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Hello, I am new to this group, but I have been practicing T.M. since

1972. I have a question about meditation that I have been seeking the

answer to for a very long time. I have come to the realization that as

the thoughts ebb and flow some of the thoughts are not mine. I mean

that they lead to an end that I choose not to participate in. I just

want to pass theese thoughts and not be bothered by them anymore.

Equinimity. Thank You and may we all find what we are seeking.

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Dearest True Believer,

what do you mean when you say the thoughts are not yours? who or what

do you believe they belong to? Certainly it would seem that since they

are generated by your mind that even if these thoughts were learned

from someone else that you have taken them on as your own. The more we

repress or deny a certain thought or feeling, the more power and

importance we give to that thought or feeling. is the issue that you

can't just observe and accept these thoughts without engaging or

judging yourself? or do you truly believe that these thoughts are

generated from outside of your own mind?

peace

ovasoul

 

Kundaliniyoga, "true_believer_7"

<true_believer_7> wrote:

>

> Hello, I am new to this group, but I have been practicing T.M. since

> 1972. I have a question about meditation that I have been seeking the

> answer to for a very long time. I have come to the realization that as

> the thoughts ebb and flow some of the thoughts are not mine. I mean

> that they lead to an end that I choose not to participate in. I just

> want to pass theese thoughts and not be bothered by them anymore.

> Equinimity. Thank You and may we all find what we are seeking.

>

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Well, I was leaning toward believing that these thoughts were

generated from outside of my own mind, but in light of your answer,

I believe I will continue to try to unconditionaly observe them and

see if I might leave them behind. Kind of like not looking at a

persistant salesman untill they leave you alone type of attitude.

 

Thank you and Peace and light be with you.

 

 

 

Kundaliniyoga, "ovasoul" <ovasoul wrote:

>

> Dearest True Believer,

> what do you mean when you say the thoughts are not yours? who or

what

> do you believe they belong to? Certainly it would seem that since

they

> are generated by your mind that even if these thoughts were learned

> from someone else that you have taken them on as your own. The

more we

> repress or deny a certain thought or feeling, the more power and

> importance we give to that thought or feeling. is the issue that

you

> can't just observe and accept these thoughts without engaging or

> judging yourself? or do you truly believe that these thoughts are

> generated from outside of your own mind?

> peace

> ovasoul

>

> Kundaliniyoga, "true_believer_7"

> <true_believer_7> wrote:

> >

> > Hello, I am new to this group, but I have been practicing T.M.

since

> > 1972. I have a question about meditation that I have been

seeking the

> > answer to for a very long time. I have come to the realization

that as

> > the thoughts ebb and flow some of the thoughts are not mine. I

mean

> > that they lead to an end that I choose not to participate in. I

just

> > want to pass theese thoughts and not be bothered by them

anymore.

> > Equinimity. Thank You and may we all find what we are seeking.

> >

>

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Dearest True Believer,

let me preface this post by saying I do not know your thoughts or

their nature, other than the fact that you do not approve of them. It

is good to know that we all have thoughts that wander into what we

consider unsavory territory at times. We are, after all...and before

all, human :) If we can know our thoughts, if we bring consciousness

to them, we can avoid acting on them unconsciously and behaving as,

and becoming, what we despise, avoid and judge.

 

>From my perspective - others may have different ones - meditation is

about coming to know ourselves as a whole rather than losing ourselves

or becoming other than we are. (Regular meditation will change us and

deepen us but meditation is about being present and in the process not

achieving goals. Transformation is a by-product of being and if we

cannot simply be we will never be transformed by meditation.) Once we

truly know ourselves we can consciously choose which thoughts and

feelings we feed and act upon. What we feed grows, we can feed

thoughts and emotions through added attention and energy or through

using extra energy to repress them. Thoughts we repress tend to

resurface more strongly and run the risk of becoming obsessive. If we

can just watch the river of thoughts and feelings that flow through us

as we meditate, without becoming attached to them and mistaking our

fleeting thoughts and feelings for our eternal being, we can come to

know who we truly are.

 

May the salesmen stop knocking at your door once you've checked out

their wears. It is always your choice as to whether you invest energy

in what they're selling ;)

blessings

ovasoul

 

Kundaliniyoga, "true_believer_7"

<true_believer_7 wrote:

>

>

> Well, I was leaning toward believing that these thoughts were

> generated from outside of my own mind, but in light of your answer,

> I believe I will continue to try to unconditionaly observe them and

> see if I might leave them behind. Kind of like not looking at a

> persistant salesman untill they leave you alone type of attitude.

>

> Thank you and Peace and light be with you.

>

 

>

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True Believer:

 

 

 

You are right. The thoughts running around your mind aren't yours.

 

 

 

You make them yours by delving on them, by worrying about them, by fighting

them, etc.

 

 

 

So your approach of dealing with thoughts "Kind of like not looking at a

persistent salesman until they leave you alone type of attitude" may work. I

prefer the image of dealing with them like clouds. It is less judgmental.

See the judgment in "persistent salesman" sounds like you have an attachment

to those thoughts as you see them a certain way, as though they want

something from you. Even that is a thought. and it is giving energy to the

other thoughts.

 

Blessings,

Awtar Singh

Rochester, NY

 

 

 

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