Guest guest Posted April 5, 2001 Report Share Posted April 5, 2001 Maharishi defines anger as the result of frustrated desire. In his commentary on III, 37 of the Gita, he says, "When the flow of a particular desire is obstructed by another flow, energy is produced at the point of collision, and this flares up as anger, which disturbs, confuses and destroys the harmony and smooth flow of the desire. Thus confusion is created in the manifested field of Reality, and the purpose of manifestation, which is the expansion of happiness, is marred; the very purpose of creation is thwarted. The Gita verse reads: The Blessed Lord said: It is desire, it is anger, born of rajo-guna, all-consuming and most evil. Know this to be the enemy here on earth. If anyone's interested, I'll transcribe more of his commentary on anger. -- In a message dated 4/5/01 4:46:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ammaskenna writes: < << Indeed! Anger is the energy to right what is unjust. Anger has been > discouraged in women for centuries. There is a place for it. Jai Kali Ma! > > premarupa > >>> > I used to think like this and then during one darshan out ot the blue Amma > told me directly to let go of my anger. > > The spiritual path is such a paradox. > > Namaste > Malati I got this perspective from Sufi Master Pir Vilayat years ago. He taught that anger is the natural response to perceived injustice. It is energy to right the perceived wrong. (He didn't actually mention "perceived"--that's my addition after a few years of studying and learning. Of course, now it is easier for this child to see that the ego can easily see something as unfair and get very carried away with anger to make it just, when God's justice might be beyond understanding.) Anyway, he said that anger that does not get expressed and gets trapped in the being turns into rage and that is very destructive. And that is what I was referring to. Expressions of anger by women are discouraged. The liver stores anger. Unreleased anger can eat us up and cause cancer, etc. So yes, "letting go of anger" in appropriate ways, especially with Amma's help, is divine. Om Amriteshvaryai Namah. premarupa In order to make nonviolence, which is a physical expression of compassion, a reality, we must first work on internal disarmament and then proceed to work on external disarmament. His Holiness the Dalai Lama. Namaste malati Sponsor Paid Net2phone Advertisement - Click Here! <http://rd./M=180521.1330684.2943114.2/D=egroupmail/S=1700075991:N/ A=610492/*http://www.net2phone.com/cgi-bin/adforward.cgi?p_key=WC6916EF&url= /jump/campaign> Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Ammachi Terms of Service <> . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2001 Report Share Posted April 6, 2001 Dear Rick and Malati, Your offerings on anger are welcome and inspiring.The desire angle makes sense. How about Amma's anger? And how about the social justice issues? This is what I have struggled with. I know His Holiness prays for the Chinese. That is inspiring. He also has headed up a big movement on behalf of Tibet. That's what I mean by moving the energy in response to injustice. There are many example of Amma doing this too. By western astrology I have Mars in libra, as did Lincoln, Gandhi and Martin Luther King. I can't help but want to respond when I see humans treating other humans unfairly. This started when I was 6 and witnessed other children being cruel to my sister with Downs Syndrome. Doing it without ego, avoiding the whole western hero thing requires spiritual practice. Devotion to Amma leaves room for her solutions, which are way beyond this child's imagination, and surrendering to her means getting with her solutions (and, hopefully, avoiding assassination! ) Thanks for the inspiration. Any other thoughts out there on this anger thread? Aum Amriteshavaryai Namah. premarupa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2001 Report Share Posted April 6, 2001 :-) Hello Beloveds, to me the reason anger arises is because we desire the return to Love & don't know how to get there. I know that the ego is pretty confused about what love is, yet I see it now as an expression of the Oneness .. so I am beginning to be able to view it not only with compassion but with an awareness that it is part of the Holy Lila. Maybe you don't agree with me. That's ok. I know if we are unaware of our source & unity then 'just ego', feels pretty rotten. I believe we can heal it's yearnings for oneness through love & devotion & compassion & surrender. Then we merge as a wave into the Ocean of Love. Anger appears because one does not know one is already Loved & is confused also about how to love. Sometimes I don't believe we can love from the ego for it will be conditional, so unreal. Can we 'do' love? Or is it spontaneous if we rest as unconditional essence? Thanks for sharing about your sister premarupa. Rick Archer wrote: > Maharishi defines anger as the result of frustrated desire. In his > commentary on III, 37 of the Gita, he says, "When the flow of a > particular > desire is obstructed by another flow, energy is produced at the point > of > collision, and this flares up as anger, which disturbs, confuses and > destroys the harmony and smooth flow of the desire. Thus confusion is > created in the manifested field of Reality, and the purpose of > manifestation, which is the expansion of happiness, is marred; the > very > purpose of creation is thwarted. Hi Rick. It seems to me that the underlying purpose of desire is to unity (or love as love is unifying). > The Gita verse reads: > > The Blessed Lord said: > It is desire, it is anger, born of > rajo-guna, all-consuming and most evil. > Know this to be the enemy here on earth. > > If anyone's interested, I'll transcribe more of his commentary on > anger. > -- > > In a message dated 4/5/01 4:46:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > ammaskenna writes: > > < << Indeed! Anger is the energy to right what is unjust. Anger has > been > > discouraged in women for centuries. There is a place for it. Jai > Kali Ma! > > > > premarupa I must admit I relate to this too as a woman because sometimes people tend to dominate others. Anger in that case can be balancing it seems to me. I think there can be righteous anger that seeks to unify & speak out against separation. > > I used to think like this and then during one darshan out ot the > blue Amma > > told me directly to let go of my anger. > > > > The spiritual path is such a paradox. > > > > Namaste > > Malati > > I got this perspective from Sufi Master Pir Vilayat years ago. He > taught > that anger is the natural response to perceived injustice. It is > energy to > right the perceived wrong. (He didn't actually mention > "perceived"--that's > my addition after a few years of studying and learning. Of course, now > it is > easier for this child to see that the ego can easily see something as > unfair > and get very carried away with anger to make it just, when God's > justice > might be beyond understanding.) Anyway, he said that anger that does > not get > expressed and gets trapped in the being turns into rage and that is > very > destructive. And that is what I was referring to. Expressions of anger > by > women are discouraged. The liver stores anger. Unreleased anger can > eat us > up and cause cancer, etc. So yes, "letting go of anger" in appropriate > ways, > especially with Amma's help, is divine. > > Om Amriteshvaryai Namah. > > premarupa > > > In order to make nonviolence, which is a physical expression of > compassion, > a reality, we must first work on internal disarmament and then proceed > to > work on external disarmament. His Holiness the Dalai Lama. Love that term internal disarmament! Namaste Beloveds! Col Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2001 Report Share Posted April 6, 2001 Please do post the rest of the commentary on anger, Rick. Also please indicate the chapter in the Gita, I would love to go over it again. I think, in response to another posting, Amma's anger is different from ours. I think she dons it (like a good parent does on occasion) when it seems as though a dense child won't "get it any other way". I don't think She identifies with her anger, anymore than she does with any other earthly emotion. My mother just told me that she saw Amma angry with her disciples in Calcutta several years ago; when, on the thin excuse of posting some letters or something, a bunch of them took off for a sightseeing jaunt around town. Amma practically exploded out of her room when the errant brahmacharis got back, and gave them a tongue-lashing the likes of which sent my mother (who was helping out with setting up and immensely grateful that she was not one of the recipients!) scurrying out of the way till Amma was done and had abruptly shut herself up in her room again. I think Amma did that because she is tougher on her brahamachari/nis than she is on anybody else, since they are going through the "PhD" course toward Realization. As someone else pointed out, since we are ego-bound creatures, there is no absolute "rightness" to our perceptions of injustice, especially if it applies to personal experience. Christ and Amma's perceptions are absolute, while those of common people and their institutions are relative. Thus the difference between divine anger (isn't Devi often portrayed in her warlike form?), and mortal anger. I do think, though, that the Dharma that each of us lives by can code action and behaviour as right or wrong, appropriate or inappropriate, upon which perception we feel bound to act or feel. I guess the real challenge is doing any action (even expressing anger) without attachment, and also having the moral courage to act (at all) on perceived injustice, and to act with compassion even toward the perpetrator. By the way, I mean it when I say that it takes courage to act. It's all very well being angry if a person is fired unjustly from your place of work, but will one have the courage to express disapproval to the boss and risk one's own job? A tall order... I for one, cannot imagine being compassionate toward someone who seriously hurt my child, for instance! It is the mind that must be changed, and the behaviour which is an outward expression of the mind, will follow. Hence mind-control through japa/meditation. Om Shanti, Shanti, Shanti... Usha In a message dated 4/6/01 4:18:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Ammachi writes: << The Gita verse reads: The Blessed Lord said: It is desire, it is anger, born of rajo-guna, all-consuming and most evil. Know this to be the enemy here on earth. If anyone's interested, I'll transcribe more of his commentary on anger. -- >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2001 Report Share Posted April 6, 2001 The Gita verse was III, 37. I'll post more, maybe tonight. Regarding gurus getting angry, in light of the "blocked desire" explanation for anger: The guru is cosmic intelligence incarnate; God in human form. It is the desire of cosmic intelligence that everything evolve. If the disciple, who has submitted himself to the guru, behaves in ways contrary to the force of evolution (God's/Guru's will), then the "desire" of God/guru (the cosmic force of evolution) is blocked, and that collision of desire with opposing force results in anger, in this case "cosmic" anger. It's not individual, egocentric anger based on need and weakness and lack. It's the grace of God helping to rid the individual of impediments to his enlightenment. That's my take on why Amma, Maharishi, and other gurus "get" angry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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