question about surrender vs neediness

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In a message dated 7/22/2002 9:32:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

april_fiord writes:

 

 

> <<Here is the dilemma that is coming up--

> Since cults are, by nature, great examples of

> co-dependent behavior (and that was the experience of

> having been involved in one ,not realizing , for

> years, what it was about and that it is, indeed , a

> cult) , how does one surrender to a guru such as

> Ammachi without falling into the _childish_ dependent

> mode ?>>

>

Well, isn't the secret to avoiding co-dependency having a life separate from

one's significant other (whether that's a lover, a guru, or an institution or

job) and not being caught up in their negative traits? Having never had a

close relationship with a guru, I really can't imagine it-- it would seem

like suffocation to me. But some people really seem to blossom under that

kind of close contact with a saint. Of course, I'm assuming they are a

saint. I suppose it's only really codependent if they are a psycho and you

can't walk away from the relationship. Great question, though. I always try

to realize that my friends and lovers are ghosts-- spirits in the material

world, and that way I accept their ephemeral nature. Unfortunately, gurus in

Eastern religions are usually quickly conflated by their disciples to the

status of Gods. That changes the nature of the relationship so dramatically

it becomes very difficult for me to relate to, hence my reticence. Sometimes

I wish I had just a good ole' pastor and could save the Divinity stuff for

that Cosmic Reality in the next dimension of life. --- Jai Ma-== Nick

 

 

 

 

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Hi,

Am new to Ammachi and new to this site. (Still have

my newbie sticker from the darshan line :-)

Only recently had the opportunity to be in Ammachi's

presence. Had just read a biography about her this

past May; found web-site and news of US tour and went

to a public 2 day event.

Went there with the hope of being healed of the

negative connection still partially in place because

of association with a 'guru' whom she had called,

"incomplete" , (when someone had shown her a photo of

him a couple of years ago) and she warned this person

with the photo of the karmic implications of being

involved with a guru who was, "incomplete" --that is

-- getting tied in with that 'guru's' karma...

 

She did completely free me of that last remaining link

that was still a problem -- energetically-- , even

with out my having to present the problem through the

question line. I am so very grateful for that blessed

healing...

And someone recently mentioned that Ammachi had talked

about people who had been involved previously with

'gurus' and that it was not easy for her to "get

through to them " ? Can't quite remember the quote.

 

Anyway, I hope it's ok to jump in here and bring up

another topic other than the current theme of family

etc...

Here is the dilemma that is coming up--

Since cults are, by nature, great examples of

co-dependent behavior (and that was the experience of

having been involved in one ,not realizing , for

years, what it was about and that it is, indeed , a

cult) , how does one surrender to a guru such as

Ammachi without falling into the _childish_ dependent

mode ?

 

Somehow, there must be a fine line that separates the

childish attitude of neediness from gratitude, love,

and appreciating the gift of the guru as one's guide.

 

Don't know if such a consideration has been discussed

before at this site.

I have some vague feeling that the grace of clarity

and understanding , in depth, the role of a genuine

guru is the key here but still I am swimming around in

murkiness...

Or maybe it's a heart matter --- but just heart

without understanding/discernment can get one in deep

trouble--from what I've experienced before.

 

Any feed back would be appreciated or any references

to previous posts.

Thanks , April M

 

 

 

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Namah Shivaya dear April.

Welcome to our list!

Amma teaches us to be childlike not childish. She is a master at forcing us

to grow up on the one hand, and to fall down on our knees on the other.

Sounds like she's taking good care of you.

There was a good discussion of cults on one of the lists some months ago.

Can anyone point April in the right direction there?

Aum Amriteshvaryai Namah