaur

>Kundaliniyoga

>Kundaliniyoga

>Re: Kundalini Yoga Ginko biloba /the center of pain

>Thu, 6 Oct 2005 21:34:07 -0400 (EDT)

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I hear your writing about killers but are they close to God? I mean maybe

they are feeling something closer to hell. They might feel that addictive

body high but is it closer to the higher self? There is no comparison, the

closer to your higher self the less you want to kill a fly. Just my thoughts

on the matter.

 

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"I hear your writing about killers but are they close to God? I mean maybe

they are feeling something closer to hell. They might feel that addictive

body high but is it closer to the higher self? There is no comparison, the

closer to your higher self the less you want to kill a fly." Elaine

 

Sat Nam,

 

If I wrote or implied that serial killers experience "God" at the moment of

death...then I mis-spoke and I'd like to "refine" what I wrote previously. That

wasn't what I meant... because I don't know "what" killers feel at the moment

of death...only that there was a study done, where it showed that they "feel"

"something" at the moment of another's death...and normally they don't 'feel"at

all.

 

So the experience of "wanting" to "feel" becomes addictive, so they feel

compelled to kill, in order to have the experience of "feeling", again and

again.

 

Which we know is extremely disfunctional behavior and extremely karma producing

in it's effects and I do not advocate it as a means for experiencing God..at

all...at all. And I don't even know if it is possible, for a serail killer, to

experience God in that moment, due to the karma that would be produced by the

killing?? I don't know? So that wasn't what i was commenting on.

 

At any rate, I wasn't advocating "killing" to experience God (by any means)...I

was making a comparison between the "intensity" of pain that I have

experienced.... and that the "extreme intensity" of that pain, was necessary, to

"force me" to reach for something past the pain ( to experience God in that

moment, at whatever capacity I was capable of, to do that, in my

consciousness).

 

And then I was comparing that to a serial killer having to increase the

"intensity" of their behavior, up to the level of killing (which is as intense

as it can get, in my opinion)...in order to even experience "feeling",

nevermind, what kind of feeling it may be?

 

So it was necessity of "intensity" of the experience, that I was comparing,

in order to be able to experience a new state of consciousness, not neccesarily

the outcome of that experience. For me, the new state was something closer to

experiencing my higher self...for a killer the new state was "feeling" as

opposed to "not feeling".

 

And "feeling" is something that, all of us, just normally do in any given

moment....it's as second nature to us as breathing....so if you think about it

in that way...you can definitely understand why if you can't normally "feel",

why it would take such an immense amount of intensity (such as killing) to bring

that experience forth. That was what I was comparing.

 

Although... I was guess I was trying to make two different points (one regarding

the moment of death and the other about what kind of intensity is necessary

sometimes to experience new states of consciousness) and perhaps they may have

been better separated into two different e-mails to avoid any confusion. I

guess I wasn't clear myself what I was trying to express, in that moment, so it

was coming through in an unrefined way.

 

I was trying to express something about the nature of reality at the moment of

death as well...which was that, people who have witnessed death, will often

report experiencing intense feelings of love in that moment. So going a step

further, if we are all one...then we can be conscious of each others experiences

as they occur....and if we are open to witnessing that at the moment of a loved

ones passing, then perhaps we can experience that as well, building and

strengthening our relationship with God, by having an experience of God?

 

I, personally, have not witnessed death "in real life" before....although I have

had a dream where I was lucid and I witnessed someone dying....and I saw a light

coming out the top of their head (which I believe was the soul leaving the body)

and I bent down and placed my arc line in that light...and I believe what I

experienced in that moment was God. Or atleast it was at the capacity that I am

currently capable of "experiencing God".

 

So I know from that experience, that the ability to "feel", what under normal

circumstances, you aren't able to feel or experience, at the moment of death, is

heightened in some way. And that was the other point i was trying to make.

 

Thank you Elaine, for commenting on what I wrote, because it helped me to

process and refine my understanding of what it was I was trying to express.

 

All Light,

Sat Sangeet kaur

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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>Sat Sangeet <satsangeetkaur

>Kundaliniyoga

>Kundaliniyoga

>Re: Kundalini Yoga Ginko biloba /the center of pain

>Thu, 20 Oct 2005 13:14:29 -0400 (EDT)

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Sat Nam, when I read your writing the thing that comes to mind is something

a Yogi once said, and I can't really pronounce his name. He said that all

sentient beings, "Oh, now it is coming to me!" Tibet?? That no guru will

leave enlightened until they take all sentient beings with them. If we are

part of God we have been the killer, the child molestor, the saint, the

priest and from each of these life experiences learned lessons on becoming

closer to God. What I am trying to say is that sometimes it is so hard to

grasp that inside ourselves is darkness that needs to be healed. That could

be because our egos want to tell us that we are special or only of the

light. When perhaps all things can be true of us all and not true and beyond

that, the diadic?? is the whole. Pure creative space with no black or white.

Are we all from the godforce? elaine

 

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