Guest guest Posted October 12, 2002 Report Share Posted October 12, 2002 In a message dated 10/12/02 12:52:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Ammachi writes: > . Therefore Avram, i > think it is unfair for you to say that perhaps some > 'males' would have removed the speech themselves etc . > > Bala, I said that it had been probably removed due to pressure, complaints from males, not BY males. I do not doubt that Amma is behind the removal. My conviction is that it definitely will re-appear in a few days, WITH a lame commentary, written by Amma, that will gloss over the sore points and will focus on the unity points, like mutual respect, cooperation, and inherent equality. She will most definitely NOT respond in a point-by-point manner. She will not retract anything, and will not address the points which men feel degraded by directly. And this will be satisfying to the majority of males, anyway. It is after all only man's insensitivity that makes us criticize her words, that, and innate aggression and violent tendencies, and stagnant energy. Avram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2002 Report Share Posted October 12, 2002 Vakratunda Mahaakaaya Suryakotee Sama Prabha Nirvighnam kuru mey Deva Sarva kaaryeshu Sarvadaa Oh my dear Self Vallath, You are wrong, the humorous story of Religious leaders, for example I've seen quite a few times on the web. And perhaps it's OK to smoke sometimes, but isn't that an improper thing to appear to endorse generally if you are Amma? There are so many souls on so many levels, isn't it better to be discreet, when you are as big as Amma Devi? Some information may trip up and confuse some, but is perfectly fine for others, don't you think it's better to omit such things on the larger scale rather than cause damage? I am secretary to 2 people. With one boss I share internet jokes and off color humor, with the other boss it's completely unacceptable and inappropriate. For example, if I get work dumped on me, I have discriminate between responding "Oh, what a dud, thanks a lot you creep!" or "Yes ma'am, I'll do my best." I like and respect both bosses equally. They are just different, requiring different information for our mutual progress. You could say I'm rude to one, you could say I'm phony to the other. But the truth is not limited to such small perspective - it's bigger. Sorry, one more example. Damage of right information gone wrong: An acquaintance prostituted herself as a teenager (inner city girl). She never recovered from the thought "I am a whore" because she engaged in exchanging sex for money, even though perhaps many people are libertine in this age. All I could see was a clean, smart, nice person. She told me that she was so unhappy because everytime she met a nice guy, she felt obligated to "warn them" about her past, then they'd avoid her. I begged her to keep this information to herself in the future. It was not good or helpful for anyone to know (especially me, a friendly, but passing stranger at a bus shelter)! Now *please forgive me* this dramatic example, but I wanted to paint a picture, as I understand, of how "truth" and "perspective" can get corruptible, thanks to ego, thanks to Maya. Therefore it's necessary to have discrimination, which is not necessarily censorship. Mother bless us so that we may understand You! << Message: 3 Fri, 11 Oct 2002 16:52:55 +0000 "Vallath Nandakumar" <vallathn Re: Digest Number 621 Avram, Censorship goes on all the time in the Ammachi publications. I can give lots of examples. For example, Amma did not want live webcast of Devi Bhava, for fear that it would be misunderstood (I heard this from a member of the webpage staff). In another case, there was a story about my smoking on amritapuri.org, where Amma asked me to sit behind her and smell a rose instead of smoking a cigarette. There was some stuff added at the end about temporary worldly pleasures that Amma had never told me. Also omitted was the fact that Amma explicitly asked me NOT to stop smoking -- she asked me to simply reduce it. Amma told me that she and Janani wrote this web story together. I personally have other such examples. And the Swamis, in small closed gatherings, often share happenings around Amma and advice from her that they do not want published or even discussed outside. Most important (and often unimportant) articles are presented to Amma for her approval. So she probably approved what the web people did with her speech. Also, in her Parliament of World Religions (?) last year or so, there was a humorous story in her Malayalam version that was omitted in the English translation that I give below. I think the whole Women Leaders speech may still be on ammachi.org, by the way. Story: Three leaders from religions that had a history of conflict had a peacemaking meeting. An angel who saw this was so pleased at their efforts that he came down and offered each of them a wish. The leader of religion A said, "Destroy all adherents to religion B." The angel was very disappointed, and turned to leader B. He wanted the angel to destory all adherents of religion A. With growing disappointment, the angel turned to leader C. "I don't want anything for myself," leader C humbly said, heartening the angel for a moment. But then leader C continued, "Just fulfil my two colleagues' wishes." Nandu Vallath Nandakumar >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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