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Ok, this is a rant, but maybe I could do this just once more!

 

Congregational and ritualistic approaches to religion (with tons of rules,

rituals, and "are you on my team" approach) are annoying and yucky. And

responsible for the world's suffering through history....I agree with Aikya.

 

I think I encounter quite a bit of this at Amma's darshansn in the US and the

Rhode Island retreat. After 13 years of having Amma's darshan, this time I

asked to be stationed near her for seva, (instead of the usual dishwashing

and garbage seva), and got an officious enquiry "Have you done any lap seva

yet?" When I said no, there was an immediate "Well, you can't do it then,

you need to be trained." There were plenty of other sevas near her, and by

persevering, I did get nearer her...so it was a happy ending.

 

But this is what I observed from my closer seva position to Amma. Regular

people would be told where to sit on stage in line, etc. and anxious to

observe the rules, they would be quiet, revertential, and obedient to the

seva people's various instructions. But the "in" people would get in line

wherever they wanted, and smile and chat with the "tissue" people and other

seva folks, and generally behave as though it was the governor's tea party to

which they had a personal invite. Needless to say, 99% of the "in" people

who got the plum sevas and seemed to break the rules with impunity from the

organizers (for which non-"in" folks would have been herded by the

volunteers) were Americans (non-Indians).

 

I am Indian and Hindu, and I am not ritualistic or lapsed. I am a little

sick of the officiousness and the busy self-importance of many of these

people. Initially because of family inclinations and later, through my own,

I have been at the feet of great gurus and saints since before I can

remember. It doesn't matter how many times you have been there, and what you

know, all you must be when you with a guru, a teacher or a realized soul is

humble, reverent, obedient and above all, loving.

 

White or brown, Hindu or not, "in" or "out"-- this is a basic truth.

 

Amma is not a franchise.

 

Om Namah Shivaya,

Usha

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Usha,

 

I have seen this two. Especially this last time I went to see Amma with my

children. It was a totally different experiance for me that almost left me sad

and upset when I left but later I saw the lessons I needed to learn that just

happened to come out of that day's events. Amma works in strange ways.

 

We saw her in Andover and I thought there appeared to be many Indians that went

first which to me was a pleasant surprise. My first time seeing her in NYC I

didn't want to be before anyone that was Indian as my thinking was they should

see her first. I can't explain why maybe in my mind they are born into Hinduism

and I am trying to remember and relearn what I have forgotten from a past life.

That may not make sense.

 

I know Amma sees family and children and the sick first but we were sitting next

to a woman who was very elderly and I would have liked to see her go up sooner

than she did. And there was another woman who was ill that I felt should have

gone before many of the people that I saw and actually heard say that thier

flowers were wilting or their chocolate gifts were melting and they needed to go

now. Our chocolate melted beyond being able to give it to Amma (my kids were

heartbroken over it) and we still didn't ask for a privalage to go next or cut

the line. My two year old was losing it and having a hard time waiting (it took

us 4 hours to see her but I would have waited much much more to see her) and

still I saw people just walking up chit chatting and getting in line. There was

a woman next to me who made a comment about it but we both agreed we would get

our turn eventually.

 

It did make me wonder though what Amma thought about this.

 

Namaste,

 

Shelly

Mom to 5

CT

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I hope you get "trained" some time so that you can get your chance at

lap seva. I was offered the opportunity once and couldn't stay past

1 AM on a work night to do it. I learned in my visit to Rhode

Island, to persist and not take no for an answer regarding what I

needed. It was an interesting lesson in seeing through illusion for

me.

 

This thought is well expressed:

 

"I am Indian and Hindu, and I am not ritualistic or lapsed. I am a

little sick of the officiousness and the busy self-importance of many

of these people. Initially because of family inclinations and later,

through my own, I have been at the feet of great gurus and saints

since before I can remember. It doesn't matter how many times you

have been there, and what you know, all you must be when you with a

guru, a teacher or a realized soul is humble, reverent, obedient and

above all, loving.

 

White or brown, Hindu or not, "in" or "out"-- this is a basic truth.

 

Amma is not a franchise."

 

You have aptly told us how we can find the great one in a crowd, any

crowd. That person also is simple reverent, and loving. Perhaps we

can not be fooled or hurt by the self-importance of those who are not

quite as spiritually mature.

 

Aikya

 

"

 

Ammachi, DJUM@a... wrote:

> Ok, this is a rant, but maybe I could do this just once more!

>

> Congregational and ritualistic approaches to religion (with tons of

rules,

> rituals, and "are you on my team" approach) are annoying and

yucky. And

> responsible for the world's suffering through history....I agree

with Aikya.

>

> I think I encounter quite a bit of this at Amma's darshansn in the

US and the

> Rhode Island retreat. After 13 years of having Amma's darshan,

this time I

> asked to be stationed near her for seva, (instead of the usual

dishwashing

> and garbage seva), and got an officious enquiry "Have you done any

lap seva

> yet?" When I said no, there was an immediate "Well, you can't do

it then,

> you need to be trained." There were plenty of other sevas near

her, and by

> persevering, I did get nearer her...so it was a happy ending.

>

> But this is what I observed from my closer seva position to Amma.

Regular

> people would be told where to sit on stage in line, etc. and

anxious to

> observe the rules, they would be quiet, revertential, and obedient

to the

> seva people's various instructions. But the "in" people would get

in line

> wherever they wanted, and smile and chat with the "tissue" people

and other

> seva folks, and generally behave as though it was the governor's

tea party to

> which they had a personal invite. Needless to say, 99% of the "in"

people

> who got the plum sevas and seemed to break the rules with impunity

from the

> organizers (for which non-"in" folks would have been herded by the

> volunteers) were Americans (non-Indians).

>

> I am Indian and Hindu, and I am not ritualistic or lapsed. I am a

little

> sick of the officiousness and the busy self-importance of many of

these

> people. Initially because of family inclinations and later,

through my own,

> I have been at the feet of great gurus and saints since before I

can

> remember. It doesn't matter how many times you have been there,

and what you

> know, all you must be when you with a guru, a teacher or a realized

soul is

> humble, reverent, obedient and above all, loving.

>

> White or brown, Hindu or not, "in" or "out"-- this is a basic

truth.

>

> Amma is not a franchise.

>

> Om Namah Shivaya,

> Usha

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