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In a message dated 10/12/02 12:52:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

Ammachi writes:

 

 

> . Therefore Avram, i

> think it is unfair for you to say that perhaps some

> 'males' would have removed the speech themselves etc .

>

>

 

Bala, I said that it had been probably removed due to pressure, complaints

from males, not BY males. I do not doubt that Amma is behind the removal. My

conviction is that it definitely will re-appear in a few days, WITH a lame

commentary, written by Amma, that will gloss over the sore points and will

focus on the unity points, like mutual respect, cooperation, and inherent

equality. She will most definitely NOT respond in a point-by-point manner.

She will not retract anything, and will not address the points which men

feel degraded by directly. And this will be satisfying to the majority of

males, anyway. It is after all only man's insensitivity that makes us

criticize her words, that, and innate aggression and violent tendencies, and

stagnant energy. Avram

 

 

 

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Vakratunda Mahaakaaya Suryakotee Sama Prabha

Nirvighnam kuru mey Deva

Sarva kaaryeshu Sarvadaa

 

Oh my dear Self Vallath,

 

You are wrong, the humorous story of Religious leaders, for example I've seen

quite a few times on the web. And perhaps it's OK to smoke sometimes, but

isn't that an improper thing to appear to endorse generally if you are Amma?

There are so many souls on so many levels, isn't it better to be discreet,

when you are as big as Amma Devi? Some information may trip up and confuse

some, but is perfectly fine for others, don't you think it's better to omit

such things on the larger scale rather than cause damage?

 

I am secretary to 2 people. With one boss I share internet jokes and off

color humor, with the other boss it's completely unacceptable and

inappropriate. For example, if I get work dumped on me, I have discriminate

between responding "Oh, what a dud, thanks a lot you creep!" or "Yes ma'am,

I'll do my best." I like and respect both bosses equally. They are just

different, requiring different information for our mutual progress. You could

say I'm rude to one, you could say I'm phony to the other. But the truth is

not limited to such small perspective - it's bigger.

 

Sorry, one more example. Damage of right information gone wrong:

An acquaintance prostituted herself as a teenager (inner city girl). She

never recovered from the thought "I am a whore" because she engaged in

exchanging sex for money, even though perhaps many people are libertine in

this age. All I could see was a clean, smart, nice person. She told me that

she was so unhappy because everytime she met a nice guy, she felt obligated

to "warn them" about her past, then they'd avoid her. I begged her to keep

this information to herself in the future. It was not good or helpful for

anyone to know (especially me, a friendly, but passing stranger at a bus

shelter)! Now *please forgive me* this dramatic example, but I wanted to

paint a picture, as I understand, of how "truth" and "perspective" can get

corruptible, thanks to ego, thanks to Maya. Therefore it's necessary to have

discrimination, which is not necessarily censorship.

 

Mother bless us so that we may understand You!

 

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Message: 3

Fri, 11 Oct 2002 16:52:55 +0000

"Vallath Nandakumar" <vallathn

Re: Digest Number 621

 

 

Avram,

 

Censorship goes on all the time in the Ammachi publications. I can give

lots of examples. For example, Amma did not want live webcast of Devi

Bhava, for fear that it would be misunderstood (I heard this from

a member of the webpage staff).

 

In another case, there

was a story about my smoking on amritapuri.org, where Amma asked me to

sit behind her and smell a rose instead of smoking a cigarette. There

was some stuff added at the end about temporary worldly pleasures that

Amma had never told me. Also omitted was the fact that Amma explicitly

asked

me NOT to stop smoking -- she asked me to simply reduce it. Amma told me

that she and Janani wrote this web story together.

 

I personally have other such examples.

 

And the Swamis, in small closed gatherings,

often share happenings around Amma and advice from her

that they do not want published or even discussed outside.

 

Most important (and often unimportant) articles are presented to Amma for

her approval. So she probably approved what the web people did with

her speech. Also, in her Parliament of World Religions (?) last year

or so, there was a humorous story in her Malayalam version that was omitted

in

the English translation that I give below.

 

I think the whole Women Leaders speech may still be on ammachi.org, by the

way.

 

Story: Three leaders from religions that had a history of conflict

had a peacemaking meeting. An angel who

saw this was so pleased at their efforts that he came down and

offered each of them a wish. The leader of religion A said, "Destroy

all adherents to religion B." The angel was very disappointed, and

turned to leader B. He wanted the angel to destory all adherents of

religion A. With growing disappointment, the angel turned

to leader C.

 

"I don't want anything for myself," leader C humbly said, heartening

the angel for a moment.

 

But then leader C continued, "Just fulfil my two colleagues' wishes."

 

Nandu

Vallath Nandakumar

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