Guest guest Posted July 20, 2002 Report Share Posted July 20, 2002 In a message dated 7/19/02 9:25:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Ammachi writes: > In this child's experience the only relationship that is not ultimately a > trial by fire is the one portrayed at the end of romantic movies. > > Sometimes Amma directs her children to marry. At least one of them is on > our > list. > > Isn't Amma's saying that we can never count on another sibling the way we > can count on Her? > > At Her Feet, > kenna > Aum Amriteshvaryai Namah > > > I know we can not count on any one other than our Amma. over the years it has become pretty clear She favors the solo life over married life, on the whole. that is, if you CAN do it, be alone; if you can't then it's OK to marry. I don't know if people agree with me about this message, or not. Note also, She always is making jest of the married life; I think it goes beyond teaching us that it has its difficulties. She certainly does not preach getting married and having children as a primary, favored mode of spiritual life; I think we all can agree that she does not prescribe it as a path. I feel confident to go further to say She prefers we be alone, if we are able to do so. She never has said to get married, if we feel we are strong enough; but only the reverse She says. I just would like to know why She feels this way. I know relationships are difficult and ultimately not satifsying, but if two are dedicated to spiritual principles, one would think it could work, and maybe even be preferable to the solo life, in that it would force issues of intimacy, sharing, caring beyond our self. Yet, I have never heard much except jokes about married life from Amma, and I am disappointed in that. Avram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2002 Report Share Posted July 20, 2002 In a message dated 7/19/02 9:25:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Ammachi writes: > I also think that we depend upon each other more and > not so much on God as we did when we were single Dear Prasadini: I think that maybe this is the central reason Amma is concerned. that in relationship there is a tendency to want to be all to each other, if I can put it that way. I don't know if you are referring to marriage itself, or children, that makes sadhana more difficult. I would think that two devotees might make sadhana that much easier, in that there is someone there doing the same thing and thinking the same way. So, again I am unresolved as to why two cannot practice as well or better than one, really. the tendency to be the savior to each other, can be seen through and not engaged in, right? Avram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2002 Report Share Posted July 20, 2002 In a message dated 7/19/02 9:25:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Ammachi writes: > > I think I've quoted Amma on this before, but it's > worth repeating. In one of the books, Amma says > that a sadhak should only spend the first few years > in close contact with the guru, then should spend > time in solitude doing sadhana. Of course going > going for annual darshan would still be ok. > > Whether you're married or not, having "bubble-time" > (your own private bubble) as an ex-girlfriend used > to call it, is healthy regardless of the reason. > > Being alone also helps in the later stretches of > sadhana when you are doing it differently, sort > of like the final lap in a race when you don't > want any distractions. There are also times when > you'll become very sensitive to subtle vibrations > and being alone will be a great help, kind of like > when you have a migraine headache and are sensitive > to light and sound. > > > Dear Tomgull: Your post just underlines the lack of guidance on the issue of relations. You may find something here or there said in one of the books, under certain circumstances to certain people at a certain time,etc. I feel the issue just is not dealt with, only glancing remarks are made about it, I figure so as not to upset anybody by actually saying something definite on the subject. In one way the solitary life can be seen as a luxury. I am saddened that so little positive can be said for the couple life, other than it's ok or something lukewarm like that. I have never heard Her once say anything more positive about relationship, as a path to God. It's amazing to me that I am the only one raising this point, as it is rather obvious that it is of great significance to all Her children. Other than a few vague stabs at it, hither and thither, I see little guidance. I wonder if She can't generalize about it, and needs to respond to each one of us personally?Avram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2002 Report Share Posted July 20, 2002 The reason why a single life is reccomended for those who can take it up is probably found on the packet of Vibhuti (ashes) that Amma gives during Darshan. There's a symbol of the Mata Amritanadamayi Math which has a phrase in Sanskrit on top of it "Thyageneke Amritatvamaanashuh" which means "By renunciation alone can immortality be attained" It's probably tough to attain immortality when you're concerenrd about your spouse, you relationship, your mortgage, your dog and bills. Just my opinion - your interpretations may vary. Namashivaya, Girish On Sat, 20 Jul 2002 sprose1 wrote: > In a message dated 7/19/02 9:25:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > Ammachi writes: > > > > In this child's experience the only relationship that is not ultimately a > > trial by fire is the one portrayed at the end of romantic movies. > > > > Sometimes Amma directs her children to marry. At least one of them is on > > our > > list. > > > > Isn't Amma's saying that we can never count on another sibling the way we > > can count on Her? > > > > At Her Feet, > > kenna > > Aum Amriteshvaryai Namah > > > > > > > > I know we can not count on any one other than our Amma. over the years it > has become pretty clear She favors the solo life over married life, on the > whole. that is, if you CAN do it, be alone; if you can't then it's OK to > marry. I don't know if people agree with me about this message, or not. > Note also, She always is making jest of the married life; I think it goes > beyond teaching us that it has its difficulties. She certainly does not > preach getting married and having children as a primary, favored mode of > spiritual life; I think we all can agree that she does not prescribe it as a > path. I feel confident to go further to say She prefers we be alone, if we > are able to do so. She never has said to get married, if we feel we are > strong enough; but only the reverse She says. I just would like to know why > She feels this way. I know relationships are difficult and ultimately not > satifsying, but if two are dedicated to spiritual principles, one would think > it could work, and maybe even be preferable to the solo life, in that it > would force issues of intimacy, sharing, caring beyond our self. Yet, I have > never heard much except jokes about married life from Amma, and I am > disappointed in that. Avram > > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > Ammachi > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2002 Report Share Posted July 20, 2002 Dear Avram, It is a lot like Girish says, there is the dog, the mortgage, the jobs, etc., etc. Life becomes more complicated when you are married or in a relationship. It is easy to get sidetracked with a zillion things. Both my husband and I thought that we would support each other's sadhana, not distract each other. This weekend it is his mother and the taxes. When I was single there was nothing I HAD to do after work Now to do sadhana we have to make time and stick to it, and there is always something else we have to do. When my husband or I have to travel without the other, we BOTH do more sadhana. The situation is a weird thing and it frustrates both of us. Namah Shivaya Prasadini sprose1 wrote: > In a message dated 7/19/02 9:25:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > Ammachi writes: > > > > I also think that we depend upon each other more and > > not so much on God as we did when we were single > > Dear Prasadini: > > I think that maybe this is the central reason Amma is concerned. that > in > relationship there is a tendency to want to be all to each other, if I > can > put it that way. I don't know if you are referring to marriage > itself, or > children, that makes sadhana more difficult. I would think that two > devotees > might make sadhana that much easier, in that there is someone there > doing the > same thing and thinking the same way. So, again I am unresolved as > to why > two cannot practice as well or better than one, really. the tendency > to be > the savior to each other, can be seen through and not engaged in, > right? > Avram > > > > > > Sponsor > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > Ammachi > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2002 Report Share Posted July 21, 2002 > Because one can perform it > One¹s own dharma, though lesser in merit > Is better than the dharma of another. > Better is death in one¹s own dharma > The dharma of another brings danger. > > --Bhagavad Gita > I was in the TM movement for 30 years. For 15 of those years I was on the ³Purusha² program a monastic program. Some guys on that program took to it naturally. Some strained. I was a strainer. I finally left and married someone on whom I had had my attention (and she on me) for 11 years. She had been on the ladies¹ equivalent of Purusha (Mother Divine) all those years. It wasn¹t easy to leave Purusha and it wasn¹t easy to be married, although it¹s gotten easier over time. When you¹re single, if you don¹t have the close supervision of a Master, it¹s easy to become very self-centered and indulge in your idiosyncrasies. Being married is like having a Master. Not a perfect one, but nonetheless a mirror in which you see your imperfections more clearly (as long as you don¹t make the mistake of blaming your imperfections on your partner.) I think that it is the dharma of the vast majority of people to be married. And for them, as the Gita quote implies, it is the most evolutionary life. For the first couple of years of my marriage, I used to grumble about Purusha every time the going got rough. Finally, a dear friend of mine reminded me that it¹s a big universe, we¹ve been around a long time, God puts us where He wants us, and if he wants us somewhere else, He¹s perfectly capable of shifting our circumstances. So, he admonished me, live in the moment and learn the lessons your current life is trying to teach you. Otherwise you¹ll have to do it all over again. That advice helped me make a major shift in my ability to accept and take it as it comes. Now I¹ve met Mother, which would never have happened if I had somehow stayed on Purusha. This has been a tremendous blessing for my wife and I. Remember, every situation has evolutionary. Hell itself is very evolutionary for those who need to be there. Otherwise God wouldn¹t have allowed it to exist. Om Amriteshwarayai Namaha Rick > ganesh108 <ganesh108 > Ammachi > Sat, 20 Jul 2002 18:45:14 -0700 > Ammachi > Re: Digest Number 538 > > > Dear Avram, > > It is a lot like Girish says, there is the dog, the mortgage, the jobs, > etc., etc. Life becomes more complicated when you are married or in a > relationship. It is easy to get sidetracked with a zillion things. Both > my husband and I thought that we would support each other's sadhana, not > distract each other. This weekend it is his mother and the taxes. When I > was single there was nothing I HAD to do after work Now to do sadhana > we have to make time and stick to it, and there is always something else > we have to do. When my husband or I have to travel without the other, we > BOTH do more sadhana. The situation is a weird thing and it frustrates > both of us. > > Namah Shivaya > Prasadini > > > > > sprose1 wrote: > >> > In a message dated 7/19/02 9:25:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >> > Ammachi writes: >> > >> > >>> > > I also think that we depend upon each other more and >>> > > not so much on God as we did when we were single >> > >> > Dear Prasadini: >> > >> > I think that maybe this is the central reason Amma is concerned. that >> > in >> > relationship there is a tendency to want to be all to each other, if I >> > can >> > put it that way. I don't know if you are referring to marriage >> > itself, or >> > children, that makes sadhana more difficult. I would think that two >> > devotees >> > might make sadhana that much easier, in that there is someone there >> > doing the >> > same thing and thinking the same way. So, again I am unresolved as >> > to why >> > two cannot practice as well or better than one, really. the tendency >> > to be >> > the savior to each other, can be seen through and not engaged in, >> > right? >> > Avram >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Sponsor > > >> > >> > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! >> > >> > Ammachi >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > Ammachi > > > Terms of Service > <> . > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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