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All this talk about "stabilizing" the experience reminds me of New

Agers talking about "grounding" the energy. Either way, the only

thing close that I've heard Amma refer to is the time delay between

doing sadhana and reaping the fruit of it. I don't think it has to

do with stabilizing, but letting the old fall away, allowing your

life and mind to change with the new center (the fruit).

 

The other only closest thing I can recall is Satya Sai Baba talking

about Jesus, in that (paraphrasing) at first Jesus claimed to be the

Son of God, and only later when the Atma (soul/self) Consciousness

stabilized, did he proclaim "I and my Father are One". I would

think that the true moment of Realization didn't occur until the

latter state.

 

Regarding Ramana's period of "stabilizing" Realization, the

description lends itself to developing the guru tattwa, not really

stabilizing the experience of Realization.

 

tom

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Ammachi, "Tom" <tomgull@m...> wrote:

> All this talk about "stabilizing" the experience reminds me of New

> Agers talking about "grounding" the energy. Either way, the only

> thing close that I've heard Amma refer to is the time delay between

> doing sadhana and reaping the fruit of it. I don't think it has

to

> do with stabilizing, but letting the old fall away, allowing your

> life and mind to change with the new center (the fruit).

>

> The other only closest thing I can recall is Satya Sai Baba talking

> about Jesus, in that (paraphrasing) at first Jesus claimed to be

the

> Son of God, and only later when the Atma (soul/self) Consciousness

> stabilized, did he proclaim "I and my Father are One". I would

> think that the true moment of Realization didn't occur until the

> latter state.

>

> Regarding Ramana's period of "stabilizing" Realization, the

> description lends itself to developing the guru tattwa, not really

> stabilizing the experience of Realization.

>

> tom

 

Tom,

 

If the word "stabilizing" is troubling to you, I agree it may be

inadequate. I think what we mean here is being established in the

Self, not merely having an experience that we can't hold onto.

Perhaps this sounds less new-agey to you. I don't know.

 

Lisa

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Ammachi, "lbrachlin" <lalita120@h...> wrote:

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> Tom,

>

> If the word "stabilizing" is troubling to you, I agree it may be

> inadequate. I think what we mean here is being established in the

> Self, not merely having an experience that we can't hold onto.

> Perhaps this sounds less new-agey to you. I don't know.

>

> Lisa

 

 

The only part I agree and understand "stabilizing" to be is prior

to actual (permanent) Realization. There are stories of where a

guru has blessed a disciple with an experience, and then the real

deal. So far as "stabilizing" occurs, it's really continuing

sadhana until you ripen for permanent realization, which is why

Moksha is sometimes translatd as "final emancipation". Until that

permanent state occurs, parts of the ego remain however subtle they

may be.

 

To distiguish it, I was referring to New Agism's belief that even

after attaining Realization that some additional time needed to pass,

which would be a contradiction. When true/permanent realiation

occurs, either you got it or don't, otherwise what would happen if

you died before it settled?

 

tom

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