Guest guest Posted January 19, 2002 Report Share Posted January 19, 2002 Ammachi, Ellen Lamb <jyotsna2> wrote: > Yes, I understand your question perfectly. > Personally, after 6 years as an Amma devotee I've > had to revert to attending a group that DOES > support meditation. Singing bhajans is simply not > enough for me. > > Jyotsna > > --- sprose1@a... wrote: > > In a message dated 1/19/02 3:44:34 AM Eastern > > Standard Time, > > No real support for > > one's meditation is given. This seems to bother > > only a few though. > > > > Om Amrtesvaryai Namah! Namaste darling sisters and brothers!!! i have been reading this little thread referring to Mother's guidance....with some disbelief...and some empathy...and some "how do you not see?" darling sisters and brothers....Mother is giving us guidance every single moment of the day...with EVERY thing that is happening to us...we have only to pay attention as she has requested so often... Shraddha, children....we must have more shraddha... Mother's guidance is easily enough sought....it can easily take the form of ongoing prayer, or writing Her a letter...(email or hard copy)...and then either sending it or putting it on the altar...and burning it after prayers.. we are looking for quick fixes...and a dedicated phone line to GOD...but we are looking, darling children, in ALL the wrong places!!! we are looking outside....and the magical phone line is INSIDE...Mother Herself has stated this so often...that we must FIRST have faith in OUR OWN SELVES...and NOT in an External GURU, or GOD...because we all have within our own selves that very same Devi, which has manifested openly as Amma....we too, have Lord Siva sitting in meditation, and Lord Krsna playing His Flute....all the Devas and Devis are WITHIN US!!! and US alone... so when we are looking for guidance from Mother, and we KNOW that She is Avatara of the Divine Mother...the Adi Para Sakti...Maha Laksmi, Maha Kali...Maha Maya, how can we question that she is giving guidance to us always??? we whould rather question as to why WE are unable to receive or UNDERSTAND Mother's constant and ongoing teachings.... Mother is not answering our questions necessarily with Her OWN loving words...sometimes they are the loving words of our darling child...or our beloved spouse...or our annoyed boss...or......or it can be even seen, dear ones in the way that Nature Herself is moving...and the events that transpire as we might take a walk to work...all of these, dear Ones are Only Amma's teachings to us DAILY...only WE are currently unable to discern this...and foolishly think that we must ask Her in person for Her teachings...and that She must answer in Person for us individually....Mother's teachings are available to the reader thru Her books...thru Her videos, thru Her songs...thru Her everyday commitment to Her darling children...what more guidance do you NEED?????? MOTHER'S life ITSELF is ALL the guidance that ANYONE should need...She doesn't even need to speak...HER ACTIONS SPEAK....EVERY SINGLE BREATH that Mother is taking is ONLY for Her children...this is guidance for us also...it is a teaching for US how to live in dedication to our sisters and brothers...what MORE teachings do we NEED????? As Amma has said so often, dear ones....if we expect to sit with closed eyes and meditate and achieve liberation thru this alone, we are sadly deceiving ourselves...because the issue is what we DO....daily, hourly, minutely...what we DO with our coworkers, our families and so one..HOW DO WE BEHAVE DAILY ...are we a message of Divine LOVE>>>>>>> or are we just another downer to add to the downers of the world.... how do we need Mother's verbal guidance in this??? All the great Masters have said the same thing that we are in essence nothing but SATCHITANANDA....Being (Truth) Consciousness BLISS...and if we are listening to our OWN SELVES...in the depths of our hearts...following as best we can in our Mother's footsteps, why then can we not give Her a little room in the questioning line department??? Do we REALLY need to ask Her all these trivial questions about our lives...our jobs...our relationships and so on???Mother's guidance is ALWAYS with us..only we have to tune into it...then we will SPONTANEOUSLY RECEIVE and UNDERSTAND that we ARE receiving Mother's ongoing guidance...right now She is giving...but we are not tuned to the right station...so all we are getting is static.. we have to tune our "radio" ourselves...if by meditation, then by meditation...but as Amma has also said..Bhajans first...then meditation...it is NOT that we are supposed ONLY to sing Bhajans...it is only that the Bhajans are an AID to concentration...cause the world around us is so noisy that it is difficult for beginners to concentrate on God, when the traffic is roaring by outside....the sirens of the police cars...the ambulances...etc...so Mother Knowing how difficult it is to jump RIGHT into meditation...has prescribed in Her kindness a medicine which will help us to concentrate better...that medicine is called "Bhajan"...but when the medicine has done its work...we can move forward...to concentration and meditation...this is a NATURAL progression...which one notices quite quickly when one sings for Amma...in the satsangs or alone... it is a natural feeling to want to sit peacefully silent, blissfully tasting the nectar of Amma's DIVINE presence within one's own self, after singing the Divine Names of our Mother....it is also natural to want to sit in a blissful silence enjoying Her Presence which is so Intoxicating after the Bhajans.... and it is truly fine also if you can blissfully sink into that silence and joy, without having to sing the Names or Bhajans...but that may be difficult for many....and i would seriously advise AGAINST giving that kind of advice...Most will merely writhe around in their own fantasies and so on...distracted by every sound...even the breaths of their neighbours...it is too much to ask...and so we have been prescribed with those medicines...Bhajan....and the Names of Devi...and THEN meditation... it is up to us, as to whether we will RECEIVE Mother's well known guidance in this department or not...and if we will not follow Her advice in even the simplest sadhanas.....then who are we, to expect Her to give us verbal advice in Darshan...She knows we won't listen anyways!!! So to say that Mother is not giving us guidance daily is really to betray one's innocence of WHAT Mother is about here....She has been coming to America for SO MANY YEARS now...and how many realise that REALLY She has NEVER arrived, NOR departed America...because She was ALWAYS here...and yet we are complaining about how hard it is between the summer showers of Her visits... Perhaps we need to think about Mother's purposes Here...just as Swamini Krishnamrita Prana a long time ago in the Matruvani wrote, Mother's comings and Her goings are all equally Her gifts to us....When She is coming, we are all so happy...and when She is going...so sad...and yet in Her going is one of Her greatest gifts...because HOW CAN WE MISS HER IF SHE DOESN"T LEAVE....(for those of us who identify solely with the OUTER Amma)...thus She HAS to leave...just as Lord Krsna HAD to leave Brindavan...so that the Gopis could mature in their Prema Bhakti to Him,....so Mother offers us the gift of Her absence...so that we may go within to find Her REAL PRESENCE which just as She always promises, is "always with us"....and when we find Her Presence WITHIN us...then a part of Amma's work is done...and we will thank Her for Her goings just as much as for Her comings...because each is a great gift to Her Darling Children... Each step Mother takes...each action She makes...every breath She breathes...every word She utters...every Glance of Love, and Sympathetic Smile is a guidance to each and every ONE of us, Her children as to how to LIVE ourselves....we do not need Her to literally TELL us this in words...She IS telling us by HER VERY LIFE ITSELF!!! Thus darling sisters and brothers...instead of complaining that Amma is giving no guidance, i would implore you with all the love in my heart...to LOOK WITHIN...and see what Amma has to say to you...and look carefully at what is happening in your everyday life...to see what Amma has to say to you...She is speaking with every word that anyone says...every action that anyone makes...the entire Creation is Nothing but Amma's Teachings and Her Beautiful Graceful Leela to those who can Look and see this....and if all that be too difficult, merely regard our Amma Herself...and therein one may easily see JUST HOW TO LIVE...with compassion and Divine Love. and darling ones...if even THIS gutter lying child of Amma's can learn to see and feel this...then what is the problem with all the rest of you who have NOT been spending so much time in the gutters??? or are there special teachings courtesy of Lord Sani...IN the gutters?? if so, may all experience the grace of the gutters!!! (just kidding!) but i DO see Mother's ESSENTIAL teachings as having MUCH more to do with ACTION....Compassion in Action, Seva, the "fragrance" of the gold of meditation.....and that Meditation practice is more to support that...than a goal in itself...in reality, are we not supposed to be in meditation throughout the day, during our everyday activities....other wise we may be PRACTISING it...but are we actually MEDITATING....it is NOT something that we DO...it is something that we ARE....and it should be manifesting throughout all our everyday activities, and NOT just on the meditation cushion...it is a HOLISTIC kind of approach rather than the usual western "dice it up and examine it" kind of approach...the WHOLE of one's life must be in tune with this...not just a sunday bhajan kind of thing...when we are ready to dedicate ourselves in this way to the Divine Mother, then we will see and hear Her guidance all the time, and we will feel Her Love for us too...in the way the whole universe is dancing...in the beautiful Nature...in the Loving smiles of our children... In OUR Amma's Divine LOVE and in Her humble Service, as ever, your own self, silly me... visvanathan Om Amrtesvaryai Namah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2002 Report Share Posted January 21, 2002 Dear Visvanathan, What a truly beautiful reply, and what great understanding! Thank you for taking the time to remind us all that our lives are our sadhana--our Teacher,our personalized lesson plan, and our homework. How amazing it would be to always be totally surrendered to the grace present in every moment of my life, and to act from the highest understanding I can muster of what it means to 'Let go and let God'. If I can give my whole heart to That which exists in everything in my life, then there would be nothing left for me to desire, nothing more for me to seek. It is already right here, perfect, whole and permeated completely with Divine Love. How lucky is that?!! Love, Pam > > > Namaste darling sisters and brothers!!! > > i have been reading this little thread referring to Mother's > guidance....with some disbelief...and some empathy...and some "how do > you not see?" > > darling sisters and brothers....Mother is giving us guidance every > single moment of the day...with EVERY thing that is happening to > us...we have only to pay attention as she has requested so often... > Shraddha, children....we must have more shraddha... > > Mother's guidance is easily enough sought....it can easily take the > form of ongoing prayer, or writing Her a letter...(email or hard > copy)...and then either sending it or putting it on the altar...and > burning it after prayers.. > > we are looking for quick fixes...and a dedicated phone line to > GOD...but we are looking, darling children, in ALL the wrong places!!! > we are looking outside....and the magical phone line is > INSIDE...Mother Herself has stated this so often...that we must FIRST > have faith in OUR OWN SELVES...and NOT in an External GURU, or > GOD...because we all have within our own selves that very same Devi, > which has manifested openly as Amma....we too, have Lord Siva sitting > in meditation, and Lord Krsna playing His Flute....all the Devas and > Devis are WITHIN US!!! and US alone... > > so when we are looking for guidance from Mother, and we KNOW that She > is Avatara of the Divine Mother...the Adi Para Sakti...Maha Laksmi, > Maha Kali...Maha Maya, how can we question that she is giving guidance > to us always??? we whould rather question as to why WE are unable to > receive or UNDERSTAND Mother's constant and ongoing teachings.... > > Mother is not answering our questions necessarily with Her OWN loving > words...sometimes they are the loving words of our darling child...or > our beloved spouse...or our annoyed boss...or......or it can be even > seen, dear ones in the way that Nature Herself is moving...and the > events that transpire as we might take a walk to work...all of these, > dear Ones are Only Amma's teachings to us DAILY...only WE are > currently unable to discern this...and foolishly think that we must > ask Her in person for Her teachings...and that She must answer in > Person for us individually....Mother's teachings are available to the > reader thru Her books...thru Her videos, thru Her songs...thru Her > everyday commitment to Her darling children...what more guidance do > you NEED?????? > > MOTHER'S life ITSELF is ALL the guidance that ANYONE should need...She > doesn't even need to speak...HER ACTIONS SPEAK....EVERY SINGLE BREATH > that Mother is taking is ONLY for Her children...this is guidance for > us also...it is a teaching for US how to live in dedication to our > sisters and brothers...what MORE teachings do we NEED????? > > As Amma has said so often, dear ones....if we expect to sit with > closed eyes and meditate and achieve liberation thru this alone, we > are sadly deceiving ourselves...because the issue is what we > DO....daily, hourly, minutely...what we DO with our coworkers, our > families and so one..HOW DO WE BEHAVE DAILY ...are we a message of > Divine LOVE>>>>>>> > > or are we just another downer to add to the downers of the world.... > > how do we need Mother's verbal guidance in this??? > > All the great Masters have said the same thing that we are in essence > nothing but SATCHITANANDA....Being (Truth) Consciousness BLISS...and > if we are listening to our OWN SELVES...in the depths of our > hearts...following as best we can in our Mother's footsteps, why then > can we not give Her a little room in the questioning line > department??? > > Do we REALLY need to ask Her all these trivial questions about our > lives...our jobs...our relationships and so on???Mother's guidance is > ALWAYS with us..only we have to tune into it...then we will > SPONTANEOUSLY RECEIVE and UNDERSTAND that we ARE receiving Mother's > ongoing guidance...right now She is giving...but we are not tuned to > the right station...so all we are getting is static.. > > we have to tune our "radio" ourselves...if by meditation, then by > meditation...but as Amma has also said..Bhajans first...then > meditation...it is NOT that we are supposed ONLY to sing Bhajans...it > is only that the Bhajans are an AID to concentration...cause the world > around us is so noisy that it is difficult for beginners to > concentrate on God, when the traffic is roaring by outside....the > sirens of the police cars...the ambulances...etc...so Mother Knowing > how difficult it is to jump RIGHT into meditation...has prescribed in > Her kindness a medicine which will help us to concentrate > better...that medicine is called "Bhajan"...but when the medicine has > done its work...we can move forward...to concentration and > meditation...this is a NATURAL progression...which one notices quite > quickly when one sings for Amma...in the satsangs or alone... > > it is a natural feeling to want to sit peacefully silent, blissfully > tasting the nectar of Amma's DIVINE presence within one's own self, > after singing the Divine Names of our Mother....it is also natural to > want to sit in a blissful silence enjoying Her Presence which is so > Intoxicating after the Bhajans.... > > and it is truly fine also if you can blissfully sink into that silence > and joy, without having to sing the Names or Bhajans...but that may be > difficult for many....and i would seriously advise AGAINST giving that > kind of advice...Most will merely writhe around in their own fantasies > and so on...distracted by every sound...even the breaths of their > neighbours...it is too much to ask...and so we have been prescribed > with those medicines...Bhajan....and the Names of Devi...and THEN > meditation... > > it is up to us, as to whether we will RECEIVE Mother's well known > guidance in this department or not...and if we will not follow Her > advice in even the simplest sadhanas.....then who are we, to expect > Her to give us verbal advice in Darshan...She knows we won't listen > anyways!!! > > So to say that Mother is not giving us guidance daily is really to > betray one's innocence of WHAT Mother is about here....She has been > coming to America for SO MANY YEARS now...and how many realise that > REALLY She has NEVER arrived, NOR departed America...because She was > ALWAYS here...and yet we are complaining about how hard it is between > the summer showers of Her visits... > > Perhaps we need to think about Mother's purposes Here...just as > Swamini Krishnamrita Prana a long time ago in the Matruvani wrote, > Mother's comings and Her goings are all equally Her gifts to > us....When She is coming, we are all so happy...and when She is > going...so sad...and yet in Her going is one of Her greatest > gifts...because HOW CAN WE MISS HER IF SHE DOESN"T LEAVE....(for those > of us who identify solely with the OUTER Amma)...thus She HAS to > leave...just as Lord Krsna HAD to leave Brindavan...so that the Gopis > could mature in their Prema Bhakti to Him,....so Mother offers us the > gift of Her absence...so that we may go within to find Her REAL > PRESENCE which just as She always promises, is "always with us"....and > when we find Her Presence WITHIN us...then a part of Amma's work is > done...and we will thank Her for Her goings just as much as for Her > comings...because each is a great gift to Her Darling Children... > > Each step Mother takes...each action She makes...every breath She > breathes...every word She utters...every Glance of Love, and > Sympathetic Smile is a guidance to each and every ONE of us, Her > children as to how to LIVE ourselves....we do not need Her to > literally TELL us this in words...She IS telling us by HER VERY LIFE > ITSELF!!! > > Thus darling sisters and brothers...instead of complaining that Amma > is giving no guidance, i would implore you with all the love in my > heart...to LOOK WITHIN...and see what Amma has to say to you...and > look carefully at what is happening in your everyday life...to see > what Amma has to say to you...She is speaking with every word that > anyone says...every action that anyone makes...the entire Creation is > Nothing but Amma's Teachings and Her Beautiful Graceful Leela to those > who can Look and see this....and if all that be too difficult, merely > regard our Amma Herself...and therein one may easily see JUST HOW TO > LIVE...with compassion and Divine Love. > > and darling ones...if even THIS gutter lying child of Amma's can learn > to see and feel this...then what is the problem with all the rest of > you who have NOT been spending so much time in the gutters??? > or are there special teachings courtesy of Lord Sani...IN the > gutters?? if so, may all experience the grace of the gutters!!! (just > kidding!) > > but i DO see Mother's ESSENTIAL teachings as having MUCH more to do > with ACTION....Compassion in Action, Seva, the "fragrance" of the gold > of meditation.....and that Meditation practice is more to support > that...than a goal in itself...in reality, are we not supposed to be > in meditation throughout the day, during our everyday > activities....other wise we may be PRACTISING it...but are we actually > MEDITATING....it is NOT something that we DO...it is something that we > ARE....and it should be manifesting throughout all our everyday > activities, and NOT just on the meditation cushion...it is a HOLISTIC > kind of approach rather than the usual western "dice it up and examine > it" kind of approach...the WHOLE of one's life must be in tune with > this...not just a sunday bhajan kind of thing...when we are ready to > dedicate ourselves in this way to the Divine Mother, then we will see > and hear Her guidance all the time, and we will feel Her Love for us > too...in the way the whole universe is dancing...in the beautiful > Nature...in the Loving smiles of our children... > > In OUR Amma's Divine LOVE > and in Her humble Service, > as ever, > your own self, > > silly me... > > visvanathan > > Om Amrtesvaryai Namah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2002 Report Share Posted January 23, 2002 Jai Visvanath: > we are looking for quick fixes...and a dedicated phone line to > GOD...but we are looking, darling children, in ALL the wrong places!!! > How most beautifully said, how very real. Thanks for your wonderful posting. It's a keeper! Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2002 Report Share Posted January 24, 2002 Namaste Sri Viswanathan! Thank you very much for your rather profoundly insightful mail. Truly like Lord Viswanatha at Kasi, you are an embodiment of wisdom. I did start looking at the whole world as being filled with the Divine Mother. And formerly in my dealings with other people, where the ego asserted to show my superiority, knowledge etc.., when I started looking at them as also part of Amma, a deep humility replaced it with some understanding and love. And most people have hidden fear however belligerantly they may claim otherwise, but what is there to fear when you are in the lap of the Divine Mother all the time. Nodoubt I am only making a beginning and have a long way to go but so far it has been good. Though I still feel that Amma must do something to give guidance in meditation for people who cannot go to Amritapuri. Again I want to express my gratitude, and look forward to more posts from you of a practical nature. Aum Namasivaya, Vijay Great stuff seeking new owners in Auctions! http://auctions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2002 Report Share Posted January 24, 2002 Namah shivaya There is a nice cassette of Guided Meditation given by Big Swamiji, that's very helpful also. You can listen, enjoy and practise at your leisure. just fyi: :dilip Ammachi, Yoga man <childofdevi> wrote: > Namaste Sri Viswanathan! > > Thank you very much for your rather profoundly > insightful mail. Truly like Lord Viswanatha at Kasi, > you are an embodiment of wisdom. > > I did start looking at the whole world as being filled > with the Divine Mother. And formerly in my dealings > with other people, where the ego asserted to show my > superiority, knowledge etc.., when I started looking > at them as also part of Amma, a deep humility replaced > it with some understanding and love. And most people > have hidden fear however belligerantly they may claim > otherwise, but what is there to fear when you are in > the lap of the Divine Mother all the time. Nodoubt I > am only making a beginning and have a long way to go > but so far it has been good. > > Though I still feel that Amma must do something to > give guidance in meditation for people who cannot go > to Amritapuri. > > Again I want to express my gratitude, and look forward > to more posts from you of a practical nature. > > Aum Namasivaya, > Vijay > > > > Great stuff seeking new owners in Auctions! > http://auctions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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