Guest guest Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 Hello, I am new to this group, but I have been practicing T.M. since 1972. I have a question about meditation that I have been seeking the answer to for a very long time. I have come to the realization that as the thoughts ebb and flow some of the thoughts are not mine. I mean that they lead to an end that I choose not to participate in. I just want to pass theese thoughts and not be bothered by them anymore. Equinimity. Thank You and may we all find what we are seeking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2006 Report Share Posted January 19, 2006 Dearest True Believer, what do you mean when you say the thoughts are not yours? who or what do you believe they belong to? Certainly it would seem that since they are generated by your mind that even if these thoughts were learned from someone else that you have taken them on as your own. The more we repress or deny a certain thought or feeling, the more power and importance we give to that thought or feeling. is the issue that you can't just observe and accept these thoughts without engaging or judging yourself? or do you truly believe that these thoughts are generated from outside of your own mind? peace ovasoul Kundaliniyoga, "true_believer_7" <true_believer_7> wrote: > > Hello, I am new to this group, but I have been practicing T.M. since > 1972. I have a question about meditation that I have been seeking the > answer to for a very long time. I have come to the realization that as > the thoughts ebb and flow some of the thoughts are not mine. I mean > that they lead to an end that I choose not to participate in. I just > want to pass theese thoughts and not be bothered by them anymore. > Equinimity. Thank You and may we all find what we are seeking. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Well, I was leaning toward believing that these thoughts were generated from outside of my own mind, but in light of your answer, I believe I will continue to try to unconditionaly observe them and see if I might leave them behind. Kind of like not looking at a persistant salesman untill they leave you alone type of attitude. Thank you and Peace and light be with you. Kundaliniyoga, "ovasoul" <ovasoul wrote: > > Dearest True Believer, > what do you mean when you say the thoughts are not yours? who or what > do you believe they belong to? Certainly it would seem that since they > are generated by your mind that even if these thoughts were learned > from someone else that you have taken them on as your own. The more we > repress or deny a certain thought or feeling, the more power and > importance we give to that thought or feeling. is the issue that you > can't just observe and accept these thoughts without engaging or > judging yourself? or do you truly believe that these thoughts are > generated from outside of your own mind? > peace > ovasoul > > Kundaliniyoga, "true_believer_7" > <true_believer_7> wrote: > > > > Hello, I am new to this group, but I have been practicing T.M. since > > 1972. I have a question about meditation that I have been seeking the > > answer to for a very long time. I have come to the realization that as > > the thoughts ebb and flow some of the thoughts are not mine. I mean > > that they lead to an end that I choose not to participate in. I just > > want to pass theese thoughts and not be bothered by them anymore. > > Equinimity. Thank You and may we all find what we are seeking. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Dearest True Believer, let me preface this post by saying I do not know your thoughts or their nature, other than the fact that you do not approve of them. It is good to know that we all have thoughts that wander into what we consider unsavory territory at times. We are, after all...and before all, human If we can know our thoughts, if we bring consciousness to them, we can avoid acting on them unconsciously and behaving as, and becoming, what we despise, avoid and judge. >From my perspective - others may have different ones - meditation is about coming to know ourselves as a whole rather than losing ourselves or becoming other than we are. (Regular meditation will change us and deepen us but meditation is about being present and in the process not achieving goals. Transformation is a by-product of being and if we cannot simply be we will never be transformed by meditation.) Once we truly know ourselves we can consciously choose which thoughts and feelings we feed and act upon. What we feed grows, we can feed thoughts and emotions through added attention and energy or through using extra energy to repress them. Thoughts we repress tend to resurface more strongly and run the risk of becoming obsessive. If we can just watch the river of thoughts and feelings that flow through us as we meditate, without becoming attached to them and mistaking our fleeting thoughts and feelings for our eternal being, we can come to know who we truly are. May the salesmen stop knocking at your door once you've checked out their wears. It is always your choice as to whether you invest energy in what they're selling blessings ovasoul Kundaliniyoga, "true_believer_7" <true_believer_7 wrote: > > > Well, I was leaning toward believing that these thoughts were > generated from outside of my own mind, but in light of your answer, > I believe I will continue to try to unconditionaly observe them and > see if I might leave them behind. Kind of like not looking at a > persistant salesman untill they leave you alone type of attitude. > > Thank you and Peace and light be with you. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 True Believer: You are right. The thoughts running around your mind aren't yours. You make them yours by delving on them, by worrying about them, by fighting them, etc. So your approach of dealing with thoughts "Kind of like not looking at a persistent salesman until they leave you alone type of attitude" may work. I prefer the image of dealing with them like clouds. It is less judgmental. See the judgment in "persistent salesman" sounds like you have an attachment to those thoughts as you see them a certain way, as though they want something from you. Even that is a thought. and it is giving energy to the other thoughts. Blessings, Awtar Singh Rochester, NY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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