Guest guest Posted October 13, 2002 Report Share Posted October 13, 2002 Moksha or Liberation According to Indian Philosophical Systems http://www.geocities.com/neovedanta/aci.html This world is called realm of painful suffering - Samsara. 'Samsara' is a Sanskrit word meaning 'repeated passing of souls through different worlds,' which also means going through the cycle of repeated births and deaths. This world is also metaphorically called as 'bhava-sagara' or 'samsara-sagara,' ocean of worldliness. Individual soul cannot cross it without the knowledge of his true nature, that is Divine Self, or without the Grace of the God. The soul swims without any specific direction, gets exhausted, and perishes without crossing to the shore of Infinite Bliss, only to be reborn again and again to repeat the same cycle. Many a verse and parable is written to exemplify the plight of ignorant beings in their unsuccessful attempt to cross this 'ocean of worldliness' by various means. For instance, some think that bliss lies in sense enjoyment, some try to earn name and fame, power and position, still others believe that the goal can be reached through such endeavors as acquiring knowledge of physical sciences and scriptures. However, all such crude or refined acts, in the last analysis, do not release the soul from fateful cycle of birth and death. Then, what is Liberation? How does and by what means does one achieve Freedom? Different schools of Hindu philosophy give different answers to these questions. Although they might appear disparate, one common basis about Liberation in all these schools is that the soul attains to Moksha when it realizes God, thus becoming free from the ignorance about its true nature. What is this ignorance, and what is the real nature of the soul? And how does ignorance veil the mind and intellect of the soul? Various Teachers and founder persons of six schools of thought discuss and elaborate these points in their own peculiar way, and accordingly the definition and means to achieve Freedom also appears different. Liberation according to the Dvaita School of Philosophy Dvaita or dualistic school of Vedanta maintains that the soul gets freedom only after the death. A person cannot become totally Free from the Ignorance while still living in human body. However, the human body is essential for the purification of mind, and thus making the aspirant fit for Liberation. These spiritual disciplines and scriptural injunctions a sadhaka has to undertake or follow are 1) internal and external purity of body, mind, and speech, 2) leading ethical and moral life of austerity, non-violence, non-attachment to senses, 3) total surrender to the Will of God, forbearance, and devotional worship and meditation on the Chosen Deity (like Vishnu, Hari, Sri Krishna). Following such not so easy life pattern the aspirant becomes fit for release or Moksha through the Grace of God. Some Dvaita philosophers maintain that everybody cannot attain to Moksha, only a select few become Free with God's Grace. Further, we find four grades of Moksha: Salokya - soul reaches the world of Ishta Devata and enjoys life there, Samipya - soul enjoys extreme proximity to the Lord, Sarupya - acquires the form of God and enjoys intense Bliss, and Sayujya - soul becomes blissfully one with God. Moksha according to qualified non-dualism (Vishishthadvaita philosophy) This school of thought also does not accept Liberation while still living in the body. A person can be liberated only after the death. The concept of Moksha is more or less similar to Dvaita system. However, no great emphasis is laid on grades. The soul through spiritual disciplines and most importantly by way of total surrender to God and by His Grace reaches Vaikuntha, the world of Vishnu, and blissfully lives forever in a spiritual body in the company of his chosen Ideal. The soul acquires many divine powers, but cannot create, sustain, or dissolve the world as Ishwara or God can do. The individual soul does not become God, but is subservient to His Will. The only path to reach the Lord and attain Moksha is through Bhakti Yoga, and Karma and Jnana are but aid to Bhakti or devotion. Moksha according to Advaita Vedanta (Absolute Monism) The Advaita or non-dualistic school of Vedanta believes that by getting rid of Ignorance or Avidya, which has caused the soul to forget its true nature, leads to Freedom from samsara. Indeed, there exists none other than One Supreme Self after the lower self has gained the knowledge of its true nature. It is the superimposition of the multifarious world on the Self that leads to suffering and transmigration from one birth to the next. Spiritual disciplines by way of four Yogas; Jnana Yoga of discrimination and renunciation in particular, lead to purification of the mind and sharpening of 'reason'. This newly acquired purification makes the sadhaka ready for intense meditation on Impersonal aspect of God (Atman, Brahman) and thus gain 'Atman-Jnana' or 'Brahman-Jnana' on the basis of 'universal intuition' of Oneness. He becomes free from Avidya or Maya or Ignorance, and becomes One with Supreme Self, which is none other than Absolute Existence, Knowledge, and Bliss. Liberation according to Samkhya Philosophy This system posits two absolute realities 1) sentient Purusha, as Self or Spirit, and 2) insentient Prakriti as Matter of which human body and mind are the highly evolved stages. Purusha is Pure Consciousness but due to lack of discrimination (aviveka), It falsely identifies with Prakriti (and its manifestations as this world), and thus experiences joy and happiness, pain and sufferings. Only when the Purusha acquires the knowledge that It is completely different and distinct from Prakriti, It becomes Free (enlightened). The knowledge that leads to Liberation is Viveka Jnana (knowledge through discrimination). When a Jiva (individual self) identifies with Purusha and not with Prakriti (insentient principle - matter in its manifold expressions as names and forms) the individual becomes free. This clear dichotomy between Purusha and Prakriti brings Supreme Knowledge and Bliss to the individual Jiva. Thus, Jnana Yoga and Raja Yoga mostly are the means advocated by Samkhya for Moksha. Such Liberation leads to complete freedom from pain and suffering. This state is called state of Kaivalya. Like Advaita Vedantins, Samkhya also accepts possibility of Liberation while still living in the body (Jivan Mukta; Free while living). After the body falls, it becomes Videhi Mukti (Free after death). Sri Krishna in the Gita defines knowledge as 'the knowledge of Kshetra (Field, Prakriti, Matter) and Kshetrajna (Knower of the field, Purusha, Spirit or Self), which is considered as the true knowledge.' (Gita XIII. 2) That which is perceived as the matter having names and forms, that is called the 'Field' or Kshetra, and one that engulfs, pervades, that which is in and out of the 'Field' and by which ones come to realize the 'Field', is called the 'Knower of the Field' - Kshetrajna. A person (sadhaka or spiritual aspirant) who experiences such distinction between matter and the spirit, the person who has become like a dried coconut in which the inner pulp has separated from the outer shell as two distinct entities, and the person who identities with the outer shell (i.e. spirit) such a person is known to have gained the knowledge. He has become the liberated yogi par excellence. * c s shah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2002 Report Share Posted October 13, 2002 Hello Group, My name is Robin. I was in an Egroup about a year ago. And my life is in such upheaval that I thought Id come back and see if anyone can help. Im totally lost in life right now. Darkness all around me. I pray and pray but find no answers, at least not that Im aware of, or maybe I am and I'm afraid to answer them. I am 28 years old been married for eight and now divorcing. I have two daughters five and four. Im so stressed out about money, and am dating someone for almost three months which I have doubts about. It seems all simple but its all first times for me. I feel so ALONE in life, sometimes I want to give up, the only thing that keeps me going is my girls. I barely have any friends, don't know where to meet anyone, and with my girls its hard to get out. Ive been living with my mother in a one bed room apartment, its so crowded. I sleep on the couch, and there hardly a minute alone. I cry all day everyday. It never seems to leave. Im so scared. I just want to be held. It would be nice to be held by Amma, but if it were to be, then I would have a way to be there. Which I don't. I just want to find my place in this world, something Im meant to do, something Im good at, and I want someone to share it with, who loves, respects me the way I would them. Someone with simalar beliefs, openminded. I feel so alone. Please send me help of some kind. I really am a spiritual person, but have some how lost my way. I see only darkness and lonliness. I know what to do and what not to do. I just do not know how. I have been smoking which I havent done in about ten years. Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2002 Report Share Posted October 13, 2002 Sorry somehow my message was cut off. Please send some help. I need love, light, and most of all ..Hope. Hope for the future, hope for someone special, and hope to be happy again. Someone please bring me back home. With all the love and devotion I have for now, Robin Robin Wilson wrote: Hello Group, My name is Robin. I was in an Egroup about a year ago. And my life is in such upheaval that I thought Id come back and see if anyone can help. Im totally lost in life right now. Darkness all around me. I pray and pray but find no answers, at least not that Im aware of, or maybe I am and I'm afraid to answer them. I am 28 years old been married for eight and now divorcing. I have two daughters five and four. Im so stressed out about money, and am dating someone for almost three months which I have doubts about. It seems all simple but its all first times for me. I feel so ALONE in life, sometimes I want to give up, the only thing that keeps me going is my girls. I barely have any friends, don't know where to meet anyone, and with my girls its hard to get out. Ive been living with my mother in a one bed room apartment, its so crowded. I sleep on the couch, and there hardly a minute alone. I cry all day everyday. It never seems to leave. Im so scared. I just want to be held. It would be nice to be held by Amma, but if it were to be, then I would have a way to be there. Which I don't. I just want to find my place in this world, something Im meant to do, something Im good at, and I want someone to share it with, who loves, respects me the way I would them. Someone with simalar beliefs, openminded. I feel so alone. Please send me help of some kind. I really am a spiritual person, but have some how lost my way. I see only darkness and lonliness. I know what to do and what not to do. I just do not know how. I have been smoking which I havent done in about ten years. Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith. Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Ammachi Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2002 Report Share Posted October 14, 2002 Namah Shivaya dear daughter of Amma, Please send some help. I need love, > light, and most of all ..Hope. Hope for the future, hope for someone special, > and hope to be happy again. Someone please bring me back home. Robin I have put your name on our altar and pray daily over it. Invite others on this list to do the same. Where are you geographically? I remember a period of great darkness after I separated from my first husband. Like you, it was my love for my son that got me through. That was more than 10 years before I met Amma, though I do believe She was caring for us even then. Ask Amma to guide you and I will pray the same for you. Sometimes asking for help can be the hardest. Thanks for turning to this list. Most communities have resources for people who need help. I encourage you to inquire until you find a network of caring people who can support you. Perhaps there is a church community (with childcare) that you would be comfortable with? May Amma's grace bring you comfort and the glimmer of hope you deserve. Sending her love to you, your daughters and your mother. Kenna Aum Amriteshvaryai Namah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2002 Report Share Posted October 14, 2002 I am very honored. I think many are praying for me now and I think I feel the love welling up inside me. Ill need it for the next few weeks so please do not stop. I have had many responses to my letter and they all make me smile. I havent feel this good in months. Today it was like I woke up and I could see the light peaking through. I feel that Amma is with me and giving me the strength I need. Thank you so much for your prayers. Robin I live in St Louis MO Kenna <kenna wrote:Namah Shivaya dear daughter of Amma, Please send some help. I need love, > light, and most of all ..Hope. Hope for the future, hope for someone special, > and hope to be happy again. Someone please bring me back home. Robin I have put your name on our altar and pray daily over it. Invite others on this list to do the same. Where are you geographically? I remember a period of great darkness after I separated from my first husband. Like you, it was my love for my son that got me through. That was more than 10 years before I met Amma, though I do believe She was caring for us even then. Ask Amma to guide you and I will pray the same for you. Sometimes asking for help can be the hardest. Thanks for turning to this list. Most communities have resources for people who need help. I encourage you to inquire until you find a network of caring people who can support you. Perhaps there is a church community (with childcare) that you would be comfortable with? May Amma's grace bring you comfort and the glimmer of hope you deserve. Sending her love to you, your daughters and your mother. Kenna Aum Amriteshvaryai Namah Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Ammachi Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2002 Report Share Posted October 14, 2002 Robin- I know that things may seem dark and hopeless, but please know that Amma is always with you, guiding you and smiling down upon you. I'm sure that there is not one person on this list (or in the entire world for that matter) who has not at some point felt exactly the same as you do now. The only advice that I can give you is to focus on the positive things in your life. You should feel blessed to have two beautiful children and a caring mother to provide a roof over your head. Although things may be bad for you, there are people on the earth who have it much much worse. Please do not take this as insensitivity. . . It's just that when I feel at my worst, it helps to remind myself how lucky I am to have food, clothing, shelter, and a family who cares about me. When I feel especially hopeless I chant my mantra and picture Amma smiling at me. Please know that any feelings you may have are only part of a greater plan to lead you to enlightenment. Without darkness there is no light. Without sadness there is no joy. Above all, please know that you are not alone in your struggle. In the warmth of Amma's loving embrace, Sara On Sunday, October 13, 2002, at 03:18 PM, Robin Wilson wrote: > > Hello Group, > My name is Robin. I was in an Egroup about a year ago. And my life is > in such upheaval that I thought Id come back and see if anyone can > help. Im totally lost in life right now. Darkness all around me. I > pray and pray but find no answers, at least not that Im aware of, or > maybe I am and I'm afraid to answer them. I am 28 years old been > married for eight and now divorcing. I have two daughters five and > four. Im so stressed out about money, and am dating someone for almost > three months which I have doubts about. It seems all simple but its > all first times for me. I feel so ALONE in life, sometimes I want to > give up, the only thing that keeps me going is my girls. I barely have > any friends, don't know where to meet anyone, and with my girls its > hard to get out. Ive been living with my mother in a one bed room > apartment, its so crowded. I sleep on the couch, and there hardly a > minute alone. I cry all day everyday. It never seems to leave. Im so > scared. I just want to be held. It would be nice to be held by Amma, > but if it were to be, then I would have a way to be there. Which I > don't. I just want to find my place in this world, something Im meant > to do, something Im good at, and I want someone to share it with, who > loves, respects me the way I would them. Someone with simalar beliefs, > openminded. I feel so alone. Please send me help of some kind. I > really am a spiritual person, but have some how lost my way. I see > only darkness and lonliness. I know what to do and what not to do. I > just do not know how. I have been smoking which I havent done in about > ten years. > > > > > > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more > faith. > > > > <image.tiff> > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > Ammachi > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2002 Report Share Posted October 18, 2002 aum namah sivayah: ----------she was caring for us even then, hope your the "even then" should not be there, no must not be there ,that made and makes u confused .be in her hands,then leave it to her, without even then, AMMA says to doubt is the main business of mind. we are all her children so she will take care of us be always with AMMA aum namah sivayah: .. Robin Wilson <lilymoonjewel wrote: I am very honored. I think many are praying for me now and I think I feel the love welling up inside me. Ill need it for the next few weeks so please do not stop. I have had many responses to my letter and they all make me smile. I havent feel this good in months. Today it was like I woke up and I could see the light peaking through. I feel that Amma is with me and giving me the strength I need. Thank you so much for your prayers. Robin I live in St Louis MO Kenna <kenna wrote:Namah Shivaya dear daughter of Amma, Please send some help. I need love, > light, and most of all ..Hope. Hope for the future, hope for someone special, > and hope to be happy again. Someone please bring me back home. Robin I have put your name on our altar and pray daily over it. Invite others on this list to do the same. Where are you geographically? I remember a period of great darkness after I separated from my first husband. Like you, it was my love for my son that got me through. That was more than 10 years before I met Amma, though I do believe She was caring for us even then. Ask Amma to guide you and I will pray the same for you. Sometimes asking for help can be the hardest. Thanks for turning to this list. Most communities have resources for people who need help. I encourage you to inquire until you find a network of caring people who can support you. Perhaps there is a church community (with childcare) that you would be comfortable with? May Amma's grace bring you comfort and the glimmer of hope you deserve. Sending her love to you, your daughters and your mother. Kenna Aum Amriteshvaryai Namah Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Ammachi Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith. Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Ammachi Get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2002 Report Share Posted October 18, 2002 Namah Shivaya, > Thank you all for your prayers thank you so much I can't even tell you how I > feel right now hope that means you're feeling better! Please do keep us posted. In Amma's grace, kenna/premarupa Aum Amriteshvaryai Namah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2002 Report Share Posted October 18, 2002 Thank you all for your prayers thank you so much I can't even tell you how I feel right now jayraj puoleri <jayrajpuoleri wrote: aum namah sivayah: ----------she was caring for us even then, hope your the "even then" should not be there, no must not be there ,that made and makes u confused .be in her hands,then leave it to her, without even then, AMMA says to doubt is the main business of mind. we are all her children so she will take care of us be always with AMMA aum namah sivayah: .. Robin Wilson <lilymoonjewel wrote: I am very honored. I think many are praying for me now and I think I feel the love welling up inside me. Ill need it for the next few weeks so please do not stop. I have had many responses to my letter and they all make me smile. I havent feel this good in months. Today it was like I woke up and I could see the light peaking through. I feel that Amma is with me and giving me the strength I need. Thank you so much for your prayers. Robin I live in St Louis MO Kenna <kenna wrote:Namah Shivaya dear daughter of Amma, Please send some help. I need love, > light, and most of all ..Hope. Hope for the future, hope for someone special, > and hope to be happy again. Someone please bring me back home. Robin I have put your name on our altar and pray daily over it. Invite others on this list to do the same. Where are you geographically? I remember a period of great darkness after I separated from my first husband. Like you, it was my love for my son that got me through. That was more than 10 years before I met Amma, though I do believe She was caring for us even then. Ask Amma to guide you and I will pray the same for you. Sometimes asking for help can be the hardest. Thanks for turning to this list. Most communities have resources for people who need help. I encourage you to inquire until you find a network of caring people who can support you. Perhaps there is a church community (with childcare) that you would be comfortable with? May Amma's grace bring you comfort and the glimmer of hope you deserve. Sending her love to you, your daughters and your mother. Kenna Aum Amriteshvaryai Namah Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Ammachi Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith. Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Ammachi Get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs. Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Ammachi Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2002 Report Share Posted October 19, 2002 When I feel the time is right to tell everyone how I am I will do so...Your prayers are helping termidously! And I don't know who it was that told me to write things that I want and don't want down....Thank you ....I think it is working...and the right path is coming back.....In Ammas arms....Robin Kenna <kenna wrote:Namah Shivaya, > Thank you all for your prayers thank you so much I can't even tell you how I > feel right now hope that means you're feeling better! Please do keep us posted. In Amma's grace, kenna/premarupa Aum Amriteshvaryai Namah Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Ammachi Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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