Guest guest Posted October 6, 2002 Report Share Posted October 6, 2002 All this talk about "stabilizing" the experience reminds me of New Agers talking about "grounding" the energy. Either way, the only thing close that I've heard Amma refer to is the time delay between doing sadhana and reaping the fruit of it. I don't think it has to do with stabilizing, but letting the old fall away, allowing your life and mind to change with the new center (the fruit). The other only closest thing I can recall is Satya Sai Baba talking about Jesus, in that (paraphrasing) at first Jesus claimed to be the Son of God, and only later when the Atma (soul/self) Consciousness stabilized, did he proclaim "I and my Father are One". I would think that the true moment of Realization didn't occur until the latter state. Regarding Ramana's period of "stabilizing" Realization, the description lends itself to developing the guru tattwa, not really stabilizing the experience of Realization. tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2002 Report Share Posted October 7, 2002 Ammachi, "Tom" <tomgull@m...> wrote: > All this talk about "stabilizing" the experience reminds me of New > Agers talking about "grounding" the energy. Either way, the only > thing close that I've heard Amma refer to is the time delay between > doing sadhana and reaping the fruit of it. I don't think it has to > do with stabilizing, but letting the old fall away, allowing your > life and mind to change with the new center (the fruit). > > The other only closest thing I can recall is Satya Sai Baba talking > about Jesus, in that (paraphrasing) at first Jesus claimed to be the > Son of God, and only later when the Atma (soul/self) Consciousness > stabilized, did he proclaim "I and my Father are One". I would > think that the true moment of Realization didn't occur until the > latter state. > > Regarding Ramana's period of "stabilizing" Realization, the > description lends itself to developing the guru tattwa, not really > stabilizing the experience of Realization. > > tom Tom, If the word "stabilizing" is troubling to you, I agree it may be inadequate. I think what we mean here is being established in the Self, not merely having an experience that we can't hold onto. Perhaps this sounds less new-agey to you. I don't know. Lisa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2002 Report Share Posted October 8, 2002 Ammachi, "lbrachlin" <lalita120@h...> wrote: > > Tom, > > If the word "stabilizing" is troubling to you, I agree it may be > inadequate. I think what we mean here is being established in the > Self, not merely having an experience that we can't hold onto. > Perhaps this sounds less new-agey to you. I don't know. > > Lisa The only part I agree and understand "stabilizing" to be is prior to actual (permanent) Realization. There are stories of where a guru has blessed a disciple with an experience, and then the real deal. So far as "stabilizing" occurs, it's really continuing sadhana until you ripen for permanent realization, which is why Moksha is sometimes translatd as "final emancipation". Until that permanent state occurs, parts of the ego remain however subtle they may be. To distiguish it, I was referring to New Agism's belief that even after attaining Realization that some additional time needed to pass, which would be a contradiction. When true/permanent realiation occurs, either you got it or don't, otherwise what would happen if you died before it settled? tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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