sharing KY experiences/being in Mind

[Guest guest]

SAT NAM,

From the past three weeks, I feel there has been a good deal of shift in my

consciousness.

Feeling a lot of energy and tend to talk more about KY with my friends often.

like "Being in the moment", "Enjoying/allowing the pain" etc etc.. not sure

whether this is correct or not..

 

I usually jott down the experiences felt as a result of KY. Some of the them

are so overwhelming that I cant avoid sharing them with friends. After sharing

with them I feel I shouldnt have shared them as they can mean different to

others, But if I dont share then I feel I am not acting from heart. WHat should

I do?

Should we share our experiences or not? If we dont then does it not leave an

incomplete feeling inside of us?

 

I also find that I tend to be in my mind most of the non-meditative times and

get caught up with mind games. How I can enhance peace in me , I am looking for

a comfort space in me

which will keep me there irrespective of what is going on in life.

Please advice.

 

Thank you a lot as always,

Akkama

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Sat Nam,

 

Will you explain what meditation techniques you practised. How long?

Just for my curiosity.

 

Regards,

 

K Kumaran

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Akkama:

 

 

 

When you talk to people about your Kundalini yoga experiences what is your

purpose?

 

Are you trying to interest them in Kundalini yoga?

 

Are you excited about sharing with them that there is more to life than what

the mind knows?

 

 

 

You are a teacher now. Try to come from the perspective of a teacher. Be

aware of your purpose and be up front about it.

 

 

 

When you realize you are in your mind, be curious about the rest of your

body, and you may want to start a practice of giving up burdens, negativity,

thoughts to God. And simply experience the moment.

 

 

 

Blessings,

 

Awtar S.

 

Rochester, NY

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Akkama,

 

You wrote:

 

"How I can enhance peace in me , I am looking for a

comfort space in me

which will keep me there irrespective of what is

going on in life.

Please advice."

 

The peace that you are looking for is the goal you

could say, of the whole spiritual path. To constantly

abide in that place of unconditional Love and Peace

where you are the observer of the events all around

you and do not become the effect of the circumstances

around you.

 

Which ever practice/path you choose, it is practice,

practice and practice that will get you to where you

want to go. I find that I explore different techniques

(spiritual practices)as I go, adding some, keeping

others.

 

There are times when the intensity of your Yoga,

mantra and meditation will change as well.

[Guest guest]

Dear Akkama:

 

 

 

Of course, Guru is teaching trough you. What I am asking you to consider is

that when you have people in front of you and you let Guru show up, you are

being a teacher. And with accepting that role comes a responsibility. Yogi

Bhajan called it the teacher's oath:

 

"I am not a Woman

 

I am not a Man

 

I am not a Person

 

I am not Myself

 

I am a Teacher"

 

 

 

With taking on the role of a teacher we talk from that place that is no

longer about self, no longer from a human perspective, no longer from a need

or greed perspective. Do you see?

 

 

 

So what I am inviting you to consider is that you can let Guru guide you all

day long and be the teacher all day long. In doing so you watch what you say

and what you don't say. I cannot tell you what to say and what not to say.

You have to feel it. The only thing I can say is that, if you are not being

direct, if you are seducing, if you are pretending. . . Your words will lose

power. (And I am not saying you are doing any of those things, but there is

a huge audience and I am speaking to everyone listening, right?)

 

 

 

The exercise you did is valuable in that you know better why you speak to

others about your experiences the way that you do. It is not about

attracting attention to you. It is mainly about opening their minds to

something that goes beyond most people's daily experience. Now after

speaking that way, ask them a question: Does this kind of experience

interest you? Or something of the sort in your own words. Something so you

get direct feedback from them whether they are ready to explore this with

you or not. If not, you know not to put more energy into it right away. You

need to let it grow inside. Do you see what I mean? And it's up to you what

you do. It's just that sometimes we get so excited about what we know or

what we experienced that we forget to stop talking so they can either

receive it, reject it, or not understand it. That's their free will and, I

believe that, we need to respect that. If they don't understand it they may

ask you questions and the door is open.

 

 

 

For the peace quest you are on, I second what Stacee said: that's your

journey. You now know what it feels like, so be receptive to that

experience, welcome it patiently.

 

 

 

Blessings,

 

Awtar S.

 

Rochester, NY

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Akkama,

 

I had originally posted this last part with my

response, but the first response was sent back to me.

 

Anyway, here is the last part of the response:

 

As you continue to go deeply within yourself and

connect with your Sat Nam/ Higher Self, you will know

what to do.

[Guest guest]

Sat Nam Akaama,

 

I have sometimes experienced a similar feeling after discussing KY

experiences. It is as if by verbalising the energietic experience the

energy is diminished by the boundary placed on the experience by my

words. However, this does not seem to occur when I write or draw the

experiences after they happen. Have you tried expressing your

experiences in a non-verbal way just for yourself? It has helped me a

lot (it took some discipline as I am an extrovert!) & now I can return

to & add to them time & time again. I find language quite limited when

it comes to the infinite. There is a v good book about this

called 'Mystical Languages of Unsaying' by Micahel Sells.

 

In love & light,

Gurubala

Sydney, Australia

>

[Guest guest]

Akkama! I am very sorry for spelling your name incorrectly in my

previous reply. I am a bit off the planet today after doing a workshop

with Shakta Kaur last night

 

In love & light,

Gurubala

>

[Guest guest]

If I may, I'd like to most respectfully add something to Awtar's

excellent response. (Taking into considerationt that this is a general

discussion and not directed at one person in particular.) We don't

teach by preaching...we teach by example. When we preach we are merely

trying to impose our beliefs upon others, we are trying to control

them and get them to conform to what we think is right and best for

them (something we cannot know since we are not them!). This is

intrusive, coersive and treads heavily upon another's free will. When

we lead (or teach) by example we allow others to see the benefits of

our practices in our own lives and come to them freely, willingly, and

with open hearts and minds. If we would like to be respected we must

respect the integrity and free will of others...what comes around goes

around It is natural to want to share our good experiences -

however sharing is a two way street which involves both giving and

receiving. We must be as open to receiving from the other as we are in

giving for it to be an honest and equal exchange that respects the

free will and integrity of each individual that completes the circle

of sharing. Our teaching is in our being, there is no need to preach

when we are an example of peace and joy

blessings

ovasoul

[Guest guest]

---

) We don't

> teach by preaching...we teach by example.

 

I agree with this, and want to add as example:

 

There is a woman I know who is a Sufi. She is such a beautiful human

being, that I want to always be in her presence and 'have what she

has'. Because of knowing her, I have thought, I would like to know

about Sufism and experience it just to know.

 

Today I saw a poster from someone else regarding Sufi dance that she

is presenting, and knowing this person, and not finding her presence

so particularly uplifting, I feel no inclination to go.

 

I feel such benefits from Kundalini that every time I start again, I

want to 'tell the world'. I always think, so and so could benefit from

this. And I'm sure they could. And I do share it with my friends who

indicate interest. But I also have a temptation to 'preach'. So I

appreciate this advice.

 

sat nam,

kartar kaur

[Guest guest]

Sat Nam,

one of the greatest life's lessons that I have learned

is that we should not always disregard something that

someone is sharing just because we may not be drawn to

"that" person...or we may not particularly "like" that

person, or we may not find that person

uplifting...because its the teachings or in the

sharing that we are interested in...& often if we

choose not to participate we could miss something

really rewarding, fun, powerful etc...

& if we allow ourselves to be in a neutral place &

go with an open mind often we will find that we can

learn, experience & enjoy alot...

& who knows you may even see the ohter person in

another light,smiles

& if not that's OK too...

 

I would like to share with you the experience of

something that changed my view on this...

years ago,when I was studying I had a

doctor who I was apprenticing under, I did not care

for this man's HUGE ego, he often had a tone to where

he would talk down to others & even made people cry...

my first instinct was to approach this man & tell him

what I thought, and at times even felt like I wanted

to quit I became so angry..."but"... I knew that the

opportunity that I had been given to learn from this

man was important enough that if I quit I would not

get the teachings that I felt I wanted/needed...

for even though I felt these negative emotions towards

him, he was really good at what he did...

so I chose to stay & I did learn alot, after studying

with him for 4 years I learned much more than the

medicine, I learned that I don't have to agree with or

even like someone to have a wonderful learning

experience, it taught me alot about tolerance,

acceptance & the neutral mind...it is what it is...

so a thought about you not wanting to go to this

sufi dance because "you don't find this persons

presence uplifting"...doesn't mean that you can't go &

have the most wonderful of experiences...

just a thought...smiles

in loving kindness Jiwan Shakti Kaur

 

 

 

 

--- rasheedaas <rasheedaas wrote:

 

> There is a woman I know who is a Sufi. She is such a

> beautiful human

> being, that I want to always be in her presence and

> 'have what she

> has'. Because of knowing her, I have thought, I

> would like to know

> about Sufism and experience it just to know.

>

> Today I saw a poster from someone else regarding

> Sufi dance that she

> is presenting, and knowing this person, and not

> finding her presence

> so particularly uplifting, I feel no inclination to

> go.

> sat nam,

> kartar kaur

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Wolfsister harmony,

indeed this is true. With this story you reinforce the idea that

learning requires receptivity. So, if we seek to teach do we not need

to cultivate a way of being that invites receptivity in others, or at

the very least allows for a state of receptivity in the person we wish

to share with?

 

kartaur kaur illustrates in her story how a teacher is more attractive

when they lead by example, when they themselves exhibit and inhabit

the space of peace and love that they preach about. Ultimately if

someone has not learned through experience and does not embody a

teaching they may be able to recite words to (or at) you but they will

not be able to speak deeply from their own experience and an integral

understanding of the meaning of the words. Isn't it simpler and more

pleasurable to read a book in this case?

 

In your story you relate how you had to cultivate receptivity within

yourself - despite internal opposition - in order to learn from the

person you found unattractive. You understood that it was worth

overcoming your aversion to this person's personality to be able to

obtain the knowledge that he held. However, if this person was more

humble would not it have brought a level of joy to the learning that

was not present due to his egocentricity? There is a difference

between facts/information and wisdom. Facts are external and can stand

on their own, they are of the mind and the intellect. Wisdom is based

upon experience and as such is internal and transmitted more

thoroughly through interpersonal contact (though a very good writer

can achieve this interpersonal contact via the written word, just as

an artist can express wisdom in their art Wisdom is of the soul and

the heart, the intellect may be able to understand the idea behind the

wisdom but it cannot experience or embody it

blessings

ovasoul

[Guest guest]

SAT NAM,

Thanks a lot to everybody for sharing your insight on this. It was of great

help.

I will keep you posted on new major experiences and share with you just to feel

part of it.

KY is overwhelming sometimes, just the thought shimmers me with many feelings.

I feel so grateful.

Thanks

Akkama

 

 

 

 

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