Guest guest Posted December 20, 2001 Report Share Posted December 20, 2001 Usha - Thank you! I believe also that Amma teaches us to focus on our own spiritual growth, not on evaluating others', or evaluating whether they're worthy of such titles. I have plenty to work on without worrying about that! Blessings, Achintya - DJUM Ammachi Thursday, December 20, 2001 8:38 AM Re: To swami or not to swami! Om Namah Shivaya, I have been skimming the posts lately, since much seems to be about Satya Sai Baba-related dilemmas, and something about Swami Dayamrita... Actually, I don't even know who Br. Dayamrita is...I'm sure I would if pointed out....However, I've noticed the swami question swirling, and here's my 2 cents... BTW, for those who wonder..I am one of those non-resident Indians, albeit one who grew up in India in a spiritually-inclined Malayali family,... One of my grandmothers was a bona fide, card-carrying sannyasini...yes, new name, ochre robes, initiation by a fully-realized Sadguru AFTER appropriate period of years of Brahmacharya, gave away all property and left, lived all the rest of her life in a very austere, ascetic ashram, no running water, no electricity, no phone, no contact with outside world (for those who think Amritapuri is a bare-bones ashram..it is four-star compared to what she lived in from age 72 to 91)... Do I think that qualifies me to speak on this issue more authoritatively? Not anymore than it gives me a share in her 'tapas', viz. none. So much for my credentials, ha, ha... ) Don't mean to be flippant, but this discussion by someone of the strict correctness of the word 'swami' and how it must be applied reminds me of the ritual-bound Indian Brahmin caste, who at various times had strangleholds on the Vedantic interpretation of religion...and interpreted the mores MOST correctly, and look where it got them in the path of Self-Realization... Life is more fluid than a set of rules, and if a religion doesn't adapt, then it will self-destruct and destroy those that follow it. The reason Hinduism is still viable is not because of the Vedas and the scholars maintaining its 'purity', but because it has been constantly refurbished through the ages...Amma's doing some work on it now! An Adi Shankaracharya comes along only so rarely (combining extreme scholasticism and self-illumination, and he broke quite a few Brahminic rules, by the way), meanwhile a million nit-picking Vedantic scholars come and go. If one focuses on the mores and rituals, one does well enough, but stays at that level. It's the local, and Amma is the express... Amma is an extraordinary path to self illumination...she's beyond swami, bramachari, and the Vedas too. She observes the forms for the sake of her followers...she doesn't care for herself. She is not a sannyasini,...that's why she doesn't wear ochre and she doesn't ordain other sannyasis, not because she can't but she chooses to observe Vedic norm...but sannyasis follow her as a Guru. So where is the heirarchy here? As someone said (Bala, I think) we may respect the "swamis" as current examples of surrender. Or not, if that is your choice. We need not review and approve the spiritual progress of those in Amma's service, but our own. They may rise, and rise higher, or fall...what good is the anticipation or evaluation of their state of grace do us? Their success or failure will not accomplish ours. We are not required to follow them, touch their feet, feed their egos, become their friends, etc... One doesn't need candles to light the path when the sun is shining. Let them do what they are told to as best they might, and I will try to do the same. I fail every single day to do some or a lot of what I should be doing, ...usually I am not meditating even as serenely as the guy next to me in the darshan hall,... That's the beauty of this effort and this constant reaching we are doing...each of us have a karmic fingerprint more individual than our DNA type...and yet we are trying to get to the same thing...Amma and those like her are the only absolute standards...the Sadgurus...measuring by other standards will be incorrect and limiting, no matter what title they attain. Forgive me if anything I said was not to your liking. Om Namah Shivaya... Usha Sponsor Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Ammachi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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