hi

January 29, 2006

Hello. Rising people.

I think this is the place where I can get some questions answerd.not long ago

I used to think that im one of those people...whom existence made just to

suffer, pain, failures, and hardship to be left alone for ever no matter how

honest, hardworking, talented, and creative ur or no matter how good ur

intentions may be. The end result would always be a person who finds himself

hurt to see his worst fear coming alive. and a person. When ever who puts his

heart and soul to a thing, like work, music, relationship.etc or to desire

anything meaning ful.would be taken away from him... cuz that gives him peace,

happiness and a feeling of contentment...without feeling any ego based

pride...like this 27 years have passed and I find my self as a young

man...with an unsecured being.and.just the opposite of what he thought he would

be...and who can not recall when was the last time he was happy... until i

found.that existence is not against me and if it was i would not be here...in

the first

place .it’s the bad experience of childhood and parents making my own

energies go against me....i started doing some light meditation like watching ur

thoughts. And feelings...and I find that. I feel im in more mess...

I feel

The same thing magnified. In 5 folds

Unable to express myself. for example...can’t even cry

utterly low in self-confidence....

and gradually I feel. that my creative juices are drying up slowly...

and getting victimized by demons inside.. again and again...in other words...

always being in a wrong place in the wrong time...or in a right place in the

wrong time...so basically nothing has changed...it’s just that it’s

exposed.....and magnified

so what I would like to know….is kundalini yoga good for me…. if yes what are

the things that. I should keep in mind…

Jiyo cricket on India cricket

January 29, 2006

Dear Bokojoo,

Sat Nam. (Truth is your identity)

You have come to the right place! Many of us have felt as you -- very

eloquently -- described. You are identifying with the part of you that

feels failure. Kundalini Yoga will help you identify with the part ofyou

that is true, is everlasting, that is love and peace and joy. All of those

things are still with you -- that is why you wrote to KY groups with your

inquiry. :-)

If I were you, I would find a KY teacher, or failing that, go to

YogaTech.com and buy a book -- I bought "Transitions to a Heart Centered

World" by Gururattan -- and start doing a little yoga before you go to bed

at night and when you get up in the morning. A little is ok -- you will get

hooked soon enough, when you start to feel better. Then you will want to do

more. Also, counseling with a sympathetic counselor who understands yoga

can be very helpful. Keep us involved in your process -- write to me or the

group and let us know how things are going. Finally, be kind to yourself.

do things that you like to do -- don't overdo them, but enjoy them.

Love and Light to you,

Avneesh Singh,

Milford NH

January 29, 2006

Sat Nam, bokojoo!

If it is any consolation, I, too, hope and pray to have help from this

site/this yogic practice, too.

I have lived through an abusive childhood, adulthood -- and am hoping to go

beyond. I welcome all suggestions and prayers.

Blessings to all,

Padmani Kaur

Phoenix, AZ

January 30, 2006

Yes Ive had feelings of hopelessness too. KY turned that around quickly. I first

did Sat Kriya, then nabhi kriya and was hooked. Energetically at first it pulls

you out of your hopelessness and gives you a better perspective after the

meditation cleans your subconscious mind. I have imbalanced hips and was for all

of my life depressed blocked. KY made me feel like id awakened from a long

sleep. A rebirth to a much richer life than id thought possible. Mahan gyan

kriya has lifted me out of this being stuck feeling and given me a new life. Im

doing a meditation sodarshan 5mins and starting real slow because it can release

alot of garbage at once and you can get more depressed by trying to clean too

quickly. This is an effective tool. Dont give up, Chris

bokojoo <bokojoo wrote: Hello. Rising people.

I think this is the place where I can get some questions answerd.not long ago

I used to think that im one of those people...whom existence made just to

suffer, pain, failures, and hardship to be left alone for ever no matter how

honest, hardworking, talented, and creative ur or no matter how good ur

intentions may be. The end result would always be a person who finds himself

hurt to see his worst fear coming alive. and a person.

January 30, 2006

hello rising people

thanks for such a positive response...i know now for sure..that finally

ill b able to burry the hachet..and free my mind...

now the shrink thing is not happening...since i would like to heal from

within not from outside..

i just need to know....where to start..which what are the basics..what

books i can find...

is vipasana meditation of any help...

now there is one very strange fact that i know about myself and just

like any other thing no one else but me can experiance and feel it..

some years back i got hurt as a child while playing..and it is my spine

im talking about.which healed on its own..few years later...i would

feel..terrible pain in my back bone just below my neck...parents thought

its spondalitis (or how ever u spell it) x rays and doctors couldnt find

anything...but s till today..i feel...rigidness and a subtle pain in one

perticular part of my backbone...and it hurts (consider some one has

driven a nail through ur backbone)

now my question is it some kind of energy block?

rise and shine with love

mithun

January 30, 2006

I think the hoplessness has emerged because the

teachers are really more concerned about the money,

then they really truly are concerned about you. it's

all about money now, not about love, regardless of

what they say

--- chris charles <ccharles79 wrote:

> Yes Ive had feelings of hopelessness too. KY turned

> that around quickly. I first did Sat Kriya, then

> nabhi kriya and was hooked. Energetically at first

> it pulls you out of your hopelessness and gives you

> a better perspective after the meditation cleans

> your subconscious mind. I have imbalanced hips and

> was for all of my life depressed blocked. KY made me

> feel like id awakened from a long sleep. A rebirth

> to a much richer life than id thought possible.

> Mahan gyan kriya has lifted me out of this being

> stuck feeling and given me a new life. Im doing a

> meditation sodarshan 5mins and starting real slow

> because it can release alot of garbage at once and

> you can get more depressed by trying to clean too

> quickly. This is an effective tool. Dont give up,

> Chris

>

> bokojoo <bokojoo wrote: Hello. Rising

> people.

> I think this is the place where I can get some

> questions answerd.not long ago I used to think that

> im one of those people...whom existence made just to

> suffer, pain, failures, and hardship to be left

> alone for ever no matter how honest, hardworking,

> talented, and creative ur or no matter how good ur

> intentions may be. The end result would always be a

> person who finds himself hurt to see his worst fear

> coming alive. and a person.

>

January 31, 2006

Dear Mithun:

You just said that you don't want to heal from outside. why do you want

books for?

Instead learn what your insides are made off. Do your yoga from the Yogatech

website. Learn to meditate. Learn to live in your body, not your mind. Learn

that there are no such things as failures and successes, only keeping up or

giving up!

And keep asking questions! But feel what's right for you!

Blessings,

Awtar S.

Rochester, NY

February 1, 2006

kriyas...David.Richard here.could you tell me more about kriyas? I feel the

way you do.Any where I can find that info would be greatly appreicated.Thank

You. Richard Jones rjones6134

-

"chris charles" <ccharles79

Monday, January 30, 2006 11:46 AM

Re: Kundalini Yoga hi

> Yes Ive had feelings of hopelessness too. KY turned that around quickly. I

> first did Sat Kriya, then nabhi kriya and was hooked. Energetically at

> first it pulls you out of your hopelessness and gives you a better

> perspective after the meditation cleans your subconscious mind. I have

> imbalanced hips and was for all of my life depressed blocked. KY made me

> feel like id awakened from a long sleep. A rebirth to a much richer life

> than id thought possible. Mahan gyan kriya has lifted me out of this

> being stuck feeling and given me a new life. Im doing a meditation

> sodarshan 5mins and starting real slow because it can release alot of

> garbage at once and you can get more depressed by trying to clean too

> quickly. This is an effective tool. Dont give up, Chris

>

> bokojoo <bokojoo wrote: Hello. Rising people.

> I think this is the place where I can get some questions answerd.not long

> ago I used to think that im one of those people...whom existence made just

> to suffer, pain, failures, and hardship to be left alone for ever no

> matter how honest, hardworking, talented, and creative ur or no matter how

> good ur intentions may be. The end result would always be a person who

> finds himself hurt to see his worst fear coming alive. and a person.

>

> Kundalini Yoga - for the best online

> selection of Books, Videos and DVDs on Kundalini Yoga, based on ancient

> technology as brought to the West by Yogi Bhajan. Also a great range of

> beautiful Meditation and Mantra CDs, all with RealAudio sound clips.

> - visit

> Links

>

February 1, 2006

Dearest mithun,

congratulations on your desire to heal. And to bury the hatchet!

Though hatchets can be useful tools when used to chop wood not people

As always, we need to seek the kind of help we're open to at this

point in our evolution and listen to our heart to know what we truly

need (though sometimes what we reject the most vehemently can be the

most useful to us).

if i may offer another perspective on talk therapy, not to convince

you to seek therapy but just as an alternative understanding. All talk

therapy requires putting talk into action in our lives and is but one

means to come to a deeper understanding of ourselves and the world as

it is. Counselling/therapy AND meditation can be a very powerful yoga

(or bridge), especially if you work with a therapist/councellor who is

open to these practices which any Jungian based therapist will be. A

good therapist or councellor will help you expand not shrink your

perspective and capacity for compassion for both yourself and others

,and give you tools other than hatchets to use in the world. Therapy

involves healing from the inside, it is not something that is done to

us but a process we participate in with the therapist. We do the work,

the therapist offers us guidance. i offer this perspective not to

convince you to choose to undertake a therapeutic relationship but

merely to offer another way of looking at a useful tool and practice

so that you do not limit your options.

Kundalini yoga is generally very active and intense so any reputable

teacher will ask you to be sure that it won't compound or aggravate

the injury that is causing pain and to check with your doctor. You may

want to see a pain specialist about your neck, x-rays don't always

show all the aspects of an injury and the tools for diagnosis have

become much more sophisticated than they used to be. At the very least

you should start slowly and be careful with your body, and if you work

with a teacher let the teacher know about your condition.

Sitting or walking meditation can be very useful for pain management

(though let me emphasize that it is useful for management not a cure).

i hope whatever tools or practices you choose to undertake that they

offer you relief from your pain and a kundalini practice that is

suitable for you. i'm sure the kundalini yoga teachers on this list

can offer their perspectives.

blessings on your journey

ovasoul

Kundaliniyoga, "bokojoo" <bokojoo> wrote:

>

> hello rising people

>

> thanks for such a positive response...i know now for sure..that finally

> ill b able to burry the hachet..and free my mind...

>

> now the shrink thing is not happening...since i would like to heal from

> within not from outside..

>

> i just need to know....where to start..which what are the basics..what

> books i can find...

>

> is vipasana meditation of any help...

>

> now there is one very strange fact that i know about myself and just

> like any other thing no one else but me can experiance and feel it..

> some years back i got hurt as a child while playing..and it is my spine

> im talking about.which healed on its own..few years later...i would

> feel..terrible pain in my back bone just below my neck...parents thought

> its spondalitis (or how ever u spell it) x rays and doctors couldnt find

> anything...but s till today..i feel...rigidness and a subtle pain in one

> perticular part of my backbone...and it hurts (consider some one has

> driven a nail through ur backbone)

>

> now my question is it some kind of energy block?

>

> rise and shine with love

>

> mithun

>

February 1, 2006

Hi mithun

With ragard to where to start, here is one suggestion:

Pay particular attention to getting your breathing right. To that

end, as well as the yoga manuals of Gururattan, there is a book

called "Breathwalk" by Yogi Bhajan and Gurucharan Singh Khalsa,

which you could find helpful.

The following quote from Ramana Maharshi explains the importance of

breath control.

"The principle underlying the systems of yoga is that the source of

thought on the one hand and of the breath and vital forces on the

other is one and the same. In other words, the vital forces of the

breath, the physical body and even the mind are all no more than the

forms of prana or energy. Therefore, if any one of them are

effectively controlled, then the other is automatically brought

partially under control. Yoga aims at influencing the Manolaya

(substance of the mind) by means of pranalaya (substance of the

breath and vital forces)which is brought about by the practice of

pranayama (breath control)." Ramana Maharshi.

Kundaliniyoga, "bokojoo" <bokojoo wrote:

>

> hello rising people

>

> thanks for such a positive response...i know now for sure..that

finally

> ill b able to burry the hachet..and free my mind...

>

> now the shrink thing is not happening...since i would like to heal

from

> within not from outside..

>

> i just need to know....where to start..which what are the

basics..what

> books i can find...

>

> is vipasana meditation of any help...

>

> now there is one very strange fact that i know about myself and

just

> like any other thing no one else but me can experiance and feel

it..

> some years back i got hurt as a child while playing..and it is my

spine

> im talking about.which healed on its own..few years later...i would

> feel..terrible pain in my back bone just below my neck...parents

thought

> its spondalitis (or how ever u spell it) x rays and doctors

couldnt find

> anything...but s till today..i feel...rigidness and a subtle pain

in one

> perticular part of my backbone...and it hurts (consider some one

has

> driven a nail through ur backbone)

>

> now my question is it some kind of energy block?

>

> rise and shine with love

>

> mithun

>

February 1, 2006

Mithuna

Vipassana meditation is VERY helpful!!! The Kundalini

Yoga is an amazing catalyst, but to really deal with

your issues, you need to have a dedicated meditation

practice. While KY meditations are amazing, I have

found that since starting a practice of vipassana

meditation along with my KY, I have really been

peeling back the layers of ego and old emotional

wounds. I recommend a 10-day retreat, they have them

all over the world and they're donation-only.

www.dhamma.org.

good luck

and love

Ardas Singh

February 2, 2006

Sat Nam David,

WOW! what a sad perspective...& I suppose that if you

feel that way then that is certainly what you're going

to get.

as with anything...some teachers may feel that

way...but it has been my experience that the teachers

I know are more concerned about the students...&

sharing the teachings...

especially in Kundalini Yoga...I say this because our

classes do not fill up like a Hatha class would, in

fact Yogi Bhajan addressed this many times by saying

that "for every 10 students that come thru your door,

1 will stay"...& has encouraged us by making a point

to say that in the beginning there were times when he

stayed & taught a class even when no one showed up,

(as to hold the healing space)...we are humbled right

from the very beginning, smiles & yes i can tell you

that I am certainly not in it for the money, for me

its a calling & there are times when 12-16 students

come to a class & times when only 2-3 students show up

in another & I feel very blessed to have the

opportunity to share these teachings with them...& I

know that there are alot of others that feel the

same...

we are asked not to have our yoga teachings be a means

of making a living...then we don't have the pressure &

can simply enjoy being in the space & sharing...its

more about planting the seeds, watching them

grow,caring for the garden & enjoying...

in loving kindness Jiwan Shakti Kaur

--- David <kishor1 wrote:

> I think the hoplessness has emerged because the

> teachers are really more concerned about the money,

> then they really truly are concerned about you.

> it's

> all about money now, not about love, regardless of

> what they say

>

February 6, 2006

Sat Nam,

In my opinion KY is good for everyone , we just have to see how much is good

for our body to begin and take it one step at a time.

Sending courage and patience your way. All's well that ends well.

Chanting "Ong Namo Guru deva namo" is very helpful when you loose hope.

You can let go of all these by trying to focus on your breathe. It takes time

but you can get there and one day your mind will not want to part from breathe

as it is very healing and calming both for body and mind.. just observing the

breathe..

Whenever bad thoughts come "just observe and tell yourself that this is the

last time it is coming" or nulllify it by taking Guru's name.

lastly, surround yourself by love, light and peace. Watch it Work. There is no

looking back.

Love, light and peace.

Akkama

bokojoo <bokojoo wrote: