Guest guest Posted December 7, 2000 Report Share Posted December 7, 2000 friends, i recently noted on this group that some people are sai baba devotees. i find this surprising as i thought it was well known throughout the world by now that sai baba is a sad--even evil--fraud. similar to rajneesh. i include 5 links on the web regarding sai baba exposes. there are also entire TV shows and indian and foreign newspaper and magazine articles dedicated to the exposes. the evidence is irrefutable, and include photos of fraud, as well (related to his sleight-of-hand tricks). there are additional photos, not in the links below, that were printed on the front pages of some indian newspapers, exposing his sleight-of-hand tricks. http://psg.com/~ted/bcskeptics/sbmir/contents.html http://www.npi-news.dk/page152.htm http://www.nhne.com/specialreports/srsaibaba.html http://www.saibabaguru.com/index.htm http://www.myfreeoffice.com/saibabaexposed/ this is not news. serious, documented allegations of wrong doing have been surfacing for 25 years, and thus my surprise to find there are still naive hangers-on. even among the western seekers when i started my journey in 1977, it was common knownledge he was a phony. i think it shows the power of wishful thinking, the willingness to give up discrimination, and self-delusion that people still cling to false hopes about this cretin. given that sai baba is a homosexual pedophile, and his inner circle implicated in at least 2 murders, it is not appropriate to sit around quietly. he is not merely a deluded or phony guru making a comfortable living by fooling disciples, as is so common in india and abroad. he is worse, and has harmed many people, usually young boys. the truth must be exposed. an attitude of "don't criticize other gurus or say negative things" is the most dangerous kind of nonsense. this world is not a heaven; it is full of deluded or evil charlatans; they must be exposed and we must stand up to bullshit and evil. whenever a so-called guru displays so-called magic, makes grandiose claims about themselves, claims to be the reincarnation of another guru (sai baba of shirdi) where that true guru's true enlightened disciples refute this, and there are a steady stream of ex-disciples claiming sexual abuse, it should be incredibly obvious that we are dealing with a phony of the first order. a real guru will exhibit the kinds of qualities one finds in Amma: humility, no overt claims about herself, no magic or siddhis, celibate, tireless selfless attitude, etc. i urge people to run, not walk, away from the pathetic man called sai baba, deeply investigate the allegations, inform others of the data, and never throughout their lives be silent about warning others of phony gurus. spiritual life is too important to screw up by association with such fools. i hope Amma (for whom i have the greatest respect) has not been endorsing sai baba. if so, she needs to be told the evidence about this man, and warned. -craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2000 Report Share Posted December 7, 2000 I agree with you 100%. When I was in India at Amma's ashram about four years ago Amma told certain devotees who were also devotees of Sai Baba that she was their spiritual mother and that Sai Baba was their spiritual father and that it was okay to love them both. I don't know if she still says this. The thing I find most miraculous about Amma is her loving heart. I think that the miracles attributed to her, like her turning into Lord Krishna for example, are told only to inspire. So many people looking for spirituality give up their intellect and power. I think that these parts of human beings along with our souls, spirts, and emotions, and our physical bodies are all parts our divinity. It is dangerous, childish, and irresponsible to caste away common sense.In my opinion, when a person does this they are as good as a brainwashed member of a cult. Barrie On 7 Dec 00, at 22:23, clarman wrote: friends, i recently noted on this group that some people are sai baba devotees. i find this surprising as i thought it was well known throughout the world by now that sai baba is a sad--even evil--fraud. similar to rajneesh. i include 5 links on the web regarding sai baba exposes. there are also entire TV shows and indian and foreign newspaper and magazine articles dedicated to the exposes. the evidence is irrefutable, and include photos of fraud, as well (related to his sleight-of-hand tricks). there are additional photos, not in the links below, that were printed on the front pages of some indian newspapers, exposing his sleight-of-hand tricks. http://psg.com/~ted/bcskeptics/sbmir/contents.html http://www.npi-news.dk/page152.htm http://www.nhne.com/specialreports/srsaibaba.html http://www.saibabaguru.com/index.htm http://www.myfreeoffice.com/saibabaexposed/ this is not news. serious, documented allegations of wrong doing have been surfacing for 25 years, and thus my surprise to find there are still naive hangers-on. even among the western seekers when i started my journey in 1977, it was common knownledge he was a phony. i think it shows the power of wishful thinking, the willingness to give up discrimination, and self-delusion that people still cling to false hopes about this cretin. given that sai baba is a homosexual pedophile, and his inner circle implicated in at least 2 murders, it is not appropriate to sit around quietly. he is not merely a deluded or phony guru making a comfortable living by fooling disciples, as is so common in india and abroad. he is worse, and has harmed many people, usually young boys. the truth must be exposed. an attitude of "don't criticize other gurus or say negative things" is the most dangerous kind of nonsense. this world is not a heaven; it is full of deluded or evil charlatans; they must be exposed and we must stand up to bullshit and evil. whenever a so-called guru displays so-called magic, makes grandiose claims about themselves, claims to be the reincarnation of another guru (sai baba of shirdi) where that true guru's true enlightened disciples refute this, and there are a steady stream of ex-disciples claiming sexual abuse, it should be incredibly obvious that we are dealing with a phony of the first order. a real guru will exhibit the kinds of qualities one finds in Amma: humility, no overt claims about herself, no magic or siddhis, celibate, tireless selfless attitude, etc. i urge people to run, not walk, away from the pathetic man called sai baba, deeply investigate the allegations, inform others of the data, and never throughout their lives be silent about warning others of phony gurus. spiritual life is too important to screw up by association with such fools. i hope Amma (for whom i have the greatest respect) has not been endorsing sai baba. if so, she needs to be told the evidence about this man, and warned. -craig Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Ammachi- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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