Guest guest Posted August 23, 2002 Report Share Posted August 23, 2002 Dear All, As Bala has said, Amma was very, very sad when her longtime attendant left. I was in India in Dec. 99 - Jan. 00, and it was very, very evident. But I think it's important to focus on our own connection with Amma, rather than others'. Was anyone else at the LA retreat this year when a question was asked about this? The question (from someone in a position to know) went like this: "I've noticed that those who leave Amma tend to project their own psychological issues onto Her. I'm wondering how much psychological awareness has to do with spiritual awareness?" Mother did not answer this question with regards to psychological awareness, but said that devotees should be like a horse with blinders on, looking only at the Guru, not at others. I know everyone is curious, but as Mother said in a recent interview (the one on Rediff.com), some days people will call you a god and then later turn around and call you a devil. Even if those who leave Amma say bad things about Her, the truth of our relationship with Her is only in our hearts. I appreciate everyone else's comments, and my comments are only my thoughts and not intended to discredit anyone else's experiences or thoughts. Jai Ma, Jyotsna Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2002 Report Share Posted August 24, 2002 Dear all, So much has been said about the subject but there is no one answer. We all come to Amma with one thing in mind. That is to learn about spirituality. Here the main thought in the back of my mind is that if someone so close to Amma decided to "leave Amma", then we have to know the reason. Why? because to many, she is so close to Amma and literally is already a part of Amma (at least in the physical plane). Maybe that is also the reason why Amma is so "sad" according to some who posted here. Yes we can (just) focus on Amma, but everytime one read the books and the name appears and it strike a cord, and the question pops up in the back of the mind. Why did she had to leave? So was it her (free) will or Amma's Will? To me it looks like her (free) will, but could Amma has prevented it? Yes we all know Amma could but why didn't she? Maybe it is a lesson for all of us? Amma is there for all of us but would not act against our will? Or for her its a special case? But then it may all be Amma's Will. Who knows? On the surface it looks like her decision "to leave" Amma. But then again we knows that nothing happens without Amma's Will and that it may be Amma's Leela. You have to be beside Amma, or to meditate and pray to Amma and all the doubts will vanish like thin air. Amma Bless, Kysdonn Ellen Lamb [jyotsna2] Saturday, August 24, 2002 3:44 AM ammachi More Dear All, As Bala has said, Amma was very, very sad when her longtime attendant left. I was in India in Dec. 99 - Jan. 00, and it was very, very evident. But I think it's important to focus on our own connection with Amma, rather than others'. Was anyone else at the LA retreat this year when a question was asked about this? The question (from someone in a position to know) went like this: "I've noticed that those who leave Amma tend to project their own psychological issues onto Her. I'm wondering how much psychological awareness has to do with spiritual awareness?" Mother did not answer this question with regards to psychological awareness, but said that devotees should be like a horse with blinders on, looking only at the Guru, not at others. I know everyone is curious, but as Mother said in a recent interview (the one on Rediff.com), some days people will call you a god and then later turn around and call you a devil. Even if those who leave Amma say bad things about Her, the truth of our relationship with Her is only in our hearts. I appreciate everyone else's comments, and my comments are only my thoughts and not intended to discredit anyone else's experiences or thoughts. Jai Ma, Jyotsna Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance. Sponsor Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Ammachi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2002 Report Share Posted August 24, 2002 Ammachi, "Donn Koh" <kysdonn@s...> wrote: > Dear all, > > So much has been said about the subject but there is no one > answer. > We all come to Amma with one thing in mind. That is to learn > about > spirituality. Here the main thought in the back of my mind is > that if > someone so close to Amma decided to "leave Amma", then we have > to know the reason. Why? because to many, she is so close to Amma > and literally is already a part of Amma (at least in the physical > plane). > Maybe that is also the reason why Amma is so "sad" according to > some > who posted here. > > Yes we can (just) focus on Amma, but everytime one read the books > and the name appears and it strike a cord, and the question pops > up > in the back of the mind. Why did she had to leave? > > So was it her (free) will or Amma's Will? > > To me it looks like her (free) will, but could Amma has prevented > it? Yes we > all know Amma could but why didn't she? Maybe it is a lesson for > all of us? > Amma is there for all of us but would not act against our will? > Or for her its > a special case? But then it may all be Amma's Will. Who knows? On > the > surface it looks like her decision "to leave" Amma. But then > again we knows > that nothing happens without Amma's Will and that it may be > Amma's Leela. > > You have to be beside Amma, or to meditate and pray to Amma and > all the > doubts will vanish like thin air. > > > > Amma Bless, > > > Kysdonn > > > I believe it was during the Rhode Island retreat that Swamiji spoke a little bit about being close to Amma. Of course, my memory fails me here and someone else may be able to come in and correct my errors. It was during one of his morning classes and Swamiji was saying that sometimes people get an opportunity to work closely with Amma and then, all of a sudden one day they're gone. So people ask, "If this could happen to someone so close to Amma, then what hope is there for me?" Swamiji went on to say, "The answer is, they were never close!" It's an interesting phenomona. What could this mean exactly? What does it really mean to be close to Amma? I think there are lots of illusions and maya around Amma. One must learn to digest them well before one can get really deep meditation. One must digest them and become subtle enough to go, you could say, from individuality to universality. It's easy to get caught up with this. I think it is really a gift from Amma to be able to work physically close to her, it is a real opportunity, but this isn't necessarily enough. I think there are many who are very, very close to Amma who don't get to spend much time around her physically. It is often painful to be in this situation, but this pain can be transformed into a kind of ecstasy...it is a recipe for ecstasy in a way. Anyway, does anyone else recall Swamiji's comments on this subject? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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