evil influences/disturbances

[Guest guest]

Ekanath,

 

If it's still creating a "reaction" in you,

that strongly suggests karma. It's planetary

influences that cause others to act toward

you and you towards them the way it happens.

 

 

> I do short shiva and durga puja followed

> by devi kavacham and hanuman chalisa pretty

> much daily. Of course my bowing to Amma and

 

I'm assuming you're getting good concentration

during your short pujas and contemplating the

meaning of the armor slokas. In my own experience

pujas only had noticable and blissful effects when

I was able to hold the 'imagining' that every

part of the puja was real, not a ritual. Even

a simple 5-step puja with good concentration was

better than multi-step pujas of just reading through

the process. And mere chanting of kavach slokas had

no real effect. Recently, I had started to read the

English version of the Armor of the 16 Nityas I've

already referred to, but I edited the script to

include translations of the names given, and reading

it twice a day as it suggested and contemplating

the "armoring" action as I read it, has

definitely stabilized my peace.

 

It's possible that the SSB folks harrassing you

are not doing it intentionally, but as a reflection

of their personality . I've had all kinds

of experiences, where a former psychic/teacher of mine

always seemed like a presence in the back of my mind,

like a cloud, and at some places I went could even

smell his unique cologne (a mix of essential oils)

and others could smell it too. Later, when I left

his tutelage, seeing how manipulative he was, and

how he was using his "spying" to steal ideas from me,

eventually the cloud lifted. In other cases, I've

stood right next to people who will all of a

sudden turn around and give me a dirty look and

walk away, usually someone who at that time, I've already

felt their mental presence within mine, which

is caused by something I've already mentioned:

in using "intuition", your chitta spreads out

around you, making you less-centered and more

sensitive to things that shouldn't even be

an issue. Back when I dated, I also encountered

at least 2 instances, of meeting women who had

the personality of a "tease", or at least the

strong "subtle" desire to be noticed, to cause

the very strong feeling of someone literally

trying to push their way into my heart.

Thoughts and feelings of the girl would suddenly

come out of nowhere, and when I tried to resist,

asking "Why am I having the feeling

of being in love?", I could actually feel as if

someone was pressing their hand on my chest.

If I gave-in to the feeling, I was overwhelmed

by a feeling of love for the person, but it

wasn't real love, but a gush of emotion, leading

to suffering of both people. The incidents

with both these young women were identical in

the sudden onslaught of feelings for them

for no real reason, and being a "tease" was

definitely a common trait as I later found out.

 

For about a month starting with Navaratri, because of

my own problems with my bosses at work, I had been

focusing on Durga sadhana, reading the English

translation of the Devi Mahaatmyam (Chandi Paath)

whenever I could, or at least on the most auspicious

days, and doing a vedic Durga mantra, not the tantric

version, focusing on Her fierce and mighty aspects.

Because my problems were so severe at work, and

had been a long time brewing, despite my

efforts of acceptance and rightful action, I focused

on "destroying" the people at work that had continued

to harass me. This decision was made because my

job involves heavy equipment and traffic control,

and along with putting the public safety at risk,

my boss had harassed my less-intellegent co-workers

for years, abusing his power blatantly and repeatedly.

To do this, I focused on a Kalika mantra, seeing

my boss's head being held by Her. Amazingly, this

had an effect I later read somewhere on the internet,

about fate: "When a man's destruction is near, his

fate makes him act irrationally, which only quickens

his demise". The effect helped, because it brought

out the reserved bad habits of my boss, making himself

look even more incompetent. I also visualized a

large ring of spitting fire (sudarshana chakra) at

my workplace, destroying evil influences there, and

sometimes visualized a small sudarshana discus

cutting off my boss's head (ego). The result,

after appealing to higher and higher administrators,

resulted in bringing to light enough issues to

put my boss in his place, and he's acted professional

ever since then. But, he still issued me a written

disciplinary notice that I'm appealing, and know that

I'll be cleared of.

 

I don't recommend taking such actions, unless you've

done everything else, and there's good reason for it.

In my case, my boss's personal approach to his job

was clearly illegal and abusive, had been going on a

long time, and did affect public safety (I work for

a public works dept). I also prayed constantly that

I be forgiven if I was doing the wrong thing, but I see

it as killing in self-defense, or other justified

action, something you don't want to do, but may have to.

Amma even said that killing for a Universal Cause

would not be a sin. Ironically, it was pure

discrimination that was my saving grace. Even though

my boss had the "home-court advantage", having

20+ years experience versus my 4, by reading

through the policies I was able to discriminate,

very much like a lawyer, and developed adequate

countermeasures to my boss's moves.

 

If you're interested in Sudarshan stuff, just

to try out (a local temple did a Maha Sudarshan

homa for the earthquake victims back then),

here's a link for the text of a stotra,

and another link for a good audio recording.

http://www.ramanuja.org/sv/acharyas/desika/stotras/sudarsana.html

http://www.prapatti.com/slokas/mp3.html

For me, I tried doing sadhana to Hanuman

a few years ago to no result, but I guess it's

different for everyone. I've also been using

various planetary mantras during severe occassions

which have helped greatly, since I have a really

bad chart.

 

Sorry for the long-winded post, if anyone actually

reads this far.

 

Tom

[Guest guest]

Om Amriteshwariye Namah,

 

To me right from beginning pooja was an act of Love towards God -

that's why I followed minimal rituals - just like time I asked

Swamiji for the deep meaning of Amma's names. Since last year I had

been trying follow the meaning and many times I would get frustrated

and I would just chant AMMA AMMA AMMA or Om Amriteshwariye Namah 108

times - that was always my practise. I always followed the meaning of

rituals, names of the gods, acts, ... WE BOTH DIFFER LOT!

 

What you described to me I would NOT even think in MY dreams or

towards my any enemy (if I had one).

 

I contemplated many times since I was 14-15 years old and my

conclusion was that only LOVE is the GOD, everything else is just

manifestation of it. Of course we all follow Law of Karma .... I have

witnessed it at physical levels as well as at subtle levels. Although

I won lottery as well as slot machines but I played either very very

rarely. I have been to a Casino only 2-3 times in my whole life, I

would not even check the result of lottery for many many weeks. But

there was a time when I used to speculate the drawing of next lotto

number (one of six numbers) on TV, my guess about next number used to

be 75% times correct - I always faith in theory of Karma, so my

prayers were always for Devotion and Peace..... Most of westerners

have weird ideas about asian cultures but some of them trry it very

hard also.

 

We are so much different - there were hardly 20% similar things

(early in your email) you talked about - but rest was like a clip on

QuickTime.

 

BASED ON WHAT I READ YOU HAVE LONG LONG WAY TO GO AND LOT LOTS TO

LEARN FROM AMMA & SCRIPTURES! When Amma will really Hold you in Her

ARMS 24 Hours a day for long time and when you are in that Bliss for

long long long time - you would know the kind of LOVE I have

experienced with Amma!

 

**********

JUST REMEMBER, everyone comes to see Amma and they get what their

eternal soul needs / deserves! You jump and Amma will be there only

if you use your descrimination and AIM correctly.

**********

 

May Amma Be You also.

 

Satyam Shivam Sundaram

=== That Love alone is the Truth ===

 

:ekanath

 

PS:

RECENTLY ONE OF THE NUN FROM H.H. DALAI LAMA'S GROUP SUGGESTED ME

THAT SIMPLE BOWING / PROSTRATIONS OFFERED WITH REVERENCE ARE ENOUGH

AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO FACE ANY THING ANY OBJECT AT ALL - JUST FACE

YOUR INNER SELF ---- this is so true and reminded me of lots of

thoughts i went thru during my contemplations in my teenage years.

 

Ammachi, "tomgull" <tomgull@m...> wrote:

> Ekanath,

>

> If it's still creating a "reaction" in you,

> that strongly suggests karma. It's planetary

> influences that cause others to act toward

> you and you towards them the way it happens.

>

>

> > I do short shiva and durga puja followed

> > by devi kavacham and hanuman chalisa pretty

> > much daily. Of course my bowing to Amma and

>

> I'm assuming you're getting good concentration

> during your short pujas and contemplating the

> meaning of the armor slokas. In my own experience

> pujas only had noticable and blissful effects when

> I was able to hold the 'imagining' that every

> part of the puja was real, not a ritual. Even

> a simple 5-step puja with good concentration was

> better than multi-step pujas of just reading through

> the process. And mere chanting of kavach slokas had

> no real effect. Recently, I had started to read the

> English version of the Armor of the 16 Nityas I've

> already referred to, but I edited the script to

> include translations of the names given, and reading

> it twice a day as it suggested and contemplating

> the "armoring" action as I read it, has

> definitely stabilized my peace.

>

> It's possible that the SSB folks harrassing you

> are not doing it intentionally, but as a reflection

> of their personality . I've had all kinds

> of experiences, where a former psychic/teacher of mine

> always seemed like a presence in the back of my mind,

> like a cloud, and at some places I went could even

> smell his unique cologne (a mix of essential oils)

> and others could smell it too. Later, when I left

> his tutelage, seeing how manipulative he was, and

> how he was using his "spying" to steal ideas from me,

> eventually the cloud lifted. In other cases, I've

> stood right next to people who will all of a

> sudden turn around and give me a dirty look and

> walk away, usually someone who at that time, I've already

> felt their mental presence within mine, which

> is caused by something I've already mentioned:

> in using "intuition", your chitta spreads out

> around you, making you less-centered and more

> sensitive to things that shouldn't even be

> an issue. Back when I dated, I also encountered

> at least 2 instances, of meeting women who had

> the personality of a "tease", or at least the

> strong "subtle" desire to be noticed, to cause

> the very strong feeling of someone literally

> trying to push their way into my heart.

> Thoughts and feelings of the girl would suddenly

> come out of nowhere, and when I tried to resist,

> asking "Why am I having the feeling

> of being in love?", I could actually feel as if

> someone was pressing their hand on my chest.

> If I gave-in to the feeling, I was overwhelmed

> by a feeling of love for the person, but it

> wasn't real love, but a gush of emotion, leading

> to suffering of both people. The incidents

> with both these young women were identical in

> the sudden onslaught of feelings for them

> for no real reason, and being a "tease" was

> definitely a common trait as I later found out.

>

> For about a month starting with Navaratri, because of

> my own problems with my bosses at work, I had been

> focusing on Durga sadhana, reading the English

> translation of the Devi Mahaatmyam (Chandi Paath)

> whenever I could, or at least on the most auspicious

> days, and doing a vedic Durga mantra, not the tantric

> version, focusing on Her fierce and mighty aspects.

> Because my problems were so severe at work, and

> had been a long time brewing, despite my

> efforts of acceptance and rightful action, I focused

> on "destroying" the people at work that had continued

> to harass me. This decision was made because my

> job involves heavy equipment and traffic control,

> and along with putting the public safety at risk,

> my boss had harassed my less-intellegent co-workers

> for years, abusing his power blatantly and repeatedly.

> To do this, I focused on a Kalika mantra, seeing

> my boss's head being held by Her. Amazingly, this

> had an effect I later read somewhere on the internet,

> about fate: "When a man's destruction is near, his

> fate makes him act irrationally, which only quickens

> his demise". The effect helped, because it brought

> out the reserved bad habits of my boss, making himself

> look even more incompetent. I also visualized a

> large ring of spitting fire (sudarshana chakra) at

> my workplace, destroying evil influences there, and

> sometimes visualized a small sudarshana discus

> cutting off my boss's head (ego). The result,

> after appealing to higher and higher administrators,

> resulted in bringing to light enough issues to

> put my boss in his place, and he's acted professional

> ever since then. But, he still issued me a written

> disciplinary notice that I'm appealing, and know that

> I'll be cleared of.

>

> I don't recommend taking such actions, unless you've

> done everything else, and there's good reason for it.

> In my case, my boss's personal approach to his job

> was clearly illegal and abusive, had been going on a

> long time, and did affect public safety (I work for

> a public works dept). I also prayed constantly that

> I be forgiven if I was doing the wrong thing, but I see

> it as killing in self-defense, or other justified

> action, something you don't want to do, but may have to.

> Amma even said that killing for a Universal Cause

> would not be a sin. Ironically, it was pure

> discrimination that was my saving grace. Even though

> my boss had the "home-court advantage", having

> 20+ years experience versus my 4, by reading

> through the policies I was able to discriminate,

> very much like a lawyer, and developed adequate

> countermeasures to my boss's moves.

>

> If you're interested in Sudarshan stuff, just

> to try out (a local temple did a Maha Sudarshan

> homa for the earthquake victims back then),

> here's a link for the text of a stotra,

> and another link for a good audio recording.

> http://www.ramanuja.org/sv/acharyas/desika/stotras/sudarsana.html

> http://www.prapatti.com/slokas/mp3.html

> For me, I tried doing sadhana to Hanuman

> a few years ago to no result, but I guess it's

> different for everyone. I've also been using

> various planetary mantras during severe occassions

> which have helped greatly, since I have a really

> bad chart.

>

> Sorry for the long-winded post, if anyone actually

> reads this far.

>

> Tom

[Guest guest]

Hey all,

 

Just want to suggest something that's been helpful to me to deal w/ negative

energy-- I use a lot of flower essences. Yarrow is good for protection from

negative energy, but there's plenty of others.

For more info, try http://www.essences.com/.

[Guest guest]

> I always followed the meaning of rituals, names

> of the gods,acts, ... WE BOTH DIFFER LOT!

 

I only made my comments about that because many

times it IS necessary to just go through the

motions until you've memorized the process.

It's hard to contemplate the process effectively

when you've completely new to something.

 

> What you described to me I would NOT even think

> in MY dreams or towards my any enemy (if I had one).

 

That's due to your inexperience and lack of

understanding of Dharma. In your case, it's

obvious that the SSB people, although they

may be bothering others beside you, mostly

affect you in an emotional way,

which is why I said I didn't recommend it

to you. In my case, had I continued to

just "accept" things and ignore my Dharma,

it would put others at risk of being seriously

harmed or killed, due to uncorrected situations

where I work. The uncorrected situation

also caused undue stress to those who

actually came to work to do a good job,

allowing those who were harassing others

and not doing their share, to succeed.

Many times it's standing by and not

doing anything that allows suffering

to continue for others. Another example of

something you'd disapprove of, is that

the local unofficial SSB center that closed

may have been due to "my curse" for it

to close, "if it didn't stop spreading

ignorance". A year after that curse,

the owners of the house decided to

close the center due to poor attendance,

which had been going on before I made

my curse.

 

> conclusion was that only LOVE is the GOD,

> everything else is just manifestation of it.

 

Keep your limited views, just never complain

about not being able to maintain your peace.

 

The other examples I gave, were to show others

the wide range of experiences a person can

have that are not necessarily due to "attacks"

by others, while some may be. From my own

experience, it's only those who devote their

time to enhancing "intuition" and "guidance"

that run into the most trouble.

 

A friend of mine recently told me about going

through new troubles at work, being falsely accused

of wrong-doing, and now he suffers from the

same sleepless nights that I did a month ago.

There's a difference between "understanding"

something from hearing it, and "understanding"

it because you've experienced it.

 

As for the length of my posts, I try to be

"complete" in what I say, to encourage

the principle of "purna" in myself. Just like

being truthful will bring you to the Truth,

doing everything "fully" will undoubtably

bring you to "full" Realization.

Tom

[Guest guest]

om amriteshwariye namah

 

my thinking is if something bothers me i just stay away but it

persists for long, sooner than later i may react. so i try to control

and ignore it. but eventually i like to get advice or have discussion

with the source of the disturbance or the guru of the source of the

trouble.

 

somehow in amma's presence i always thought of Gandhi (wasn't

quiet aware of it) and love as the representation of the god - those

were good enough to show me light.

 

there is a story: one saint gave "a lantern" to a blind man when

he was ready to leave the hut. blind man asked the saint why do i

need lantern when i cann't see anyway. upon hearing that child-like

innocent question, saint replied back "i know you have trust in me,

but this light is for others so they can see thru you and you won't

get hurt either!"

 

thanks for sharing your experiences and insights - trust me i feel

lot better because i used to feel i'm suffering most but noops - you

have gone thru lot more. somehow my anger lasts for very short time

but i try to keep in mind (unfortunately i have to) of my

surroundings, experiences and people so that i don't run into same

situations again - a child like devotee would always forget the

mischievous acts of others very soon and continue to be as good as

possible in all circumstances!

 

i did learn from you also... my best wishes for you.

 

May Amma Shower Love on everyone...

 

:ekanath

 

PS:

So far in my whole life I haven't done much of Tantra as such except

following:

1. Tara Pooja (performed by Tibettan Budhist monks in direct

connection with HH Dalai Lama).

2. 10-12 shlokas from Durga Saptashati P43, namely Ratri Suktam :

that also during day time : I have heard same at many places, at many

different times.

 

What I read from emails appeared to be scary and more ...

 

NO THANKS - I BELIEVE IN GOD - AMMA = That's more than enough for me!

 

 

Ammachi, "tomgull" <tomgull@m...> wrote:

> > I always followed the meaning of rituals, names

> > of the gods,acts, ... WE BOTH DIFFER LOT!

>

> I only made my comments about that because many

> times it IS necessary to just go through the

> motions until you've memorized the process.

> It's hard to contemplate the process effectively

> when you've completely new to something.

>

> > What you described to me I would NOT even think

> > in MY dreams or towards my any enemy (if I had one).

>

> That's due to your inexperience and lack of

> understanding of Dharma. In your case, it's

> obvious that the SSB people, although they

> may be bothering others beside you, mostly

> affect you in an emotional way,

> which is why I said I didn't recommend it

> to you. In my case, had I continued to

> just "accept" things and ignore my Dharma,

> it would put others at risk of being seriously

> harmed or killed, due to uncorrected situations

> where I work. The uncorrected situation

> also caused undue stress to those who

> actually came to work to do a good job,

> allowing those who were harassing others

> and not doing their share, to succeed.

> Many times it's standing by and not

> doing anything that allows suffering

> to continue for others. Another example of

> something you'd disapprove of, is that

> the local unofficial SSB center that closed

> may have been due to "my curse" for it

> to close, "if it didn't stop spreading

> ignorance". A year after that curse,

> the owners of the house decided to

> close the center due to poor attendance,

> which had been going on before I made

> my curse.

>

> > conclusion was that only LOVE is the GOD,

> > everything else is just manifestation of it.

>

> Keep your limited views, just never complain

> about not being able to maintain your peace.

>

> The other examples I gave, were to show others

> the wide range of experiences a person can

> have that are not necessarily due to "attacks"

> by others, while some may be. From my own

> experience, it's only those who devote their

> time to enhancing "intuition" and "guidance"

> that run into the most trouble.

>

> A friend of mine recently told me about going

> through new troubles at work, being falsely accused

> of wrong-doing, and now he suffers from the

> same sleepless nights that I did a month ago.

> There's a difference between "understanding"

> something from hearing it, and "understanding"

> it because you've experienced it.

>

> As for the length of my posts, I try to be

> "complete" in what I say, to encourage

> the principle of "purna" in myself. Just like

> being truthful will bring you to the Truth,

> doing everything "fully" will undoubtably

> bring you to "full" Realization.

> Tom