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I don't know any TMers who consider Maharishi their guru; he never

presented himself in that way. Most people learn TM as a meditation

technique to experience all different kinds of benefits - reduction

of stress, improved health, energy etc. It's not really taught as

something 'spiritual'. You do not have to believe in TM to practice

it or adhere to any particular religion or philosophy.

 

However Maharishi does say he learned the TM techniques from his guru

and that they are based on knowledge from the Vedas. He also

discusses higher state of consciousness, using the term cosmic

consciousness for what others might call enlightenment, or the first

stage of enlightenment. Especially in the West, he has emphasized

physical, social and emotional benefits and many scientific studies

have been performed to demonstrate these benefits - like a reduction

in crime or in health care costs. Also in poorer countries TM costs a

lot less and is sometimes taught for free. When I learned it cost $35!

 

But there are also lectures he's given where he does talk a little

about spirituality.

 

Ammachi, Dianadevi@a... wrote:

 

For the TMers who follow Amma on this list, I wonder, who is the

Guru, Maharishi or Ammachi? I peaceably in the spirit of

understanding, request your feelings about this.

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Probably the vast majority who¹ve learned TM have done so for stress

release, etc., as you say, and don¹t consider Maharishi their guru. But many

of the tens of thousands who¹ve gotten more involved, trained as TM

teachers, etc., have considered or do consider Maharishi their guru. He has

reportedly said that¹s he¹s not a personal guru, and he certainly doesn¹t

act like one except for a small inner circle, but it¹s natural to have and

want a guru, so many consider him their guru even if he¹s not aware they

exist. Aren¹t there people who consider Yogananda their guru, even though he

died 45 years ago?

>

> "muyilusionada" <muyilusionada

>

> I don't know any TMers who consider Maharishi their guru; he never

> presented himself in that way. Most people learn TM as a meditation

> technique to experience all different kinds of benefits - reduction

> of stress, improved health, energy etc. It's not really taught as

> something 'spiritual'. You do not have to believe in TM to practice

> it or adhere to any particular religion or philosophy.

>

> However Maharishi does say he learned the TM techniques from his guru

> and that they are based on knowledge from the Vedas. He also

> discusses higher state of consciousness, using the term cosmic

> consciousness for what others might call enlightenment, or the first

> stage of enlightenment. Especially in the West, he has emphasized

> physical, social and emotional benefits and many scientific studies

> have been performed to demonstrate these benefits - like a reduction

> in crime or in health care costs. Also in poorer countries TM costs a

> lot less and is sometimes taught for free. When I learned it cost $35!

>

> But there are also lectures he's given where he does talk a little

> about spirituality.

>

> Ammachi, Dianadevi@a... wrote:

>

> For the TMers who follow Amma on this list, I wonder, who is the

> Guru, Maharishi or Ammachi? I peaceably in the spirit of

> understanding, request your feelings about this.

 

 

 

 

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Dear Rick,

Hi!

Well, as a long time SRFer (27 years before meeting

Amma) I have to respond to this. Technically

speaking, Yogananda entered mahasamadhi, rather

than "dying" 50 rather than 45 years ago. At the

end of his talk at the Biltmore Hotel he quoted

these concluding lines from his poem, "My India."

 

"Where Ganges, woods, Himalayan caves and men dream

God, I am hallowed; my body touced that sod."

 

The word sod became a long drawn-out sigh, he

turned slightly to the right, then sank slowly to

the floor, a beatific smile on his face. Quite an

exit. Like Christ (and like our own beloved Amma

will be some day) he remains an "ever-living" guru,

the body not here, but still all-pervading.

Okay, enough for that.

 

I was surprised that on two occasions you mentioned

that, in your experience, Amma devotees were nicer

than TMers. I had rather the opposite experience,

although there are many, many lovely Amma devotees.

I love the SRF devotees and still go there whenever

I can for the simple reason that it makes me feel

happy. Their hearts seem soft and gentle to me.

I think because SRF has been around a long time,

they have been able to instill a group consciousness

of kindness and love. At least that's how it is

in Seattle.

 

Now I consider Amma as my Guru, but She also told

me that She and Yogananda are One, and that

Yogananda led me to Her. The main

difference I see in having a "living" versus a

"non-living" guru is the horrendous blows to the

ego that Amma is so capable of delivering. (My

ego is still alive, unfortunatley, but definitely

reeling from some of the blows. I now see

surrender as the only way, and try to live by

Amma's words, "Be like a dead body floating

down the river of life." (not an exact quote.)

 

Peace to all,

Jyotsna

 

 

--- Rick Archer <rick wrote:

> Probably the vast majority who¹ve learned TM have

> done so for stress

> release, etc., as you say, and don¹t consider

> Maharishi their guru. But many

> of the tens of thousands who¹ve gotten more

> involved, trained as TM

> teachers, etc., have considered or do consider

> Maharishi their guru. He has

> reportedly said that¹s he¹s not a personal guru, and

> he certainly doesn¹t

> act like one except for a small inner circle, but

> it¹s natural to have and

> want a guru, so many consider him their guru even if

> he¹s not aware they

> exist. Aren¹t there people who consider Yogananda

> their guru, even though he

> died 45 years ago?

> >

> > "muyilusionada" <muyilusionada

> >

> > I don't know any TMers who consider Maharishi

> their guru; he never

> > presented himself in that way. Most people learn

> TM as a meditation

> > technique to experience all different kinds of

> benefits - reduction

> > of stress, improved health, energy etc. It's not

> really taught as

> > something 'spiritual'. You do not have to believe

> in TM to practice

> > it or adhere to any particular religion or

> philosophy.

> >

> > However Maharishi does say he learned the TM

> techniques from his guru

> > and that they are based on knowledge from the

> Vedas. He also

> > discusses higher state of consciousness, using the

> term cosmic

> > consciousness for what others might call

> enlightenment, or the first

> > stage of enlightenment. Especially in the West, he

> has emphasized

> > physical, social and emotional benefits and many

> scientific studies

> > have been performed to demonstrate these benefits

> - like a reduction

> > in crime or in health care costs. Also in poorer

> countries TM costs a

> > lot less and is sometimes taught for free. When I

> learned it cost $35!

> >

> > But there are also lectures he's given where he

> does talk a little

> > about spirituality.

> >

> > Ammachi, Dianadevi@a... wrote:

> >

> > For the TMers who follow Amma on this list, I

> wonder, who is the

> > Guru, Maharishi or Ammachi? I peaceably in the

> spirit of

> > understanding, request your feelings about this.

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

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Ammachi, Ellen Lamb <jyotsna2> wrote:

 

> Now I consider Amma as my Guru, but She also told

> me that She and Yogananda are One, and that

> Yogananda led me to Her.

 

Love for Yoganada has lead many people to Amma.

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