Physical Death?

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Hi,

 

May I ask why do one become a devotee of Amma?

I think it is not to avert (physical) death but "to live"

a more spiritual life and Amma is there to give us the

spiritual food that we need.

 

Can death be averted by Amma's Will? Yes, but only

Amma knows who, where, when, why and how. I am

not implying that the two deserve to die, but if you

may allow me to say, we really don't know whether

Amma had willed a better next life for them.

 

True that if something like this were to happen to

one of my family members, I would have asked the

same questions that you have asked. This is the

nature of our mind.

 

However, having said that, it would make us all feel

better if anyone present at the time of accident to

share with the group something Amma has said then.

Maybe words like "They are now with Amma."?

 

Amma Bless

 

Kysdonn

 

 

 

 

 

sprose1 [sprose1]

Sunday, August 25, 2002 4:28 AM

Ammachi

Re: Digest Number 576

 

 

As if I have not started or inflamed things enough, in the interests of

honesty I am going to have to share another worm in the apple of Ammahood.

I

was in Amritapuri in '99 and I was told that two men fell from the roof of

the area which was at that time used for meals. I heard that at least one

died, or perhaps both. I heard that one was cruelly impaled on metal. Not

a

Amma-like scene.

 

They were most likely working without protection, such as ropes or whatever

you are supposed to use. First problem.

 

They were devotees. How is it that Amma did not know that something afoul

was in the midst? Do you think she knew, and chose to do nothing about it?

do you really, really think that? Not even telling them to use safety

equipment that professionals would not work without? I can't picture her

knowing that a cruel death awaited two devotees, at the ashram, and still

she

did not say anything to stop it. She could have if she knew. Did it need to

happen? And what does that say for being lucky enough to be a devotee in

her

ashram, that the Guru doesn't even spare your life? Spare me the inevitable

mystical talk about how much they may have learned on the way down from the

roof to their death: this would be a bit facile. The main issue comes down

to omniscience and the distinction between God and Guru: not an easy issue.

If omniscience is "knowing what needs to be known when it needs to be known"

then you have to explain why the deaths of these men did not come up on the

radar screen: not an easy issue. You then get into big and little Amma,

with the big one knowing, but the little one not always knowing: but can

adults believe this? It is also true that we with finite mind are trying to

understand the infinite: not an easy issue. This may be the best defense,

like every other religion says when tragedy strikes, to wit, we cannot

understand God. But, can we really not ask these questions?? We amy not

know the answers, but can we really not ask the questions? If she didn't

pick up on this, in her own ashram, how do we know she will be there for us

when we need her: are we so important and so different than those two?

 

I realize this topic is not for everyone. One of the reasons I think it is

appropriate to ask it is that Westerners are generally too believing, too

credulous. It is a doubt of mine and I think I am being open in asking it.

There are different levels, so to speak, in our relation to Amma, which can

somehow co-exist, unresolved. We might as well be honest about our doubts.

Avram

 

 

 

Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha!

 

Ammachi