Digest Number 590

[Guest guest]

Dear Rasta Naga,

 

Much love and respect. You've never truly upset or disturbed me because there

is no me, or you. In this illusory world there is only actions and reactions.

"I" am reacting to "you," reacting to "me," reacting to "you," - karma - and

in that sense "we" are paper lions shadow boxing. If "you" are welcome to do

and say what "you" like, then why am "I" not welcome to agree and disagree?

I'm not confused or uninformed, I simply agree and sometimes disagree. Man,

you can dish it, but you can't take it!

 

The static IS personalities, which we should leave behind, because in that

respect, black or white, we are still deluded with Maya - personality is ego

and I will leave mine behind if you will! Wouldn't that be helpful?

 

Now I am only speaking of "I" and "you" as a metaphor to convey the *actual*

sentiment I've tried, in round about ways, relate:

 

I feel acutely aware of "the world" and for a long time I've come to this

list to get respite from "the world." You on the other hand feel like "the

world" belongs here as much as any other topic. We can both be right.

However, if I have things my way, then this list is not a place where you

want to be, and if you have things your way, then this list is not a place

where I want to be. Why MUST we have a conflict? This should be a place where

*we* both want to be.

 

JAH Bless, JAH Guide

 

 

In a message dated 9/7/02 1:50:06 PM EST, Ammachi writes:

 

<< Message: 8

Sat, 07 Sep 2002 05:02:01 -0000

"k0000r" <x00r

Re:Re: Staying On Topic

 

Dear Sisters and Brothers,

 

This will be my last post, since it seems that I was banned from the

list. I would like to respond to Dianadevi.

 

Ammachi, Dianadevi@a... wrote:

> You know what the static is Rastanaga? We all don't

> share and understand

> (innastand) I&I philosophy. We are not all Rastafarian

> and therefore the

> I-logic and Nayabinghi reasongings and contemplations

> aren't totally understood,

 

Dear Dianadevi,

 

The "static", in my view has to do more with personalities,

than with philosophy.

 

I will try to write in such a way, that all can understand.

 

> we all aren't sharing in your dogma.

 

Should I interpret from this that you feel like I am trying

to change your path? This has never been my intention.

I am on record in this list saying that we all need to follow

our own paths. I do not see how you have come to this conclusion

that I am pushing "my dogma"(?). If you mean by that I have

presented a different point of view, then you are correct.

But dont we all here?

 

> Many here don't know where

> you are coming from, and don't share your religious

> discipline (Rastafari

> "reasonings" which is a form of conscientious meditation).

 

I am aware that many do not know were im "coming from". It seems

to me that this also applies to many others in the list. Do I

know where everybody is "coming from", of course not. We are

here exchanging our spiritual experiences. However it seems that

when I express my thoughts you tend to get upset about it.

It is my view that this is a problem inside yourself, and not

in me. Since there is no way I can make you upset from here.

Only you can do that to yourself.

> You are opening

> the door to another view, but also to misunderstanding.

> I lived in a

> Rastafari household with a group of bredren & sistren,

> so I understand

> (overstand). I think it is cool that you're sharing your version of

> spirituality, but with specifics of dogma should be mindful

> and respectful

> that we all have different traditions under Amma here as

> Amma is not a religion,

 

Rastafari is not an organized religion. Like in all faith people

come to Rastafari because of different reasons. Some come because

they hear the call of the shepherd in their hearts. Others,

come because they think is "cool". These last ones do not last,

like in any other faith.

 

> however, Amma is a Hindu Swami so Hinduism is what we all

> understand and can relate to.

 

Amma has said many times that she is much more than a "Hindu Swami".

 

Should I understand that if one goes to Amma, one need to become

a Hindu? My experience of 10 years seeing Amma does not agree with

what you are saying.

 

 

> Rastafari as you know, is very anti the Pope

> and the Roman Catholic Church

 

The Popes and the Catholic Church has made many mistakes

trough history. It has been involved in many scandals.

This is not to say that all Popes were bad or that all

Catholics are evil. We all know this is not true.

 

Now, if you were Black, maybe you would see things different.

Since it is the Black people that has paid the Highest for

the enrichment of the whites not only in this land, but

in other European countries.May I remind you that slaves were

traded with the "pope's" blessings? How long does it took

for the Chatolic Church to act againts child molesters, and for

how long has this been going on? Is not the Chatolic Church one

of the Richest Corporations of the world? Is not money the root

of most evil in this world? This is history, we can not

change that.

 

> what if we had a Catholic devotee here who saw

> Ammachi as the Virgin Mary and went on consistently in that vein?

 

 

The roots of Rastafari are in the Coptic Church. Haile Selassie I,

was a member of the Etiopian Coptic Church. If you care to use

google, you can find many mosaics of the Virgin Mary in Coptic

Churches.

 

It was the Protestant Reformation that largely killed the

cult of Mary.

 

I myself is a devotee of the Virgin Mary, in the form of the

"Virgen de la Guadalupe", and "Virgen Milagrosa".

 

Please do not label me this or that. I, like Ramakrishna, have found

God in may places. From primitive African Caribbean religions like

the "Yoruba Santeria", to the feet of Amma. You are talking to

a man that will be 49 years of age, and that has been studying

and learning about "religions" since I was 16. I have seen

many teachers, I have been in good places, and in not so good

places. I do not claim to know all. I am here to learn, from

you and the others in this list.

 

Please understand that I am coming from the heart, no where

else.

 

Dear sister, I think that you have good intentions but the

wrong information.

 

One Love, One Life.

Rasta Naga >>

[Guest guest]

Group,

I totally agree with Connie. I am starting to automatically detete these

posts, b/c of the

effort required to get to an amma related post.

thanks

Marcia

 

 

 

>Just my thoughts...

>I receive the digest form of this group. So all the posts come in one

>big long email. I'd personally appreciate off-topic posts to be

>brief, and give us perhaps a website that we can go to to read

>the details about it. I do like being informed about the things

>that Rastanaga has posted, but I want to have a little more choice

>about whether I have to read or scroll through the whole big

>long thing or not. That is my preference.

>Blessings,

>Connie